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I've decided to come up with a little competition where we try to pick the future stars of tennis. This one is for WTA, there is also another thread for ATP. Despite the wall of text it's pretty straightforward.
HERE'S HOW IT WORKS (selection process):
* You get two picks per year and you can make these whenever you like in 2019. At the beginning of 2020 (we will go by UKT), you get another two picks (you can make these picks whenever you like during the year), another two for 2021 etc. After a few years you will have hopefully built up quite the stable.
* You can pick any player born 2002 or later with the exception of Coco Gauff since everyone has already predicted her to be the next big thing.
* You can make your two picks at the same time or one at a time.
* If another contestant has already picked a player, no-one else can pick this player.
* You can not change picks.
* You can not save picks to the next year.
* Born 2002 or later will always apply so if there's some late bloomer born in 2002 that is developing in x amount of years from now, you can still choose them at the time regardless of age.
There's no deadline for this, you can join in whenever you like.
BUT HOW DO WE GET POINTS?
Here's how the scoring works. Points will be awarded for ranking success and title success.
Ranking: If your player go on to become a top 20 player, you earn 1 point. If your player becomes a top 10 player, you earn another 1 pt (so 2 pts), if your player becomes top 5 you earn another 1 pt (so 3 pts) and if your player goes on to become world number one you earn another 1 pt (so 4 pts).
Titles: If your player wins a main draw tour title, you earn 1 pt.
If your player reaches a Grand Slam final, you earn 1.5 pts. If your player wins a Grand Slam, you earn another 1 pt (so 2.5 pts). If your player wins three or more Grand Slams, you earn another 1,5 points (so 4 pts).
This means the total number of points won for a pick can be 9 points, 4 from ranking success and 5 from title success. You can not get points for things that have already happened. (So let's say you pick some late bloomer who just won his/her first main tour title, you will not get a point for that, but will get points for whatever achievements your player accomplishes later).
I will try to keep the thread updated with picks and scores so it's easy to know which players have already been picked. First contestant to 15 points wins the competition.
Good luck. You can make pick(s) for 2019 now if you want or you can scout and wait til later. Just do them before the year is over. Make the picks in this thread. If you have questions, just ask here.
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I didn't do anything other than
By edy on 19 Mar 23 16:25
Hey SaMeBe, flag Priska!
Don't blame me if you take that as reason to pick her. When I said
By edy on 21 Mar 23 21:15
I still can't believe that you, wisewords, flagged Priska instead of the supertalented supertalent [Clervie] that is still avaiable.
you wrote
By wisewords on 21 Mar 23 21:17
I don't do flag research, I just do silly picks and stuff
so it's really all on you.
By edy on 19 Mar 23 16:25
Hey SaMeBe, flag Priska!
Don't blame me if you take that as reason to pick her. When I said
By edy on 21 Mar 23 21:15
I still can't believe that you, wisewords, flagged Priska instead of the supertalented supertalent [Clervie] that is still avaiable.
you wrote
By wisewords on 21 Mar 23 21:17
I don't do flag research, I just do silly picks and stuff
so it's really all on you.
I didn't write "I get tricked into making picks and stuff"
I've also been a victim of this, but in reverse.
He kept spamming me about Marcinko, who I think has a bright future now, but at the time I thought he was just trying to trick me into picking some no-hoper so I ignored him and then eventually someone else picked her.
He kept spamming me about Marcinko, who I think has a bright future now, but at the time I thought he was just trying to trick me into picking some no-hoper so I ignored him and then eventually someone else picked her.
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I think you should ratify my swap. it will teach edy a valuable life lesson
edy actually taught you a valuable life lesson. I don't think you will make this mistake again for the next edition of this. Which will start as soon as Mirra has won the first 3 of her 25 Slams.
Will previous picks be re-selectable in the next edition and will they be free for all or will previous owner have initial rights?
Players born after a certain year will be. Free for all, sp no initial rights. So let's say Mirra has won her 2 first Slams and is cruising towards her 3rd it might be in your best interest to hold back on making your pick for this edition and keep that secret for yourself for vol 2. I will also most likely set a date for when vol 2 starts and not do like I did with this one where the first people who saw the thread had an advantage.
can't wait until Clervie wins multiple slams before Mirra does and the sweet taste of victory!
for that to happen you need:
* no-one else to pick her for the rest of 2023
* be the first to pick her in 2024
* to also get 6 pts from Priska Madelyn Nugroho and your other players
* no-one else to pick her for the rest of 2023
* be the first to pick her in 2024
* to also get 6 pts from Priska Madelyn Nugroho and your other players
My assessment is there's at least a 25-30 perecent chance the Prague final doesn't get played tomorrow.
