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By:
winningthought
When: 13 Jul 16 19:58
nope. GSM PHM
By:
SabineIsGOAT
When: 13 Jul 16 19:59
what a loser mugro
By:
tof
When: 13 Jul 16 19:59
that morillo on mp 'nuff for mug to commit sewage pipes
By:
winningthought
When: 13 Jul 16 20:01
muggy players mugging me of my profits today Sad
By:
doridoru
When: 13 Jul 16 20:06
Theresa May appoints Boris Johnson foreign secretary and Philip Hammond chancellor after becoming UK prime minister, succeeding David Cameron.

LaughLaugh
By:
doridoru
When: 13 Jul 16 20:12
Superb line up she is putting together...excellent.
By:
wisewords
When: 13 Jul 16 20:13
how low Mugro?
By:
doridoru
When: 13 Jul 16 20:14
David Davis, the quiet Farage, campaigned to leave eu for 25 years..BREXIT REALLY IS COMING...YAYYYY!!!
By:
SabineIsGOAT
When: 13 Jul 16 20:15

Jul 13, 2016 -- 8:13PM, wisewords wrote:


how low Mugro?


1.04 I think

By:
winningthought
When: 13 Jul 16 20:16
Yes doridoru. Baring a major conflict in mainland Europe, Article 50 will be triggered. Its just a case of when.
By:
doridoru
When: 13 Jul 16 20:18
David Davis from Feb...

The EU has been in decline for some time now.  There is no change of course in sight.  The risks involved in staying are clear for all to see – low growth, high unemployment, and waning influence.

In 1975 the EU was the bright future, a vision of a better world.  Now it is a crumbling relic from a gloomy past.  We must raise our eyes to the wider world.

The UK has been a persistent advocate of reforming and modernising the EU.

Even a decade ago there was hope of radical reform, as the EU expanded from 15 nations to 28.  Some thought the new members, only recently independent themselves, would shift the EU away from its centralising, statist destination, and towards a more democratic, more trade-focussed direction.
By:
aaronh
When: 13 Jul 16 20:19

Jul 13, 2016 -- 8:14PM, doridoru wrote:


David Davis, the quiet Farage, campaigned to leave eu for 25 years..BREXIT REALLY IS COMING...YAYYYY!!!


god, they lost a referendum in 1975 why didn't he just get over it

Silly

By:
wisewords
When: 13 Jul 16 20:21
Ula Love
By:
doridoru
When: 13 Jul 16 20:21
The Euro has become a destroyer of jobs. Unemployment across the continent is running at almost 10 per cent, with youth unemployment double that at 20 per cent.  For individual countries, these figures are even worse.

Greece and Spain are suffering from youth unemployment rates of nearly 50 per cent, and Italy almost 40 per cent.  Unemployment is destroying the prospects of a whole generation of young Europeans.

The Euro is an experiment that has failed.  In its short life it is already responsible for sovereign debt crises in several European countries, high unemployment, and dramatic trade imbalances across the Eurozone.

But then the European project has been a litany of failures.  From economic catastrophe, the collapsing single currency experiment, a poor record on increasing trade, the damage done by merging home affairs, to the undoubted foreign policy failures.

Then there is the Schengen Zone.  The passport-less travel area once held up as the pinnacle of European integration is crumbling before our very eyes.  The migration crisis that has brought more than a million refugees to Europe’s shores, with many more expected to come, is a stake in the heart of a borderless Europe.

The strength of any policy can only be judged by how it copes with crisis.  Schengen, just like the Euro, is failing under the pressure.
By:
tof
When: 13 Jul 16 20:21
Will not be triggered , I don't think , a general election should be called firstly ,but irrespectively , a complete new government is now ruling and not the one that stated it will leave Europe .By David Cameron resigning and not invoking the article he has left Theresa or anyone else with a bit of savvy , the perfect reason not to Brexit .
By:
doridoru
When: 13 Jul 16 20:23

Jul 13, 2016 -- 8:21PM, tof wrote:


Will not be triggered , I don't think , a general election should be called firstly ,but irrespectively , a complete new government is now ruling and not the one that stated it will leave Europe .By David Cameron resigning and not invoking the article he has left Theresa or anyone else with a bit of savvy , the perfect reason not to Brexit .


Hahaha don't think so, this is 100% now, and you should read david davis comments above 100% correct my Italian fool lol.

By:
doridoru
When: 13 Jul 16 20:24
We currently import £59 billion more from Europe than we export. After Brexit we would be Europe’s largest export market, worth £289 billion in 2014, larger than China.

To see our importance to Europe, you only need to walk down the street.  More than a quarter of all cars sold in this country are Mercedes, BMWs, Audis or VWs.  And those are just some of the German brands.  We are Europe’s second largest, and fastest growing car market.

This negotiation will primarily be about politics, and our European colleagues pre-eminently concerned about their national interest.

We are too valuable a market for Europe to shut off.  Within minutes of a vote for Brexit the CEO’s of Mercedes, BMW, VW and Audi will be knocking down Chancellor Merkel’s door demanding that there be no barriers to German access to the British market.

