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By:
Tytfaen
When: 03 Oct 12 07:03
Suarez is a good player, lots of wins against top 10
By:
tatarin
When: 03 Oct 12 07:04
by the way Kvitova said she got infection, that's why she lost to CSN
By:
Tytfaen
When: 03 Oct 12 07:09
don't care about her win over Kvitova, many SOLID wins in Grand Slams against top players, and 2? 1/4 finals as well. Clearly the best single-handed backhand in womans tennis nowdays.
By:
PatrickSwaze
When: 03 Oct 12 07:24
I think Carla was not a clear value... Jankovic destroyed her at the beginning and have lots of mant weapons...

Just think to two serbian mug are completely useless now
By:
Tytfaen
When: 03 Oct 12 07:37
Suarez can beat top players, and she can lose to MUGS, seen too many of her matches
By:
bb66
When: 03 Oct 12 08:04
do you know what you're writing? Once you critisize the ranking system for allowing Wozniacki (Safina, etc) to take the top without winning a slam, on the other you state slams are overrated with Ana being top 20 only on decent slam performancesSilly
By:
Tytfaen
When: 03 Oct 12 08:12
bb66 ??
By:
bb66
When: 03 Oct 12 08:20
wasn't pointed at you Tytfaen, but to the whole community here, inspired by this posting


atlasshrugged23              03 Oct 12

same as this year... she played very well at 3 grand slams (made round of 16s and one QF) and that's enough points to keep her at the top of the game...
By:
Tytfaen
When: 03 Oct 12 08:34
no problem bb66
By:
atlasshrugged23
When: 03 Oct 12 08:43

Oct 3, 2012 -- 8:04AM, bb66 wrote:


do you know what you're writing? Once you critisize the ranking system for allowing Wozniacki (Safina, etc) to take the top without winning a slam, on the other you state slams are overrated with Ana being top 20 only on decent slam performances


you completely missed my point. not surprised, tho. what I was saying was that it's unacceptable for a player who literally does well at just 3-4 tournaments (where, coincidentally, she benefits from beeing seeded) to not fall faster through the rankings when she is obviously getting beaten left and right. What I am complaining about when it comes to the rankings is that, because they aggregate 12 months' worth of results, they are too static and don't reflect the reality of a season... u can't tell me that right now ivanovic deserves to be in the top 20.

By:
atlasshrugged23
When: 03 Oct 12 08:46
what this ranking system is missing is 1) a shorter period of aggregation (6 months tops) and 2) differentiation in the points awarded for a win based on the ranking of the player that was beaten (in other words give a player more points for beating sharapova than for beating heather watson... and, conversely, when a player ranked higher loses to smb ranked much lower, there should be some negative impact on their points as well...)
By:
atlasshrugged23
When: 03 Oct 12 08:54
not to mention serena completely dominating the sport right now, everybody agreeing she dominates the sport (has done it most of the year, with the exception of the french open) and she is NUMBER FOUR (?!) in the rankings?? now you tell me the ranking system is correct...
By:
wooky
When: 03 Oct 12 09:00
wtf! 3 'safe' bets Ivanovic, Makarova, Jankovic all down the toiletCrazy
By:
atlasshrugged23
When: 03 Oct 12 09:01
how on earth was jankovic a safe bet?? :)
By:
wooky
When: 03 Oct 12 09:21
she has improved of late
By:
edy
When: 03 Oct 12 09:27
That's because Serena doesn't care about the tour and tournaments. In lots of years her season is basically over after the US Open. This year she caught the flu just before Beijing. She'd so love to play it and support the tour and it's tournaments, but she just often gets so very unlucky with illness or injury in September and August.

Coincidentally, Serena might be one of the players who take most advantage of the 12 months ranking and the big points at the majors. She simply knows she doesn't have to work her ass off and play every tournament. Due to the 12 months she knows that she usually has her big Wimbledon, Miami and US Open points, so she takes her very extended rests and doesn't play more than the bare minimum of tournaments. That can then also work to her advantage. Lesser risk of injuring, tiring yourself out or simply not coming into tournaments with lots of niggles in a year long grind of tournaments.

If all players, especially top ones who just like Serena don't necessarily need the money from each tournament they play, would think and schedule like Serena does, then good night WTA.

About getting bonus points for beating better players: here's a discussion about the pros and cons of the quality point system that the WTA used to have.