Be ready to make a ruling in that scenario. Would I get half a point for Noskova?
I mean I've got edy breathing down my nech here (and he'd be standing on my head if not for Rus)
Be ready to make a ruling in that scenario. Would I get half a point for Noskova?
I mean I've got edy breathing down my nech here (and he'd be standing on my head if not for Rus)
I absolutely despise cancelled finals, but I can not give a full point when a title hasn't been won.
Gut instinct is you get half a point for Noskova should this happen, and then you get the other half point should she win a title later.
Thanks for bringing this up.
Gut instinct is you get half a point for Noskova should this happen, and then you get the other half point should she win a title later.
Thanks for bringing this up.
Yeah I can see the sense in that.
Oh well we'll see, hopefully the weather gods relent!
Oh well we'll see, hopefully the weather gods relent!
I've now done the same for the WTA picks as I did with the ATP ones.
Team arrong
Clara Tauson 1pt Current ranking 76
Daria Lopatetska Current ranking 717
Team nofx
Polina Kudermetova Current ranking 741
Team edy
Whitney Osuigwe Current ranking 376
Marta Kostyuk 1 pts Current ranking 45
Joelle Lilly Sophie Steur Current ranking 622
Noma Noha Akugue Current ranking 163
Alex Eala Current ranking 190
Qinwen Zheng 2 pts Current ranking 23
Nikola Bartunkova Current ranking 340
Ksenia Efremova Current ranking outside top 1000
Renata Jamrichova Current ranking 646
Julia Stusek Current ranking 753
Team Journeyman
Michaela Laki Current ranking 514
Leylah Fernandez 3.5 pts Current ranking 60
Diane Parry Current ranking 99
Linda Noskova Current ranking 44
Erika Andreeva Current ranking 172
Robin Montgomery Current ranking 159
Victoria Mboko Current ranking 394
Kristina Dmitruk Current ranking 276
Team SamuelMertensBertens
Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt Current ranking 117
Daria Snigur Current ranking 158
Brenda Fruhvirtova Current ranking 135
Katrina Scott Current ranking 309
Olivia Gadecki Current ranking 131
Emma Raducanu 5.5 pts Current ranking 277
Mirra Andreeva Current ranking 62
Lucie Havlickova Current ranking 209
Barbora Palicova Current ranking 281
Team n88
Ane Mintegi del Olmo Current ranking outside top 1000
Sara Bejlek Current ranking 202
Petra Marcinko Current ranking 143
Team wisewords
Victoria Jiménez Kasintseva Current ranking 246
Taylah Preston Current ranking 399
Sofia Costoulas Current ranking 293
Priska Madelyn Nugroho Current ranking 275
Team arrong
Clara Tauson 1pt Current ranking 76
Daria Lopatetska Current ranking 717
Team nofx
Polina Kudermetova Current ranking 741
Team edy
Whitney Osuigwe Current ranking 376
Marta Kostyuk 1 pts Current ranking 45
Joelle Lilly Sophie Steur Current ranking 622
Noma Noha Akugue Current ranking 163
Alex Eala Current ranking 190
Qinwen Zheng 2 pts Current ranking 23
Nikola Bartunkova Current ranking 340
Ksenia Efremova Current ranking outside top 1000
Renata Jamrichova Current ranking 646
Julia Stusek Current ranking 753
Team Journeyman
Michaela Laki Current ranking 514
Leylah Fernandez 3.5 pts Current ranking 60
Diane Parry Current ranking 99
Linda Noskova Current ranking 44
Erika Andreeva Current ranking 172
Robin Montgomery Current ranking 159
Victoria Mboko Current ranking 394
Kristina Dmitruk Current ranking 276
Team SamuelMertensBertens
Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt Current ranking 117
Daria Snigur Current ranking 158
Brenda Fruhvirtova Current ranking 135
Katrina Scott Current ranking 309
Olivia Gadecki Current ranking 131
Emma Raducanu 5.5 pts Current ranking 277
Mirra Andreeva Current ranking 62
Lucie Havlickova Current ranking 209
Barbora Palicova Current ranking 281
Team n88
Ane Mintegi del Olmo Current ranking outside top 1000
Sara Bejlek Current ranking 202
Petra Marcinko Current ranking 143
Team wisewords
Victoria Jiménez Kasintseva Current ranking 246
Taylah Preston Current ranking 399
Sofia Costoulas Current ranking 293
Priska Madelyn Nugroho Current ranking 275
I've already got my hipster 2024 picks ready for New Year!
