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AyersRock
08 Jul 13 08:11
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this'll be their rankings after olympics points are dropped next month

1.    Djokovic Novak      Serbia    12040
2.    Murray Andy      Great Britain    8610


muray-djokovic

to defend
90 - canada -  1000
90 in cincinnati - 600
2000 in us open - 1200 
180 - tokyo/beijing - 500
600 - shanghai - 1000
90 - paris - 10
400 - london - 1500
250 brisbane / - 0
1200 australia - 2000

to me it looks like by australia next year if he maintains final consistency of the back of wimbledon and betters novak in the big tourneys for the rest of the season, given 22 of his 27 tournament wins have been on hard court, the next 6 months on hard courts is the start of what is undoubtedly Andy Murray's fate to be the World Number 1 player, bring on Australia 2014Cool
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Report judorick July 8, 2013 9:16 AM BST
problem for Murray is the proximity of Cinncy to the USO and Paris to the O2

he will always tank those events to prepare for the bigger tourneys, so he's losing the best part of 1000 there for a start

best chances to close the gap are O2 and Oz
Report The Leopard July 8, 2013 9:59 AM BST
I hear he is going to give up tennis having achieved his main goal and open an organic veg shop in Notting Hill...!
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 10:35 AM BST
You should probably be looking towards Murray going to the number 3 spot after Australia Wink. Highly likely he will be number 3 providing Nadal actually plays tennis between now and then.
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 10:36 AM BST
You also have omitted the 750 points Murray loses in a couple of weeks without even playing.
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 10:48 AM BST
Points to defend between now and end of Australian Open:
Djokovic - 8080
Murray - 5650
Nadal - 0

So with that taken into account:
Nadal - 6860
Djokovic - 4230
Murray - 3710

They are better hard court players, but they have to share a lot of the points, I expect Djokovic to dominate on the whole on hard courts. 3150 points is a big gap to catch up.
Report AyersRock July 8, 2013 10:54 AM BST
You also have omitted the 750 points Murray loses in a couple of weeks without even playing.


what is the very first line
Report AyersRock July 8, 2013 10:55 AM BST
Nadal on hard courtsLaugh his knees are finnish
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 10:56 AM BST
The Olympics. Djokovic also loses 270 points.
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 10:58 AM BST

Jul 8, 2013 -- 4:54AM, AyersRock wrote:


You also have omitted the 750 points Murray loses in a couple of weeks without even playing.what is the very first line


Nadal on hard courts in 2013. 6/0 100%. Wink. If he can win Indian Wells, I wouldn't count on him being so bad that he can't even post consistent quarter finals +.

Report AyersRock July 8, 2013 10:59 AM BST
n88uk

current rankings

1.    Djokovic Novak      Serbia    12310
2.    Murray Andy      Great Britain    9360


opening post

1.    Djokovic Novak      Serbia    12040
2.    Murray Andy      Great Britain    8610


i already deducted them
Report AyersRock July 8, 2013 10:59 AM BST
that was a slow hard court in indian wells as many players cited, and then he skipped miamiWink
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 11:00 AM BST
Ok. But all my other points still stand anyway. It's Murray's master series events which massively let him down.
Report lurka July 8, 2013 11:02 AM BST
Ayers why are you digging up 2 year old 'Murray will never win a slam' threads when he won a slam last SEPTEMBER?
Report AyersRock July 8, 2013 11:03 AM BST
what other points, nadal looked so bad against darcis I wonder whether he will even bother again, i owuldnt be surprised if he missed the next two masters

and the olympics i explained,

i was highlighting some comments not thread titles lurka, murray has taken such a beating on these forums last two years its time for taste of medicine for at least a day imo
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 11:05 AM BST
He will play 1 masters warm up to USO.
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 11:06 AM BST
Murray will have to win at least one of USO or Australia. Djokovic is still very much the favourite for both.
Report AyersRock July 8, 2013 11:08 AM BST
he is barely the favourite both of those going by oddsConfused,
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 11:11 AM BST
Yer but it's a overreaction to Murray beating him at Wimbledon. Eg. Right now Djokovic is a bigger price to win them than he was Wimbledon, well one of those is utter stupidity. Beating Djokovic on grass doesn't have much relevance to what will happen on hard courts.

