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Maybe this will teach the women with the babies a lesson.
why did they have to put this sh1t on this court?
want to see watson v kirilenko, prob won't happen tonight now
want to see watson v kirilenko, prob won't happen tonight now
it was expected though australian is a huge fighter and somehow this old fashioned tennis still works
I need to redesign my 3 set spreadsheet after this match, burst through my log table now!
hello, where can I find live score of this pls ? thanks....ITF site does not work today...does someone have another site to follow live score pls? thanks in advance
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/2012/live-video/p00w2xty
waiting for so long for this bet to come in.. should have done game betting
Perfect match for scalping the server though. Mind, you just know if you started doing it now, there would be an immediate break.
whenever you start doing that there is an immediate break.
Notice the cry of the kids has died down? That's because they are no longer kids, all grown up now, probably having a beer.
First time I tried it was Raonic against another big server (Melzer?) and it fell flat on its face.
Jul 31, 2012 -- 6:44PM, jackhulk wrote:
Notice the cry of the kids has died down? That's because they are no longer kids, all grown up now, probably having a beer.
here we go
makes isnger 60 odd games in a set look even more weird
makes isnger 60 odd games in a set look even more weird
Three match points and still 1.13. Shows you what a match this is.
Good final point, crowd pathetically wetting themselves though.
Great match, the way tennis should be not a lottery tie break, a true test. Well done to both unfortunately there has to be a loser.
Bye
People like Tsonga because he is friendly. Murray could learn a lot from him.
deserved win for Tsonga. raonic has proved that he is just a tree.
Jul 31, 2012 -- 6:52PM, Tricktickler wrote:
deserved win for Tsonga. raonic has proved that he is just a tree.
If Raonic is just a "tree" and Tsonga is so much better then why did it take him so long to finish "a tree"?
they should change the rules for all atp tournaments. If you want to win.. break Not stupid tie breaks
They should have. Simple as that. We know its finished, and so should Betfair.
Jul 31, 2012 -- 6:54PM, gaudi wrote:
they should change the rules for all atp tournaments. If you want to win.. break Not stupid tie breaks
All sets used to be this way.
What's next. Got some on Ferrer. Not sure about Kirilinki v Twotson.
After waiting all day, wonder what the nerves, etc, are like for Kirilenko or Watson.
The vacuous brains of WTA players are probably incapable of such an emotion.
probably more concerned with what they will wear onto court, and when they can go shopping for shoes.
For a gay man (which in itself is awesome I must say) you're horribly sexist.
You're saying too many hurting, xenophobic, sexist and utterly discriminative things.
Even if it's meant to be humourous, why be so horribly hurtful and so very simple-minded and low-class? Why be so "Little Britain" and "Mrs. Brown's boys"?
Even if it's meant to be humourous, why be so horribly hurtful and so very simple-minded and low-class? Why be so "Little Britain" and "Mrs. Brown's boys"?
Which is something I can not understand personally. Most gay people I know are much more sophisticated, which sometimes makes me assume you're just playing the gay person to mock homosexuals.
I am not interested in your psycho-analysis. Take a look at yourself instead.
I'd be more than happy to discuss those things with you. As I'm not the only person who has noticed your close-mindedness and intolerance you must acknowledge there must be something to it. We're not making these things up. You're the one writing them all. If it's all a misunderstanding however you can of course always make us realize what the real deal is and what you really meat to say. It's not like I or other people are deaf and can not be reasoned with. You've never used that chance so far though (as with most of these highly discriminating things you say there is nothing to discuss really, but I'd still listen and consider carefully), which of course makes me think you meant every word you said.
As for myself I'm of course not faultless and I can be called a lot of negative things too. That includes being a gambling addict, lazy, not being happy-go-lucky all day and sometimes suffering from a lack of self-esteem in daily life. In contrast to what you keep representing with almost everything you say however, I would rarely be called a bad human being as far as being open minded and tolerant towards people of different nations, races and sexes is concerned.
Which again I have to say is surprising me about you a lot. As someone who must've also suffered from bullying and discrimination throughout his troubled teenagehood, simply because he was surrounded with shit people who don't have an open mind when it's about things like sexual orientation and pick easy targets, I thought it would almost always prevent the sufferer from becoming like them, from literally emulating his bullies in their stupid close-mindedness. I know it did for me and a lot other people who did not exactly have the easiest of roads through high school due to other so called "schoolmates" and even family/relatives.