On a sidenote I hope that all the shennanigans with the Mastermind hasn't affected Efremova/Laki's development.
On a sidenote I hope that all the shennanigans with the Mastermind hasn't affected Efremova/Laki's development.
^
I mean all the media noise about the Halep thing which must be distracting to players that go to the academy.
I doubt he's done anything wrong. But the social media storm can't be helpful to the development of young players.
I mean all the media noise about the Halep thing which must be distracting to players that go to the academy.
I doubt he's done anything wrong. But the social media storm can't be helpful to the development of young players.
Good pick (I'm not going to moan about 250 qualies).
Wisewords can now relax a bit
Wisewords can now relax a bit
From the above list, players outside the top 300 that I think break the top 100 in 2024.
T.Preston (Currently 317, impressive and needs to capitalise when things move down under)
N.Bartunkova (Currently 333, yup this is nailed on)
V.Mboko (Currently 389, the Canadian Serena williams if she can avoid injury)
R.Jamrichova (Currently 651, tentative based on her plans for the year but super talent)
Emma is a jawdropping 279 so will shortly be outside the top 300 but is obviously a top 100 quality player.
T.Preston (Currently 317, impressive and needs to capitalise when things move down under)
N.Bartunkova (Currently 333, yup this is nailed on)
V.Mboko (Currently 389, the Canadian Serena williams if she can avoid injury)
R.Jamrichova (Currently 651, tentative based on her plans for the year but super talent)
Emma is a jawdropping 279 so will shortly be outside the top 300 but is obviously a top 100 quality player.
Jul 17, 2021 -- 12:36PM, n88uk wrote:
Ane Mintegi del Olmo
Won her first professional title today. None that will give any points for this competition, it was the W25 in Heraklion, but hopefully a first step of things to come after so many struggles with injuries during the past years.
I would have been so mad if you had gotten either of Klugmann or Samsonova in before me even though I used an internet atomic clock.
Ristic beat Samsonova 6-0 6-0 in Prerov. otherwise I would ahve gone for laura!
You should have just posted 'L.Samsonova' and confused everyone who would have thought it was the less talented one
Jan 1, 2024 -- 12:03AM, Journeyman wrote:
You should have just posted 'L.Samsonova' and confused everyone who would have thought it was the less talented one
Laura S would have been even better.
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Laura Samsonova decided she doesn't want to be confused with the other Samsonova, and take advantage of Czech laws from a few years ago that enables women to scratch the ova, so she now goes by Laura Samson
https://www.itftennis.com/en/players/laura-samson/800578274/cze/jt/s/overview/
'Tis my flag from January 1 this year to avoid any confusion.
https://www.itftennis.com/en/players/laura-samson/800578274/cze/jt/s/overview/
'Tis my flag from January 1 this year to avoid any confusion.
A relatively flag heavy last 12 in Melbourne.
Both Edy and I could potentially end the week sitting in first place!
Edy's best result (a Kostyuk Queenwen final) is a guaranteed 4 points even before rankings enter the discussion.
I do need Noskova to produce the goods now. She just fell short in Adelaide 2023 and she absolutely mugged me in Prague. All would be forgiven if she can win the tournament which would guarantee me 3.5 points and top of the tree.
Both Edy and I could potentially end the week sitting in first place!
Edy's best result (a Kostyuk Queenwen final) is a guaranteed 4 points even before rankings enter the discussion.
I do need Noskova to produce the goods now. She just fell short in Adelaide 2023 and she absolutely mugged me in Prague. All would be forgiven if she can win the tournament which would guarantee me 3.5 points and top of the tree.
Queenwen into the top 10 so edy already in second place and two matches from outright 1st place.
Kostyuk should really have won in straight sets, maybe if she hadn't created bedlam in her press conference and on social media the day before? She's clearly got the physical tools to win a slam but a bit of discipline and management needed to take that next step.
As for Linda N, great tournament and announced herself with the Iga win but really didn't get a look in against Dayana. Hey edy you want to swap her for Renata, Bartunkova and a large tin of Celebrations?
Kostyuk should really have won in straight sets, maybe if she hadn't created bedlam in her press conference and on social media the day before? She's clearly got the physical tools to win a slam but a bit of discipline and management needed to take that next step.