Also I find this ironic, because I remember discussing with you pre-Wimbledon how Djokovic's price to win it was madness, so you have changed your tune.
Report AyersRock July 8, 2013 11:17 AM BST
Confused i never thought murray would win wimbledon if he played novak but the number 1 spot regardless has never been out of reach or questioned by me becuase he is capable of cleaning up on hc's,
Report judorick July 8, 2013 11:30 AM BST
Combining Canada, Cincy, Shanghai, Paris and the O2, between now and the Oz, Murray has 1270 out of a possible 5500 so there is plenty of scope to add more from those if he is motivated

going into 2014 clay he has only 280 points from Rome, Madrid, Monte Carlo and Roland Garros from a maximum 5000 so clearly has plenty to gain there before Wimbledon 2014

he has 4200 to defend from USO, Aus Open and Miami which account for over half his points not including the 2000 from Wimbledon

basically 9 heavy scoring opportunities and 3 where he can lose significant points between now and Wimby 2014

definitely possible if he ups his game in the Masters for a start - 870 to defend between Canada, Cinncy, Paris and Shanghai ffs, could get more than that by winning one of them
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 11:38 AM BST
He will improve some of those, but others are tough. Eg. Paris, how motivated is he really going into Paris.

Djokovic ultimately is still the best hard court player until we see otherwise.
Report judorick July 8, 2013 11:44 AM BST
not that it really counts but I really think Muzz had a shot at winning Oz this year but developed terrible blisters in the second or third set and could not really run. Had he won that match (was a set up, lost breaker in second) after winning USO we might be calling him the best HC player currently considering he also won Miami

anyway, as I said on the first reply, you are correct he will not be trying in Cinnci or Paris so he needs to defend USO title, win O2 and Oz and pick up points on the clay. If he does all that he will be #1
Report AyersRock July 8, 2013 11:45 AM BST
n88uk,

yes or no do you think he will be number 1 by the end of the australian open next year? if not where? #2? #3?
Report AyersRock July 8, 2013 11:53 AM BST
silence is deafeningLaugh
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 11:57 AM BST
No.
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 11:59 AM BST
Second question is too dependent on Nadal's fitness. But I think it's far more likely he is #3 than #1. On the same count I would edge towards #2 being a slight favourite overall.
Report judorick July 8, 2013 12:00 PM BST
I agree, no

but only because he is not prioritising it

if he set out to maximise points he could deffo do it but he will sacrifice MS events to focus on slams

there is the chance that Djoko has a mare at some point, like at the O2, and Muzz wins it causing a big swing of points but not likely
Report AyersRock July 8, 2013 12:01 PM BST
my predictions by end of oz (assuming nadal puts in some kinda effort over the n american/asian swing)

#1 murray
#2 djokvic
#3 nadal
#4 federer

see ya later
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 12:02 PM BST
He claims he is prioritising it btw judorick.
Report judorick July 8, 2013 12:04 PM BST
no he doesn't, he said yesterday when asked that he thought #1 was too far away and that he is targeting winning more slam titles over rankings
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 12:04 PM BST
The problem is if he starts prioritising all those events, it might jeopardise the big events, which then works out overall worse for him. Making number 1 is about conistency across the board. The reason Murray isn't making it, and is nowhere near is because Djokovic is the out and out #2 on clay, Murray is barely in the top 10, that is where he can't catch Djoko.
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 12:05 PM BST
Very different interview to he's given in the past judorick. That is code for I am not good enough for #1, and is a PR answer anyway.
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 12:07 PM BST
That is the line Serena gave for years, and then when she finally got back to #1 she was in tears over it.

#1 would be worth absolutely gazillions to someone like Murray in his contracts.

