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wisewords When: 24 May 15 00:07

why didn't Italy win aaron?

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caramba When: 24 May 15 00:07

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edy When: 24 May 15 00:08

May 24, 2015 -- 12:06AM, aaronh wrote:

u were 26th

ur mum was 26th out of 26 at the 1926 Miss Telford contest

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n88uk When: 24 May 15 00:08

May 23, 2015 -- 11:54PM, edy wrote:

May 23, 2015 -- 11:51PM, n88uk wrote:May 23, 2015 -- 11:31PM, edy wrote:German incompetence was choosing the same date to invade Russia as Napoleon had chosen. Both ended up owning the badly trained, underequipped russian military early on but were eventually brutally beaten by the winter.Seriously tempted to respond with a lecture to this .ok, even bigger incompetence was not being able to convince the rest of Europe to join them in a fight against communism.

Your point is just 1 of many.

Probably Germany's biggest mistakes:

#1 Germany's war economy was totally incompetent compared to the Allies and Soviet Union.
#2 Not adopting any allies in campaign against Russia (which they could have).
#3 Tactically inept. Not prioritising Moscow. Constantly diluting offences with multiple prong attacks.
#4 Declaring war on the USA.

Battle of Britain was also just a waste of time from Germany's point of view, and a diversion from what they should have been doing (given their goals), using up valuable resources.

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edy When: 24 May 15 00:10

It was the stupid japanese that got us into the war with the US

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aaronh When: 24 May 15 00:10

ur a stupid Japanese

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jin_kazz When: 24 May 15 00:10

germany didn't have allies? u serious, n88?? half of europe was fighting for germugs

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caramba When: 24 May 15 00:11

the theme of tonight is building bridges. you shouldn't be arguing about a war from 70-75 years ago imo.

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edy When: 24 May 15 00:11

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aaronh When: 24 May 15 00:11

May 24, 2015 -- 12:11AM, caramba wrote:

the theme of tonight is building bridges. you shouldn't be arguing about a war from 70-75 years ago imo.

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caramba When: 24 May 15 00:11

we were their allies

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n88uk When: 24 May 15 00:12

Germany had no obligation to declare war on the USA. And Roosevelt would have struggled to get war with Germany to pass through Congress.

WW2 is my specialist topic btw. I've just always been kind of super afraid to discuss it.

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edy When: 24 May 15 00:12

jag alskar sverige

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caramba When: 24 May 15 00:12

people dancing in the streets here at the moment.

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aaronh When: 24 May 15 00:12

edy, you are a jag alskar sverige

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mesmerised When: 24 May 15 00:12

For all the wars germany started and land it invaded, it's ended up being only the 7th biggest by land mass and 2nd biggest by population with substantial number of immigrants which couldn't be more ironic, so much for cleansing, @dolf would be turning in his grave

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aaronh When: 24 May 15 00:13

May 24, 2015 -- 12:12AM, n88uk wrote:

Germany had no obligation to declare war on the USA. And Roosevelt would have struggled to get war with Germany to pass through Congress.WW2 is my specialist topic btw. I've just always been kind of super afraid to discuss it.

this is a bombshell

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edy When: 24 May 15 00:13

May 24, 2015 -- 12:12AM, caramba wrote:

people dancing in the streets here at the moment.

any burning cars yet?

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caramba When: 24 May 15 00:13

edy, you can probably watch Måns on SVT play if you want. he's dancing now.

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caramba When: 24 May 15 00:14

Sanna about to interview him.

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edy When: 24 May 15 00:14

May 24, 2015 -- 12:12AM, mesmerised wrote:

For all the wars germany started and land it invaded, it's ended up being only the 7th biggest by land mass and 2nd biggest by population with substantial number of immigrants which couldn't be more ironic, so much for cleansing, @dolf would be turning in his grave

Not like the UK which had built a massive glorious Empire they easily did cling onto to this day.

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caramba When: 24 May 15 00:15

May 24, 2015 -- 12:13AM, edy wrote:

May 24, 2015 -- 12:12AM, caramba wrote:people dancing in the streets here at the moment.any burning cars yet?

don't know, that only happens in the suburbs.

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n88uk When: 24 May 15 00:15

May 24, 2015 -- 12:10AM, jin_kazz wrote:

germany didn't have allies? u serious, n88?? half of europe was fighting for germugs

I didn't say this anywhere?

I massively shortened my points otherwise it's just an essay.

Point #2 means Germany could have easily adopted countries like Ukraine, who absolutely hated Stalin to fight on their side. Ukraine was resource rich as well. Instead Germany were obsessed with Nazi ideology, which quickly made Ukraine, the Baltic states realise no matter how bad Stalin was, Hitler was way worse. This had a knock on effect of not only throwing away people and resources who could have contributed to Germany's war effort. But made people actively sabotage Germany's war effort, and when these countries were later re-conquered by the Soviet Union, a load of battle hardened partisans ready to fight Germany.

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edy When: 24 May 15 00:15

You mean where all the unreal Swedes live? That's racist, caramba.

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caramba When: 24 May 15 00:15

I didn't say that.

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jin_kazz When: 24 May 15 00:16

they couldn't adopt ukraine.

it's the same if they'd adopt, let's say, scotland or wales

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aaronh When: 24 May 15 00:16

what is Sanna saying?

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edy When: 24 May 15 00:17

May 24, 2015 -- 12:16AM, aaronh wrote:

what is Sanna saying?

jag alskar sverige

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n88uk When: 24 May 15 00:17

May 24, 2015 -- 12:11AM, caramba wrote:

we were their allies

A load of Soviet spies operated out of Sweden.

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caramba When: 24 May 15 00:17

congratulating Måns, laughing and smiling a lot.

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caramba When: 24 May 15 00:18

yeah, we were friends with them too

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caramba When: 24 May 15 00:18

that's how you secure success in Eurovision.

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jin_kazz When: 24 May 15 00:19

they could ease their life on occupied territories if they wouldn't be such a gang of nazis, killing and torturing civilians. their deeds created serious guerrilla movement which was making serious damage to them

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edy When: 24 May 15 00:19

May 24, 2015 -- 12:18AM, caramba wrote:

that's how you secure success in Eurovision.

but these days you are mean to their submarines

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aaronh When: 24 May 15 00:20

I read something ages ago about how the Danish were more resistant to Nazi plans, compared to other countries

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aaronh When: 24 May 15 00:20

Ben Rothenberg ‏@BenRothenberg 23s24 seconds ago Vienna, Austria
Heh, #MKD and #MNE both had jury votes thrown out because of suspicions of impropriety. Hope they cashed those checks already... #eurovision

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caramba When: 24 May 15 00:21

pretty sure Norway and Denmark both were

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n88uk When: 24 May 15 00:22

What's often hidden behind the evil of Hitler was that he was also completely inept as a war time leader.

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jin_kazz When: 24 May 15 00:23

in ukraine german spies were operating long before WW2 (especially western ukraine). and they made some allies among ukrainian nationalists there. didn't help them a lot though.

so it's not really correct to say that they were not trying to make allies

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caramba When: 24 May 15 00:23

Norwegians seething:
http://www.vg.no/
"Would have rather seen another winner"

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