As for Linda N, great tournament and announced herself with the Iga win but really didn't get a look in against Dayana. Hey edy you want to swap her for Renata, Bartunkova and a large tin of Celebrations?
No, I am not trading two very promising players and a large tin of Celebrations for Noskova. I am officially over her. Told you I am not impressed with subpar movers and I have seen Noskova move.
Jamrichova stormed through the Australian Open draw and won the title. Points please. 
Some nice results for the flags at the Aussie Open, but Zheng the only one scoring points.
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 6,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) edy 5.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 6,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) edy 5.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 7,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) edy 5.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
With this point I will win even if Mirra flops and only wins 2 Slams and makes world no 1 in reasonable time.
1) SamuelMertensBertens 7,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) edy 5.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
With this point I will win even if Mirra flops and only wins 2 Slams and makes world no 1 in reasonable time.
Obviously it's within your original rules to do something like this but the contestants over the last four years have clearly been making picks based on skill and judgement. Picking an player already established on the tour on the basis that she is in a bleep bleep bleep WTA final is nothing to do with skill and judgement. It's some kind of fastest-finger-first thing. You nearly did this with Timofeeva last year but held back, possibly sensing there might be a reaction.
Rather than go on about it I'll just run a parallel alternative table, still first to 15, of players picked on the basis of predicting what they could achieve (rather than fastest-fingers-first when they get to a final etc).
Alternative table (Skill and judgement based picks only).
1) SamuelMertensBertens 6,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) edy 5.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
Rather than go on about it I'll just run a parallel alternative table, still first to 15, of players picked on the basis of predicting what they could achieve (rather than fastest-fingers-first when they get to a final etc).
Alternative table (Skill and judgement based picks only).
1) SamuelMertensBertens 6,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) edy 5.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
Does SaMeBe get two more picks for that alternate table then this year? Sounds complicated.
I think it's perfectly fine. If he ends up beating us, which he won't, we'll just put a mahoosive asterisk next to his victory.
I think it's perfectly fine. If he ends up beating us, which he won't, we'll just put a mahoosive asterisk next to his victory.
Feb 4, 2024 -- 6:56PM, edy wrote:
Does SaMeBe get two more picks for that alternate table then this year? Sounds complicated.I think it's perfectly fine. If he ends up beating us, which he won't, we'll just put a mahoosive asterisk next to his victory.
You can asterisk all you want, a win is a win!
Me not going with Timofeeva had nothing to do with reactions, but I felt that Timofeeva had a high ceiling of 1 pt and was not worth to waste a pick on at the time (this might prove wrong, because she did well in Melbourne) whereas I think Diana could potentially gain more than that. Plus 1 pt can be important at this stage of the game. This competition is about getting to 15 pts. Which strategy to use to get there is up to each contestant.
this was posted elsewhere:
edy • February 11, 2024 2:34 PM GMT
Comp 2 needs to have a mechanism that lets you protect a number of existing flags.
SamuelMertensBertens • February 11, 2024 4:09 PM GMT
I have actually thought about this. There is a possiblity that there will be something like this, but no decision yet. If so it's likely to be very limited, details will be presented at some point, but for now all the information I can give is there MAY be some sort of (likely very limited) flag protection for future comps so this can be taken into account when placing picks for this current one.
edy • February 11, 2024 2:34 PM GMT
Comp 2 needs to have a mechanism that lets you protect a number of existing flags.
SamuelMertensBertens • February 11, 2024 4:09 PM GMT
I have actually thought about this. There is a possiblity that there will be something like this, but no decision yet. If so it's likely to be very limited, details will be presented at some point, but for now all the information I can give is there MAY be some sort of (likely very limited) flag protection for future comps so this can be taken into account when placing picks for this current one.
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 7,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) edy 6.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
updated due to Marta Kostyuk making Top 20.
1) SamuelMertensBertens 7,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) edy 6.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
updated due to Marta Kostyuk making Top 20.
Jan 4, 2024 -- 11:55PM, edy wrote:
Laura Samsonova decided she doesn't want to be confused with the other Samsonova, and take advantage of Czech laws from a few years ago that enables women to scratch the ova, so she now goes by Laura Samsonhttps://www.itftennis.com/en/players/laura-samson/800578274/cze/jt/s/o... my flag from January 1 this year to avoid any confusion.