It's hard for Murray to focus on something that he is miles away from isn't it.
Report judorick July 8, 2013 12:13 PM BST
well I follow everything on daily basis and his twitter, he has just said that his next priority is to defend the USO title

if he does that then he might re-address the no.1 issue

but he's not gonna go balls out in Canada and Cinncy to get the points for the ranking at the expense of defending the USO (have you seen how close Cinncy is to USO?)

like wise he won't be going all out in Paris

so to get there, he will need to defend USO, win O2 and Oz

the interview was yesterday after the match and he was asked directly 'will you be focusing on the #1 now?'

and his reply was 'winning slam titles is my priority'
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 12:15 PM BST
Cincinnati the same distance to USO as Queens?
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 12:15 PM BST
was to Wimbledon.
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 12:16 PM BST
The same distance as Brisbane to AO.
Report n88uk July 8, 2013 12:16 PM BST
A lot of slam winners win that tournament 2 weeks before.
Report judorick July 8, 2013 12:17 PM BST
yes but it is back to back with Canada

If he goes deep/wins in Canada you can expect a tactical QF tank or injury scare withdrawal at Cinncy
Report aaronh July 8, 2013 12:22 PM BST
can't see Murray ever being no.1 while he is a flop on clay
Report aaronh July 8, 2013 12:23 PM BST
Djokovic  will pick too many points up over the 3 masters + FO to make it too difficult
Report judorick July 8, 2013 12:24 PM BST
aarong he's been in a RG semi final, he can play, chose to tank the whole season to be ready for Wimbledon imo
Report judorick July 8, 2013 12:28 PM BST
aarong

long before the clay, Djoko has 4700 to defend from USO + O2 + AUS

Murray has 3600, if you flip the scores the gap is close and Murray has only 280 from the whole clay season
Report aaronh July 8, 2013 12:32 PM BST
he needs to start beating top 10 players on the surface lol. It's kinda lame that there is no grass court masters still
Report aaronh July 8, 2013 12:34 PM BST
Murray will just have to 3 slams and YEC instead Silly
Report judorick July 8, 2013 12:40 PM BST
well he can worry about that after AUS, IW and Miami

if he wants to improve his rankings he has every chance between now and the start of the clay season, it's a matter of whether he wants to or not

Canada, Cincy, Shanghai, Tokyo, Paris, O2, AUS and Indian Wells - can improve points by just going one round, or more, further

USO and Miami can lose points if not winning the tournament
Report aaronh July 8, 2013 12:42 PM BST
he will win one of Canada and Cincy, depends which one he wants to lol

much like IW and Miami, having back to back masters is really stupid
Report judorick July 8, 2013 12:50 PM BST
even more so when the whole of July is empty apart from 250s pretty much
Report caramba July 8, 2013 12:51 PM BST
IW and Miami back to back is fine imo since they're spread out over an entire month and don't have a slam seven days later.
Report Kukken July 8, 2013 2:51 PM BST
Nadal will be number 1 come Australia.
Report n88uk August 18, 2013 4:01 PM BST

Jul 8, 2013 -- 6:42AM, aaronh wrote:


he will win one of Canada and Cincy, depends which one he wants to lolmuch like IW and Miami, having back to back masters is really stupid


Laugh

Report n88uk August 18, 2013 4:03 PM BST

Jul 8, 2013 -- 4:55AM, AyersRock wrote:


Nadal on hard courts his knees are finnish


Laugh

Report smb360 August 18, 2013 4:09 PM BST
Laugh
Report AyersRock August 18, 2013 4:21 PM BST
his knees are finished, finished for the big occasions, not a chance he win ever again, US or AUS, not unles he gets lucky and doesnt face murr-djok in the best of 5, stupiod killing himself to win two masters back to back a week before a slam, his knees will pay for it
Report aaronh August 18, 2013 4:24 PM BST
Laugh
Report aaronh August 18, 2013 4:49 PM BST
Chief Nadull hater signing in here but you can't underestimate him ffs
Report AyersRock August 18, 2013 5:01 PM BST
if/when hes losing in his semi final he pulled out retired nap
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? August 19, 2013 11:39 AM BST
from some other posts it would appear that Murray doesnt want to become world number one.
Report AyersRock September 8, 2013 11:47 AM BST
Cry
Report n88uk September 10, 2013 1:36 AM BST

