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Here it is.... The orderve before the mens final on Sunday.
Vika, slight fav... Concerns over how well she actually is?
Li Na played out of her skin in the semi final vs Maria..(was that her final)
I think Li coming in with the best form (over these two weeks) and I would have it as a 50/50 coin flip.
Opening position for me is Li @ 2.24 and then trade during the match.
All the best forumites!!
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Vika, slight fav... Concerns over how well she actually is?
Li Na played out of her skin in the semi final vs Maria..(was that her final)
I think Li coming in with the best form (over these two weeks) and I would have it as a 50/50 coin flip.
Opening position for me is Li @ 2.24 and then trade during the match.
All the best forumites!!
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aza is buying money. that is allllllllllllllllllllllllll
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i agree. i had masha backed v li and was shocked to see how easy li desposed of her but aza is more mobile and can serve better. she will beat li i have no doubt about that. 1.8 is serious value. id have her 1.45
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pfffft this is like when you go to that bald tv chef's restaurant and they serve you the truffle chocolate cake soaked in 64 yr old bushmills before the salty fermented seaweed
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Don't really agree with that Bhoys. Li still moves better than Azarenka. Li was all over Sharapova's serve, and Azarenka's serve is weak. The biggest change I would say I expect from this match is Azarenka to return a lot better than Sharapova did, and Sharapova was so off in that match and just hitting down the middle of the court to be pinged from side to side by Li. I would have Azarenka a touch shorter (around 1.72) if I was confident she was 100% fit, but with that taken into account prices look about correct.
The one thing to say is Li's form has massively fluctuated this tournament. She was very patchy in her early matches (even first 9 games vs Rad were awful), but has played very well in the last 3 sets she played. |
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li moves better than azarenka?
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we no0t talking about bruce lee
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Yes she does. Watch their previous matches. Li moves well side to side, and definitely a lot better up the court than Azarenka does. Azarenka is just more consistent in general off the ground, and Li is prone to batches of rash errors/impatience.
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I'm trying to sell my house before tomorrow, anyone?
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li 2-0 or aza 2-1 coming back from set down
gonna lay aza from the start and lay her again if she break first |
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remember Li coming into the final 2011 showing better form and then lost to Kim, last 4 matches to Aza as well, so Aza deserves to be slight fav, she's better than Shazza in all aspects of the game
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aza's 2nd serve will decide this match. I am not impressed by her stats at all. Li win for me
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welshie,good call.wise.
 bb66,will back aza.1.0 only.  |
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LOOKI LOOKI HERE ... IF IT ISNT WELSHIE5121. I DONT USUALLY DO THIS BUT THIS GUY KNOWS HIS STUFF BOYS SO HE USUALLY TALKS SENSE LISTEN TO HIM.
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if li can slap around sharapova she can do the same to azar, the only thing that kept sharapova in the game was her serve and azar does noy have that...
the main decisive issue who is going to bring there game on the night and that is unpredictable |
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when Shazza's serve gets shaky you can only laugh about it
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Okay, after watching the two semis I thought, easy money on Li NA and also nice odds. Now I checked the h2h, watched their last meetings 2012 on youtube and also watched the highligts of their AO matches again. I have to say, that the first set of Li Na vs. A Rad wasn`t on a high level and the match against Sharapova also wasn`t that for sure. That match of Sarapova was really weak her massive UE`s not have been forced ever by Li Na. She hit many many forehands into the net, out of the court and gave the match away, without to step the court really.
On the other hand, also Aza have chocked sometimes at the AO, vs. Hampton, at the beginning vs. Kuzze and at the end against Stephens. So all Li Na backers have to hope, that Aza dont find her flow, because if she finds it, she is able to make the game fast and to hit winners form everywhere. Watch Aza - Li in Istanbul, Madrid and Sydney 2012, which all won Aza. Madrid and Sydney in three, which were high quality matches. I have also watched Li Na vs. Clijsters in the final 2011 and have to say, this match was three classes above both Semifinals 2013. Clijsters won in three two years ago. In my opinion, if Li Na has a chance to win against Aza it is at the AO, she has beaten her 2011 there 63 63 and also played well 2012 when she also lost to clisters in three sets. But I have to admit also, that Aza likes the AO very well, because she won them last year when she smashed Sharapova 63 60 in the final. So, in my opinion if both plays like in their last two matches it will be a very close one, maybe the crowd will give some "home advantage" after the Aza show against stephens here. On point also could be essential: Li Na seems to have raised her service games, and had won always above 50% of her second service (except on time, I guess it was against Cirstea). She is also able to handle pressure very well, we saw against ARad and Shara here, saving may BP`s. On the other hand Aza won more than 50% of her seconds only one time in the first round. Maybe also the coach of Na Li will give an advantage here, because it seems he is also a reason of the last victories from Na Li, it seems he is and old fox :o) Excuse my bad english and your opinions are welcome. I think at the moment the odds are right here. |
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im being banned from this fred lol
vuvuzela easy money, and 2-0 good luck |
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home will defo support li as she is the one in australia,even without sloane incident,but after that... well it can be hostile
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Aza will prevail
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Evening gents (and ladies if there are any).