And while they are at it they will be demanding that those British companies that they own will have uninterrupted access to Europe.  We are talking Mini and Rolls Royce, owned by BMW, and Bentley, owned by Volkswagen.  Premium brands with healthy demand across Europe.

And this is not just German cars. The same will happen with Shell and Unilever in the Netherlands, EDF, EADS and the viticultural trade associations in France, Seat in Spain, and Fiat and the fashion designers in Italy.

The pressure from European companies for a free trade deal between the UK and the remaining member of the European Union would be huge.

We have far more to gain than we have to lose, while the opposite is true for the EU.  People have spoken, wrongly, about 3.3 million British jobs being ‘linked’ to our membership of the EU.  Well there are over 5 million jobs on the continent that are linked to trade with Britain.
By:
doridoru
When: 13 Jul 16 20:27
The European Union was a noble vision.  It was borne out of Europe’s history.  A history of war, conflict, tyranny and destruction.

Two world wars ripped Western Europe apart.  It is an entirely understandable, indeed an admirable, response to such horror to want to break down national barriers and increase bonds between peoples and countries.

Spain emerged from Franco’s tyranny.  Portugal from Caetano.  Greece shook off the rule of the Colonels.  And after the Berlin Wall fell, whole swathes of Eastern Europe rediscovered democracy and liberty.

Faced with such a history it is entirely understandable that the European Union came into being.  It is a profoundly peaceful project, dedicated to protecting democracy across Europe.

But this history is not our history.  Britain has its own proud tradition of fighting tyranny, of protecting liberty and democracy both at home and abroad.

For us, Europe has always been about trade.  For the continent, it is about so much more.  This does not mean either side is wrong.  But the European Project is not right for us.  The Global Project is.
By:
tof
When: 13 Jul 16 20:31
Sovereignty means that the triggering of article 50 will have to be discussed and voted upon in the house of commons before a decision on it is passed regardless of what the public opinion . That is law .Furthermore almost all big are apposed to the motion , so it ain't gonna be so easy pal .
By:
n88uk
When: 13 Jul 16 20:32
What a mug Donald Young.
By:
doridoru
When: 13 Jul 16 20:38
Edy in despair lol, David Davis superb...basically Farage without all the baggage, and hes in charge!

BBC ARE GUTTED HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
By:
edy
When: 13 Jul 16 20:38
am I?
By:
edy
When: 13 Jul 16 20:39
I have to say it's incredibly adorable how concerned you always are about me. Even mentioned me in a eu lover thread on politics or chit chat the other week.
By:
tof
When: 13 Jul 16 20:40
David Davis is the worst person for the job .
By:
edy
When: 13 Jul 16 20:40
One could almost think I'm constantly on your mind Blush
By:
aaronh
When: 13 Jul 16 20:40
Happy
By:
doridoru
When: 13 Jul 16 20:41
Lol Edy I respect you that's why...
By:
edy
When: 13 Jul 16 20:41
If only Aaron showed as much affection towards me Sad
By:
doridoru
When: 13 Jul 16 20:41
David Davis very articulate in his words though, massive piece he wrote in Feb this year...
By:
doridoru
When: 13 Jul 16 20:42
He even refers to your usual argument there look:

Faced with such a history it is entirely understandable that the European Union came into being.  It is a profoundly peaceful project, dedicated to protecting democracy across Europe.

But this history is not our history.  Britain has its own proud tradition of fighting tyranny, of protecting liberty and democracy both at home and abroad.

For us, Europe has always been about trade.  For the continent, it is about so much more.  This does not mean either side is wrong.  But the European Project is not right for us.  The Global Project is.
By:
n88uk
When: 13 Jul 16 20:43
We are finished.
By:
aaronh
When: 13 Jul 16 20:44

Jul 13, 2016 -- 8:41PM, doridoru wrote:


Lol Edy I respect you that's why...


that's sweet

By:
edy
When: 13 Jul 16 20:45
Isn't Global Project what you personally thought to have voted against?
By:
aaronh
When: 13 Jul 16 20:46

Jul 13, 2016 -- 8:41PM, doridoru wrote:


David Davis very articulate in his words though, massive piece he wrote in Feb this year...


seemed to be a lot of actually very articulate people on both sides who reduced the debate to utter muggery

By:
edy
When: 13 Jul 16 20:47
That's the good elite university debate culture of debating to convince, not out of believe.
By:
aaronh
When: 13 Jul 16 20:47
not sure why it is particularly surprising either that Brexiters were put in these key roles with regards to it either
By:
aaronh
When: 13 Jul 16 20:47

Jul 13, 2016 -- 8:47PM, edy wrote:


That's the good elite university debate culture of debating to convince, not out of believe.


Cool

By:
edy
When: 13 Jul 16 20:47
Did you know like 50% of tories went to private schools and elite universities?
By:
n88uk
When: 13 Jul 16 20:49
And the other 50% voted leave Confused?
By:
edy
When: 13 Jul 16 20:49
While nation wide only about 7% went to private schools like Eton
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