Aug 18, 2013 -- 10:21AM, AyersRock wrote:


his knees are finished, finished for the big occasions, not a chance he win ever again, US or AUS, not unles he gets lucky and doesnt face murr-djok in the best of 5, stupiod killing himself to win two masters back to back a week before a slam, his knees will pay for it


LaughLaughLaugh

Report smb360 September 10, 2013 1:37 AM BST
Laugh
Report aaronh September 10, 2013 1:40 AM BST
Sad
Report hunt3r September 10, 2013 1:42 AM BST

Aug 18, 2013 -- 10:21AM, AyersRock wrote:


his knees are finished, finished for the big occasions, not a chance he win ever again, US or AUS, not unles he gets lucky and doesnt face murr-djok in the best of 5, stupiod killing himself to win two masters back to back a week before a slam, his knees will pay for it


Shocked

Report GWB_III September 10, 2013 1:50 AM BST
Can he keep his #3 spot ahead of Ferrer is the only question left now.
Report GWB_III September 10, 2013 1:53 AM BST
Paris, Shanghai, Valencia, he has 1500 points to defend, Ferrer 600. Maybe Nadal and Djok take some time off, otherwise...
Report GWB_III September 10, 2013 1:55 AM BST
My bad, Ferrer won Paris, not Murray. So he probably hangs on.
Report n88uk September 10, 2013 1:55 AM BST
Short term no. Long term yes. If Ferrer had won one more match here, he would have gone above Murray in the rankings.

Ferrer has 0 to defend in Asia. Murray has semi's in Tokyo and final in Shanghai.

Obviously Ferrer won Paris though, so longer term if he loses it Murray should get it back quickly.
Report GWB_III September 10, 2013 1:58 AM BST
You're right, should still be #3 at the AO.
Report n88uk September 10, 2013 2:14 AM BST
There's no difference between #3 and #4 if the worst comes to worst anyway.
Report AyersRock September 10, 2013 1:13 PM BST
you spend 7 months injured with dodgy knees than comeback and win 10 titles and 2 slams beating the best player in the world,

something is amiss,
Report smb360 September 10, 2013 5:47 PM BST
Laugh
Report wockey jilson September 10, 2013 5:52 PM BST
I am a Nadal fan and over the years it has been amusing seeing him prove people wrong time and time again

But this comeback is pretty unbelievable given all his 'problems', if defies human nature

His two longest lay offs in 2009 and last year, have been followed by his best two years on the tourConfused
Report AyersRock September 10, 2013 6:08 PM BST
drugged up to the eyeballs
Report AyersRock September 19, 2013 5:45 PM BST
Cry
Report n88uk September 19, 2013 5:55 PM BST
He shouldn't fall below #4 unless someone outside Djokovic, Nadal and Ferrer goes on a tear for the rest of the season.
Report AyersRock September 19, 2013 6:40 PM BST
if he has a good start to 2014 at least he can look forward to starting with a blank canvas and  picking up points on the Asian swing next year with no pressure to defend a lot of points, at this rate though it'll be 2015 by the time he's in with a chance of #N°1
Report A_T September 20, 2013 5:54 AM BST
be interesting to see if Murray comes back better then ever like Nadal  - on the other hand he may have a genuine injury not like Nadal's knees nonsense
Report n88uk September 20, 2013 4:04 PM BST

Sep 19, 2013 -- 11:54PM, A_T wrote:


be interesting to see if Murray comes back better then ever like Nadal

Report n88uk September 20, 2013 4:04 PM BST
Another hater.
Report aaronh September 20, 2013 5:15 PM BST
and a double space merchant to boot
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