Two things seem crucial to me. 1) Li has Carlos Rodriguez as her coach now 2) How Azarenka deals with what has happened since her 2nd set antics vs Stephens? (many tennis experts and lots of tennis fans and even neutrals critisizing her) Good luck. |
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I can't see the crowd being hostile. They're going to be pro Li, but they're not going to be actively booing Azarenka - I just can't see it. I can't see this having any effect on the result. The large majority of crowds are pro-Azarenka's opponents.
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Brass necked Azarenka won't care about what people think about her.
It's a tough one to call because Li is an unknown quantity at the moment - has Carlos turned her into the new Henin or have her opponents been lacking? Amateurish Sharapova could barely keep the ball in the court. |
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layed li 2-0 to be safe but i think aza will win 2-0
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i m sure they will boo azarenka , she was booed many times before on many arenas ,cant see her being not tonight
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but as petr said she doesnt care and her own noise can roar down anything,she is used to being booed so it doesnt matter
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i can see rotten tomatoes flying to azarenka
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dead koalas
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yes the AO crowd have already mimicked the ridiculous noises she makes and don't really like her for that, but that has had no effect on her. If they are more against her in the final that might work in her favour - everyone is against me? We will not know how the crowd are and how she deals with it until after it starts. I would expect it to be close and Aza will fight to defend her title but if Li comes out of the blocks firing and Aza's hits a lot of second serves, then I can see Li winning in 2 tight sets.
I would read very little into the recent (2012) H2H as Li is a different player now and has not played like this since the first half of 2011, when she beat Aza in 2 sets on the way to the AO final and then won the FO, again beating Aza in 2 sets. They are their only 2 grand slam meetings. I think Li is physically and mentally fitter under rodriguez than she was in 2011. Aza has improved since then too tho but I don't see Li not playing well. |
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Tournament stats by round for each player:-
http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/players/overview/wta312001.html aza http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/players/overview/wta120330.html na li As I said earlier, shara and aga both had excellent serve stats (2nd serve in partic and much better than aza's serve stats) before they met Na Li. It was not a case of them serving particularly badly IMO but rather that Rodriguez has trained Li Na to be aggressive and attack the 2nd serve, look to hit a straight winner or force an error on return. I would expect Li to get a lot of joy on Aza's 2nd serve, Aza will have to have a high 1st serve in % to win this IMO. Aza's has averaged 6 DFs per game in the last 4 rounds and I can see even more if Li is attacking 2nd serve, that will lead to even more DFs IMO. But as it is WTA where anything could happen, I will wait a game or two to see how they start. |
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tbh serving is important but not that much important, azarenka is one of the best returners if not best in the game, she will pressurize li service constantly like she does to masha rad or even serena, it will all go down to rallies, azarenka has great court coverage and is very solid from both wings can hit all the ground strokes available she will stay in the rallies little bit more than li ,as she always does to anybody and will drive errors of her or finish with any shorter ball quickly, li is not shabby rallier either but she is so much more prone to make errors than azarenka and if she wont have cool head and play perfect match, azarenka will quickly get into her head with pressure she sustain . li had one good match so far and it happened she beat sharapova. this is new match ,against azarenka who is much more consistent and reliable ,experienced player she was whnen losing to li last time
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I wouldn't read much into the Sharapova stats especially on 2nd serve. She is always like that, winning a very high % in easy matches. Then in the pressure matches, the double faults return etc. Li will obviously dominate Aza's 2nd serve. But it's going to be the same the other way as well.
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Azarenka has been put under pressure twice in the tournament and hasn't reacted well either time. She was in real trouble against Hampton and was on the verge of imploding against Stephens. She won't get away with 10 minute MTO's this time.
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For me this match is all about na li how consistant can she be in the rallies we know she can go toe to toe with anyone in the womens game but can she go toe to toe with azarenka in longer rallies without making the unforced errors I agree with a lot of the comments I backed na li at 26 30 and 38 on the outright she was drifting in the betting yet going further in the tournament you could still get 12's on her in the semi final as everyone was convinced it was going to be a sharapova azarenka final I wasn't I've layed her short now so am not really bothered but it should be a cracking match a pick em match its that close look for na li to be all over azarenka's second serve they met two years ago in melbourne na li won in straight sets there's no way azarenka will win in two I layed sharapova in two against na li because 1.77 was way too short na li really performs in australia she's only lost to the top top players in heavy hitting encounters in melbourne like clijsters in 2011 for me its na li in three but it could last a long time and be a classic match up.
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Seems like a lot of people watch Aza with some sort of Aza De-Luxe love in goggles on.
I took Aza on one side of the draw an Li Na on the other, so from a betting perspective not bothered who wins, but lets be honest Li Na has looked far more impressive on her way to the final, far from Sharapova being her final, she beat her easily the real performance was beating Aggi in the Quarters. Aza will be making excuses if she falls behind......BAG OF NERVES against Sloane. |
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li na will win this one in 2 sets
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I think Li Na will win in either 2 or 3 sets, if not Azarenka will win.
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azarenka went off at 1.2 three months ago to the day
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Nothing wrong with azarenka....Li na error machine today...she will find it much tougher going trying to hit through aza...she had it easy v the flat footed sharapova
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