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=417591
By:
edy
When: 03 Oct 12 09:43
DStyle also once raised the interesting point that he's questioning if Serena is even physically capable to really play a Friday/Saturday/Sunday or even a Thursday/Friday/Saturday/Sunday schedule like lots of normal tournaments require you to. At least in tournaments with a tougher field (like e.g Beijing or Tokyo have)
By:
atlasshrugged23
When: 03 Oct 12 09:45

Oct 3, 2012 -- 9:27AM, edy wrote:


That's because Serena doesn't care about the tour and tournaments. In lots of years her season is basically over after the US Open. This year she caught the flu just before Beijing. She'd so love to play it and support the tour and it's tournaments, but she just often gets so very unlucky with illness or injury in September and August.Coincidentally, Serena might be one of the players who take most advantage of the 12 months ranking and the big points at the majors. She simply knows she doesn't have to work her ass off and play every tournament. Due to the 12 months she knows that she usually has her big Wimbledon, Miami and US Open points, so she takes her very extended rests and doesn't play more than the bare minimum of tournaments. That can then also work to her advantage. Lesser risk of injuring, tiring yourself out or simply not coming into tournaments with lots of niggles in a year long grind of tournaments.If all players, especially top ones who just like Serena don't necessarily need the money from each tournament they play, would think and schedule like Serena does, then good night WTA.About getting bonus points for beating better players: here's a discussion about the pros and cons of the quality point system that the WTA used to have.http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=417591


hmmm... well, serena's best results this year have come both at majors (wimbledon and US open) and at premier events, right? Madrid and Charleston come to mind... oh, yeah, and stanford and the olympics too, right? as for the 12-months system working in her favour... I will disagree, because, had it been 6 months, she would be world number 1 right now. I'm a huge fan of the quality points system (thanks for the link)... didn't know it was called that and don't remember when it was in place (guess I wasn't paying that close attention to tennis in those days), but it should be brought back, yes, to the detriment of lower-ranked tourneys... I don't want the top 10 playing at silly tournaments and so often, anyway, I want them only at max 15-20 tournaments a year...

By:
atlasshrugged23
When: 03 Oct 12 09:47
at the end of the day, the big question i have is: if one were to look at the rankings right now, do they reflect the reality of the sport? Not so much... I mean, yeah, Azza,Pova, and Serena are top players, ARad and Kerber and Petra are in the "second" tier (of the top players, I mean)... but Serena should be number 1 and she won't be, even if she wins the australian open (unless azza crashes and burns early on)
By:
edy
When: 03 Oct 12 09:53
Right now she'd probably be no1 with a shorter ranking time, but at the Australian Open she'd only really have the points from the US Open, Stanford and maybe Sydney which she doesn't take seriously most of the time while others will have points from the US Open, US Open series, Tokyo, Beijing, Moscow and some AO warmup. She'd probably be ranked even lower than she is now (provided she would still schedule the same)
By:
edy
When: 03 Oct 12 09:54
Well, maybe not lower because the US Open points are just so fat, but I doubt she'd be ranked no.1
By:
atlasshrugged23
When: 03 Oct 12 09:57
depends if you count in wimbledon (straddling june/july) or not... even if you don't, she would still be 1st or 2nd, thanks to the olympics points... and also thanks to the fact that no other player has shown much consistency post US Open...
By:
atlasshrugged23
When: 03 Oct 12 09:59
and for sure a win at the AO would guarantee her world 1 ranking (well deserved ranking, she is clearly better than anybody out there ATM)... which, with this system, is not the case... if azza doesn't crash in the first three rounds, which she probably will not
By:
bb66
When: 03 Oct 12 10:05
supporting edy here, a #1 should be on courts more than 4 months a year and panicking when facing an out of competition drug testWink
By:
atlasshrugged23
When: 03 Oct 12 10:09
i actually don't disagree with you both on that point... but it's not fair what you are saying, as serena was on court more than 4 months this year... as for the drug alegations... really? what the hell do you base them on?? not everybody is a nadal these days (oops, I did it again)
By:
atlasshrugged23
When: 03 Oct 12 10:10
and ps Azarenka has played only 4 (FOUR) more tournaments than Serena this year...
By:
atlasshrugged23
When: 03 Oct 12 10:11
... and retired from 3 (Serena retired from 2)
By:
bb66
When: 03 Oct 12 10:13
I can't remember who and where provided the link of that failed Serena locking herself in the bathroom or the likes when controllers were at her houseLaugh
By:
atlasshrugged23
When: 03 Oct 12 10:25
wow... THIS is what you are referring to? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/serena_williams_locks_herself_mix_e33FXOULdoqlWqXmotSDSP
By:
atlasshrugged23
When: 03 Oct 12 10:25
bbbb6666, as always, I can count on you (just like on your idiotic thread) to provide a valuable contribution to this forum.
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