This is quite funny. The Czechs add ova to foreign players and now one of their own got rid of its ova.
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 8,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning WTA title, Mirra Andreeva 1 pt for winning her first title)
2) edy 6.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
1) SamuelMertensBertens 8,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning WTA title, Mirra Andreeva 1 pt for winning her first title)
2) edy 6.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 9,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Mirra Andreeva 1 pt for winning her first title)
2) edy 6.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 0 points for winning Olympic gold)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
1) SamuelMertensBertens 9,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Mirra Andreeva 1 pt for winning her first title)
2) edy 6.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 0 points for winning Olympic gold)
3) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
Linda N wins Monterrey so when she moves into the top 20 I'll be on 5.5, one behind edy and two behind Caramba's real total.
Just noting this as we're all about to be somewhat distracted by the US Open.
Just noting this as we're all about to be somewhat distracted by the US Open.
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 9,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning her first title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, Mirra Andreeva 1 pt for winning her first title)
2) edy 6.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 0 points for winning Olympic gold)
3) Journeyman 4,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20, Linda Noskova 1 pt for winning her first title)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning her first title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
1) SamuelMertensBertens 9,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning her first title, Diana Shnaider 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, Mirra Andreeva 1 pt for winning her first title)
2) edy 6.5 pts (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20, Qinwen Zheng 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 0 points for winning Olympic gold)
3) Journeyman 4,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20, Linda Noskova 1 pt for winning her first title)
4) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning her first title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
I heard if your pick wins the Olympic gold medal in singles you automatically win the competition!
Priska Nugroho playing WTA main tour, main draw tennis today!
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 10,5 pts
Emma Raducanu 5.5 points: 2.5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10.
Linda Fruhvirtova 1 point for winning her first title.
Diana Shnaider 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
Mirra Andreeva 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
2) edy 6.5 pts
Marta Kostyuk 2 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20,
Qinwen Zheng 4.5 points: 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 0 points for winning Olympic gold.
3) Journeyman 4,5 pts
Leylah Fernandez 3.5 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20.
Linda Noskova 1 point for winning her first title.
4) arrong 1 pt
Clara Tauson 1 point for winning her first title.
5) everybody else 0 pts.
1) SamuelMertensBertens 10,5 pts
Emma Raducanu 5.5 points: 2.5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10.
Linda Fruhvirtova 1 point for winning her first title.
Diana Shnaider 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
Mirra Andreeva 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
2) edy 6.5 pts
Marta Kostyuk 2 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20,
Qinwen Zheng 4.5 points: 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 0 points for winning Olympic gold.
3) Journeyman 4,5 pts
Leylah Fernandez 3.5 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20.
Linda Noskova 1 point for winning her first title.
4) arrong 1 pt
Clara Tauson 1 point for winning her first title.
5) everybody else 0 pts.
I've listed the current ranking and flag comp points of all players (in parenthesis ranking from a year ago).
Team arrong
Clara Tauson 1pt Current ranking 62 (76)
Daria Lopatetska Current ranking outside top 1000 (717)
Team nofx
Polina Kudermetova Current ranking 126 (741)
Team edy
Whitney Osuigwe Current ranking 376 (376)
Marta Kostyuk 2 pts Current ranking 17 (45)
Joelle Lilly Sophie Steur Current ranking 702 (622)
Noma Noha Akugue Current ranking 209 (163)
Alex Eala Current ranking 148 (190)