So why didn't it for you? It's a really curious case.
As for myself I'm of course not faultless and I can be called a lot of negative things too. That includes being a gambling addict, lazy, not being happy-go-lucky all day and sometimes suffering from a lack of self-esteem in daily life. In contrast to what you keep representing with almost everything you say however, I would rarely be called a bad human being as far as being open minded and tolerant towards people of different nations, races and sexes is concerned.
Which again I have to say is surprising me about you a lot. As someone who must've also suffered from bullying and discrimination throughout his troubled teenagehood, simply because he was surrounded with shit people who don't have an open mind when it's about things like sexual orientation and pick easy targets, I thought it would almost always prevent the sufferer from becoming like them, from literally emulating his bullies in their stupid close-mindedness. I know it did for me and a lot other people who did not exactly have the easiest of roads through high school due to other so called "schoolmates" and even family/relatives.
So why didn't it for you? It's a really curious case.
isnt this supposed to be a tennis thread? edy you should go to 'edit profile' and change your username to HannibalLecter. this drivel would be much funnier then!
I do not think it should be called drivel and be likened to a famous movie cannibal and psychopath if you mention and question someone's repeated and ongoing either discrimination (or low, hurtful humour) towards whole genders and constant criminalisation of whole nations.
I do not think it's cool to publically and constantly put people under scrutiny and permanent suspicion just because they were born in certain countries, always suggesting there might be a fix on even without the players in question having any reputation at all as being dirty. To also read the same person say public racism should not be punished at all (and hence signal to the public, especially children who look up to soccer players, that it's all cool and accepted), but the law should go after someone who accidentally hurt a classy white man's shin with all it's power and throw down the hammer as hard as possible.
In addition to that I'm also tired about reading the same "WTA players have the IQ of a salad" time after time after time after time. Do you have an idea how often that is said on here without any reason at all? It's gotten a lot better with karbacher vanishing, but as you see it's still around.
I do not think it's cool to publically and constantly put people under scrutiny and permanent suspicion just because they were born in certain countries, always suggesting there might be a fix on even without the players in question having any reputation at all as being dirty. To also read the same person say public racism should not be punished at all (and hence signal to the public, especially children who look up to soccer players, that it's all cool and accepted), but the law should go after someone who accidentally hurt a classy white man's shin with all it's power and throw down the hammer as hard as possible.
In addition to that I'm also tired about reading the same "WTA players have the IQ of a salad" time after time after time after time. Do you have an idea how often that is said on here without any reason at all? It's gotten a lot better with karbacher vanishing, but as you see it's still around.
Stuff like that makes you sad too, doesn't it dlarsson? I know for a fact that you're a decent chap.
I'm a decent chap, but I think we should learn to laugh at everyone and ourselves, sexism is hilarious so please don't try to kill it off.
these are public forums edy. freedom of speech in action. maybe change your name to AdolfHitler if you have an issue with that. or alternatively quit reading them and taking yourself so seriously?
IQ of a salad? I think that is being a bit harsh on radishes and tomatoes to be fair.
Aug 1, 2012 -- 1:44PM, drwankenstein80 wrote:
these are public forums edy. freedom of speech in action. maybe change your name to AdolfHitler if you have an issue with that. or alternatively quit reading them and taking yourself so seriously?
Godwin's Law: ""As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
That being said, don't be a ****ing idiot and educate yourself.
Freedom of speech is an often used excuse to express...controversial views. It does however not cover hateful speech or criminalisation of whole countries and races, but I'm sure you're aware of that.
It does however clearly cover the freedom for me to express my concerns, which I was respectful enough to explain long and verbose instead of simply calling names, about such views. I even asked him to clarify his repeated racist and xenophobic remarks on numerous occasions, including through the private message system, to no avail really.
Instead of looking at the things at hand and thinking about his racial remarks he looks for excuses, blames others and seems to be imagine I'm part of some gang that's out to get him and his statistics. A gang that has supposedly existed since 2006 when he made some website and ever since then they've been trying to ridicule him with every means possible at every opportunity to make devalue his statistics. Which is complete nonsense in regards to me as I don't question his believes whenever he posts one of his statistics.
It's really simple, you know? If he wouldn't post that many unbearably xenophobic things about a whole host of countries we wouldn't be talking about this at all. Again, putting all eastern europeans, italians and argentines under fixing suspicions regardless of their history is not covered by the so often cited freedom of speech. At least it isn't in western democracies. I'm sorry to tell you.