Qinwen Zheng 4.5 pts Current ranking 7 (23)
Nikola Bartunkova Current ranking 397 (340)
Ksenia Efremova Current ranking 868 (outside top 1000)
Renata Jamrichova Current ranking 468 (646)
Julia Stusek Current ranking outside top 1000 (753)
Hannah Klugman Current ranking 515 (not flagged a year ago)
Laura Samsonova Current ranking 370 (not flagged a year ago)
Team Journeyman
Michaela Laki Current ranking 553 (514)
Leylah Fernandez 3.5 pts Current ranking 28 (60)
Diane Parry Current ranking 50 (99)
Linda Noskova 1 pt Current ranking 25 (44)
Erika Andreeva Current ranking 70 (172)
Robin Montgomery Current ranking 107 (159)
Victoria Mboko Current ranking 319 (394)
Kristina Dmitruk Current ranking 437 (276)
Marina Stakušić Current ranking 149 (not flagged a year ago)
Mia Ristić Current ranking 412 (not flagged a year ago)
Team SamuelMertensBertens
Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt Current ranking 181 (117)
Daria Snigur Current ranking 123 (158)
Brenda Fruhvirtova Current ranking 122 (135)
Katrina Scott Current ranking 292 (309)
Olivia Gadecki Current ranking 83 (131)
Emma Raducanu 5.5 pts Current ranking 57 (277)
Mirra Andreeva 2 pts Current ranking 19 (62)
Lucie Havlickova Current ranking 582 (209)
Barbora Palicova Current ranking 222 (281)
Alina Korneeva Current ranking 227 (not flagged a year ago)
Diana Shnaider 2 pts Current ranking 16 (not flagged a year ago)
Iva Jovic Current ranking 216 (not flagged a year ago)
Team n88
Ane Mintegi del Olmo Current ranking 544 (outside top 1000)
Sara Bejlek Current ranking 125 (202)
Petra Marcinko Current ranking 303 (143)
Team wisewords
Victoria Jiménez Kasintseva Current ranking 152 (246)
Taylah Preston Current ranking 156 (399)
Sofia Costoulas Current ranking 286 (293)
Priska Madelyn Nugroho Current ranking 562 (275)
Clervie Ngounoue Current ranking 255 (not flagged a year ago)
Team arrong
Clara Tauson 1pt Current ranking 62 (76)
Daria Lopatetska Current ranking outside top 1000 (717)
Team nofx
Polina Kudermetova Current ranking 126 (741)
Team edy
Whitney Osuigwe Current ranking 376 (376)
Marta Kostyuk 2 pts Current ranking 17 (45)
Joelle Lilly Sophie Steur Current ranking 702 (622)
Noma Noha Akugue Current ranking 209 (163)
Alex Eala Current ranking 148 (190)
Qinwen Zheng 4.5 pts Current ranking 7 (23)
Nikola Bartunkova Current ranking 397 (340)
Ksenia Efremova Current ranking 868 (outside top 1000)
Renata Jamrichova Current ranking 468 (646)
Julia Stusek Current ranking outside top 1000 (753)
Hannah Klugman Current ranking 515 (not flagged a year ago)
Laura Samsonova Current ranking 370 (not flagged a year ago)
Team Journeyman
Michaela Laki Current ranking 553 (514)
Leylah Fernandez 3.5 pts Current ranking 28 (60)
Diane Parry Current ranking 50 (99)
Linda Noskova 1 pt Current ranking 25 (44)
Erika Andreeva Current ranking 70 (172)
Robin Montgomery Current ranking 107 (159)
Victoria Mboko Current ranking 319 (394)
Kristina Dmitruk Current ranking 437 (276)
Marina Stakušić Current ranking 149 (not flagged a year ago)
Mia Ristić Current ranking 412 (not flagged a year ago)
Team SamuelMertensBertens
Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt Current ranking 181 (117)
Daria Snigur Current ranking 123 (158)
Brenda Fruhvirtova Current ranking 122 (135)
Katrina Scott Current ranking 292 (309)
Olivia Gadecki Current ranking 83 (131)
Emma Raducanu 5.5 pts Current ranking 57 (277)
Mirra Andreeva 2 pts Current ranking 19 (62)
Lucie Havlickova Current ranking 582 (209)
Barbora Palicova Current ranking 222 (281)
Alina Korneeva Current ranking 227 (not flagged a year ago)
Diana Shnaider 2 pts Current ranking 16 (not flagged a year ago)
Iva Jovic Current ranking 216 (not flagged a year ago)
Team n88
Ane Mintegi del Olmo Current ranking 544 (outside top 1000)
Sara Bejlek Current ranking 125 (202)
Petra Marcinko Current ranking 303 (143)
Team wisewords
Victoria Jiménez Kasintseva Current ranking 152 (246)
Taylah Preston Current ranking 156 (399)
Sofia Costoulas Current ranking 286 (293)
Priska Madelyn Nugroho Current ranking 562 (275)
Clervie Ngounoue Current ranking 255 (not flagged a year ago)
Points for edy, assuming Zheng doesn't get defaulted tomorrow.
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 10.5 pts
Emma Raducanu 5.5 points: 2.5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10.
Linda Fruhvirtova 1 point for winning her first title.
Diana Shnaider 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
Mirra Andreeva 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
2) edy 7.5 pts
Marta Kostyuk 2 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20,
Qinwen Zheng 5.5 points: 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 5.
3) Journeyman 4,5 pts
Leylah Fernandez 3.5 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20.
Linda Noskova 1 point for winning her first title.
4) arrong 1 pt
Clara Tauson 1 point for winning her first title.
5) everybody else 0 pts.
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 10.5 pts
Emma Raducanu 5.5 points: 2.5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10.
Linda Fruhvirtova 1 point for winning her first title.
Diana Shnaider 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
Mirra Andreeva 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
2) edy 7.5 pts
Marta Kostyuk 2 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20,
Qinwen Zheng 5.5 points: 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 5.
3) Journeyman 4,5 pts
Leylah Fernandez 3.5 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20.
Linda Noskova 1 point for winning her first title.
4) arrong 1 pt
Clara Tauson 1 point for winning her first title.
5) everybody else 0 pts.
Maybe, but 2025 will be the year of Jamrichova breaks through.
Yes.
I would also like to leave a complaint that the entire competition is rigged against me by not awarding points for the WTA Finals.
I would also like to leave a complaint that the entire competition is rigged against me by not awarding points for the WTA Finals.
You should be happy that points from WTA Who Is Less Burned Out? is awarded for ranking purposes.
Is it too late to submit my official complaint about the competition being completely and thoroughly and despicably rigged against me by not awarding points for olympic singles gold medals?
yeah, just like it's too late for me to complain about there not being any consolation points for players choking in finals and semifinals (Korneeva, Gadecki, Medjedovic)
But at least the Olympic points oversight will most likely be adjusted for flag comp #2
But at least the Olympic points oversight will most likely be adjusted for flag comp #2
C'mon, it's not even been half a year.
You better hope CAS doesn't feel responsible for overseeing this competition after I file my complaint with them.
You better hope CAS doesn't feel responsible for overseeing this competition after I file my complaint with them.
Having rechecked my dodgy maths this competition could be over in a matter of weeks! 
Diana Schneider, the already well fancied and tour established player that you picked two hours before she played her first WTA final (while the rest of the field were picking hipsters and juniors) is just outside the top ten. Having won four WTA events in 2024 she's being touted as a contender to be a breakthrough semi finalist or better at the Australian Open.
If she reached the final it would give you 1.5 points for slam finalist, 1 point for top ten. If she actually won she gets another point for the win and that would take her into or just outside the top 5, total 4.5 points taking her tally to 6.5. That gets you to 15.
Flag comp 2 could be underway before the snow melts.
Diana Schneider, the already well fancied and tour established player that you picked two hours before she played her first WTA final (while the rest of the field were picking hipsters and juniors) is just outside the top ten. Having won four WTA events in 2024 she's being touted as a contender to be a breakthrough semi finalist or better at the Australian Open.
If she reached the final it would give you 1.5 points for slam finalist, 1 point for top ten. If she actually won she gets another point for the win and that would take her into or just outside the top 5, total 4.5 points taking her tally to 6.5. That gets you to 15.
Flag comp 2 could be underway before the snow melts.
This is why I've been making preparations for flag comp 2 so this can be up and running fairly soon after flag comp 1 is done :) Mirra and/or Diana would do something big anyday. But they could also stall for a few years and give you and edy a chance to catch up.
I am quite busy over the next months so I don't know when I will post the rules for flag comp 2, there will be some small changes, but the basic concept is the one. And should I see that flag comp 1 is nearing the end, I will hurry up ad get it posted. The big one I wanted to get out there was the picks protection so you can make your picks accordingly with this in mind.
None of the small changes should make any difference to your choices anyway, unless you want to pick a Chinese player because Olympic medals will likely gain points in the future with the thinking that millions of young Chinese players will be motivated to win Olympic gold just like Qinwen Zheng.
I am quite busy over the next months so I don't know when I will post the rules for flag comp 2, there will be some small changes, but the basic concept is the one. And should I see that flag comp 1 is nearing the end, I will hurry up ad get it posted. The big one I wanted to get out there was the picks protection so you can make your picks accordingly with this in mind.
None of the small changes should make any difference to your choices anyway, unless you want to pick a Chinese player because Olympic medals will likely gain points in the future with the thinking that millions of young Chinese players will be motivated to win Olympic gold just like Qinwen Zheng.
If Victorian lawmakers found out about this thread, they'd put me behind bars.
very good pick. she's been doing so well in Abu Dhabi qualies and now main draw after winning AO juniors. plays Ons today which should be really insightful
well if no-one else is gonna flag her, I might as well.
Ashlyn Krueger.