That got nothing to do with me being Hitler, which was funny, yet somewhat tragic, to read as I'm the one with the clear stance against racism here. Not talking about harmless jokes when I say that, there's nothing wrong with those.
This WTA thing: Yeah maybe I overreacted a bit about it in this case. I have to admit somewhat of a fault from my side here as well. He might've simply tried to be humourous there.
It does however clearly cover the freedom for me to express my concerns, which I was respectful enough to explain long and verbose instead of simply calling names, about such views. I even asked him to clarify his repeated racist and xenophobic remarks on numerous occasions, including through the private message system, to no avail really.
Instead of looking at the things at hand and thinking about his racial remarks he looks for excuses, blames others and seems to be imagine I'm part of some gang that's out to get him and his statistics. A gang that has supposedly existed since 2006 when he made some website and ever since then they've been trying to ridicule him with every means possible at every opportunity to make devalue his statistics. Which is complete nonsense in regards to me as I don't question his believes whenever he posts one of his statistics.
It's really simple, you know? If he wouldn't post that many unbearably xenophobic things about a whole host of countries we wouldn't be talking about this at all. Again, putting all eastern europeans, italians and argentines under fixing suspicions regardless of their history is not covered by the so often cited freedom of speech. At least it isn't in western democracies. I'm sorry to tell you.
That got nothing to do with me being Hitler, which was funny, yet somewhat tragic, to read as I'm the one with the clear stance against racism here. Not talking about harmless jokes when I say that, there's nothing wrong with those.
This WTA thing: Yeah maybe I overreacted a bit about it in this case. I have to admit somewhat of a fault from my side here as well. He might've simply tried to be humourous there.
Says the person who drove a Serbian Betfair customer off the site because of the history of his country.
First of all I didn't drive him off the site and secondly I tried to explain that to you and why I think his thinking was dangerous.
If you don't remember, here it is again
If you don't remember, here it is again
Hi,
as you were so wound up about us calling him a nationalistic prick (not directly, but you know....) and so quick to take his side, I would like to ask you something.
Do you think it is cool to not accept facts like mass murder that happened in history of your country? Very recent history even.
If people in a country think that way that is some very dangerous thinking. As pipita has shown he still thinks the serbs were right in that conflict. That it was just a means of getting what belongs to them, to literrally slaughter civilians and refugees.
What would you call me if I said "German war crimes? Ain't ever happened. If they did, it was out good right to do so?". I'd be a ****ing ****, right? Deservedly so.
What would you say if a russian came and told you "Russian soldiers raped thousands of helpless women during the war? Pah, the german women wanted to be properly ****ed by real men" ?
What would you say to an US American who told you "The indians are better off these days. They're allowed to run casinos. We didn't kill that many or robbed them of their land either" ?
What would you say to a japanese man who told you "The Nanking massacre is just something the chinese made up to ruin the reputation of our great nation of Nippon" ?
What do you think if Ahmadinejad again says the Holocaust, one, if not the biggest crime in the history of mankind, is just a lie and never happened?
You see, as someone who grew while always being reminded of the horrible crimes your country, your people committed throughout history I do fully believe that for a good future it is essential to teach and remind people how horrible certain crimes have been. Not tell them they're responsible for them, they're of course not, but it is important to make them realize how awful it was and that it should no matter what be repeated. EVER.
If someone then comes along and basically denies massacres, crimes on humanity, that is just a very dangerous and irresponsible view on things.
I'm not saying people shouldn't be proud of their country, they should be. Turning a blind eye towards crimes that have been committed is a whole different story.
He hasn't been seen on here since, has he? And none of the private message you sent and quoted there had any link to his betting questions.
I advise caution with betting of matches involving players from a number of countries. Experience of betting tells you that there are some nationalities involved in more unusual scores, markets and match results than others. I have posted statistics to show those differences too. It is not xenophobia. I am not scared of those nationalities, nor do I criticise other people who use Betfair because of their nationality. This site would be even better if it could be used by people from every country as it would be more diverse and useful in terms of information. And you exaggerate in reference to 'all Eastern europeans'. I bet with caution on matches involving Russians, former Russians, Serbians and Italians and any combination thereof. I do so because of experience of players from those countries having been involved in unusual markets. And moreso, because the statistics show those variances from the norm.