Ashlyn Krueger.
I flag Mia Pohánková. hopefully she'll eventually lead me to glory
While the more famous flags have done very well in Dubai this week, one lesser known one has been tearing it up on the ITF circuit lately.
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Yet another straight sets win for
Victoria Mboko (18). She defeated Jia-Jing Lu 6-4, 6-1 at the W35k Manchester to reach her 4th ITF final in a row.
Mboko in 2025:
3 ITF
4 ITF Finals
21 Matches (1 was RET)
21 Wins
40 Sets played
40 Sets won
Only 2 tie breaks
9 Bagels
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Yet another straight sets win for
Victoria Mboko (18). She defeated Jia-Jing Lu 6-4, 6-1 at the W35k Manchester to reach her 4th ITF final in a row.
Mboko in 2025:
3 ITF
4 ITF Finals
21 Matches (1 was RET)
21 Wins
40 Sets played
40 Sets won
Only 2 tie breaks
9 Bagels
there will be points tomorrow, either Clara for making top 20 or Mirra for making top 10. Both will likely eventually happen regardless.
STANDINGS:
1) SamuelMertensBertens 11.5 pts
Emma Raducanu 5.5 points: 2.5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10.
Linda Fruhvirtova 1 point for winning her first title.
Diana Shnaider 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
Mirra Andreeva 3 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20. 1 pt for making top 10
2) edy 7.5 pts
Marta Kostyuk 2 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20,
Qinwen Zheng 5.5 points: 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 5.
3) Journeyman 4,5 pts
Leylah Fernandez 3.5 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20.
Linda Noskova 1 point for winning her first title.
4) arrong 1 pt
Clara Tauson 1 point for winning her first title.
5) everybody else 0 pts.
1) SamuelMertensBertens 11.5 pts
Emma Raducanu 5.5 points: 2.5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10.
Linda Fruhvirtova 1 point for winning her first title.
Diana Shnaider 2 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20.
Mirra Andreeva 3 points: 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20. 1 pt for making top 10
2) edy 7.5 pts
Marta Kostyuk 2 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1 pt for making top 20,
Qinwen Zheng 5.5 points: 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 10, 1.5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 5.
3) Journeyman 4,5 pts
Leylah Fernandez 3.5 points: 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20.
Linda Noskova 1 point for winning her first title.
4) arrong 1 pt
Clara Tauson 1 point for winning her first title.
5) everybody else 0 pts.
I should have watched her at least once before I flagged her.
Valentova? This Valentova?
Journeyman • June 27, 2024 7:34 PM BST
I'm pleased to see that Kristina Dmitruk (once a shoe in for the JM Five until she vanished off the face of the earth for half a year) has resurfaced and has made it to a QF clash in a W75 with the fixed ceiling Hipster queen that edy keeps trying to sell, Tery Valentova.
Journeyman • June 27, 2024 7:34 PM BST
I'm pleased to see that Kristina Dmitruk (once a shoe in for the JM Five until she vanished off the face of the earth for half a year) has resurfaced and has made it to a QF clash in a W75 with the fixed ceiling Hipster queen that edy keeps trying to sell, Tery Valentova.
She has grown on me. It was the USO final against Hui that had put me off. I thought she seemed a bit predictable and inflexible. Also she started to look worryingly like when she hit the main tour she'd be an 'always injured' risk. She seems to have more intensity now and she's got the experience of playing with Noskova against main tour players in BJK (where she'll probably be a main staple).
She's not as potentially exciting as Laura but you'd picked Laura. I'm revising her from fixed ceiling Hipster queen to slightly higher fixed ceiling reliable grafter.
She's not as potentially exciting as Laura but you'd picked Laura. I'm revising her from fixed ceiling Hipster queen to slightly higher fixed ceiling reliable grafter.
Jun 4, 2025 -- 3:47PM, Journeyman wrote:
Caramba don't even think about picking Boisson.
I'm out of picks.
I said earlier this week in the main thread, that it was collective poor scouting to have Lois Boisson unflagged.
Mirra's loss today keeps her out of the top 5 for a little longer. Still has a good chance to get there later in the summer with Jasmine defending Wimbledon final and Jess defending lots in North America.
Just remember that Edy gets a 2.5 point boost on Sunday 29th June when Olivia Rodrigo plays the pyramid stage.
Kostyuk then doing something at Wimbledon could ruin your plans.
Kostyuk then doing something at Wimbledon could ruin your plans.
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