I want to bet on a fair contest, as do most people on here. Deny that sport is corrupt if you want. I don't dispute what you say when you do that. But you seem to have a problem with those that think the opposite. Fine, too, but to say that someone is xenophobic or racist because they use different factors to you to ensure caution with their bets and they post those, is a bit too assuming.
I advise caution with betting of matches involving players from a number of countries. Experience of betting tells you that there are some nationalities involved in more unusual scores, markets and match results than others. I have posted statistics to show those differences too. It is not xenophobia. I am not scared of those nationalities, nor do I criticise other people who use Betfair because of their nationality. This site would be even better if it could be used by people from every country as it would be more diverse and useful in terms of information. And you exaggerate in reference to 'all Eastern europeans'. I bet with caution on matches involving Russians, former Russians, Serbians and Italians and any combination thereof. I do so because of experience of players from those countries having been involved in unusual markets. And moreso, because the statistics show those variances from the norm.
I want to bet on a fair contest, as do most people on here. Deny that sport is corrupt if you want. I don't dispute what you say when you do that. But you seem to have a problem with those that think the opposite. Fine, too, but to say that someone is xenophobic or racist because they use different factors to you to ensure caution with their bets and they post those, is a bit too assuming.
I'm pretty sure he didn't leave directly after that. By the looks of things he has since been banned. Not surprising due to his foul mouth, but not my doing. Don't blame me for driving somewhat off the site when in fact he probably massivley misbehaved somewhere on the forum and was subsequently banned or given a timeout.
You forgot about romanians and lithuanians which I'm perfectly sure you have made similar remarks about in the past. Lithuanians just last week. You know the problem I have with that is that you look at the nationality. Why not say "hmmmmmm player A has some pretty darn strange scores" instead of also criminalising players that have been pros for years but have never raised any suspicions?
You forgot about romanians and lithuanians which I'm perfectly sure you have made similar remarks about in the past. Lithuanians just last week. You know the problem I have with that is that you look at the nationality. Why not say "hmmmmmm player A has some pretty darn strange scores" instead of also criminalising players that have been pros for years but have never raised any suspicions?
oh, you did write former russians....well...yeah, soviet states and former soviet allies and puppet states don't make up most of eastern europe
Or did you mean....the Kazakhs that have other citizenships now? E.g Shvedova and Pervak?
Matches involving two players from those named countries. It isnt difficult to understand. Tennis is not about individual players, any match fixing is unlikely to be for the profit of the player. Behind the scenes links. The world of tennis you never see on court.
'lose this game, make a profit, next time, when you play this other player, he'll let you win' etc.
Do you think that the fact that some 'lucky losers' lose their qualifying matches so that players they have links with can qualify for a tournament is match fixing, because I do.
Do you think that the fact that some 'lucky losers' lose their qualifying matches so that players they have links with can qualify for a tournament is match fixing, because I do.
So, let's say there was this belgian player who has retired now. He was never really in love with the sport, was only in it for the money especially late in his career. Said player had some pretty darn funny scores, more than most eastern europeans combined (and then there's also this guy, I think he was austrian who had drifts in like....5 consecutive weeks or so).
Anyway, back to the belgian: That belgian and austrian combined were responsible for the majority of clear cut fixes in their fixing prime. Why not put all belgians and austrians under scrutiny? Or at least the belgian's brother?
As for the qualifying thing: If the person loses during qualies on purpose because she wants the other person to get into the draw, while being assured of a place himself/herself, then it is match fixing. Not the bad kind though. It's more of a friendly gesture than evil and organized crime stuff.
Anyway, back to the belgian: That belgian and austrian combined were responsible for the majority of clear cut fixes in their fixing prime. Why not put all belgians and austrians under scrutiny? Or at least the belgian's brother?
As for the qualifying thing: If the person loses during qualies on purpose because she wants the other person to get into the draw, while being assured of a place himself/herself, then it is match fixing. Not the bad kind though. It's more of a friendly gesture than evil and organized crime stuff.
Most match fixing is not for financial gain, I think. It is for reciprocal agreements between the players' teams, for crowd entertainment, for rankings. It is still match fixing, it still affects my betting. And the probability of it being between players from the countries I am more cautious with, is therefore greater than for those I have not seen it with. I have no idea about the Belgian or Austrian players to which you refer, yes they had some strange results, but in terms of statistics for Belgian and Austrian players, there is no major discrepancy from the norm.
Even Murray throwing matches in the UAE because he wanted to prepare for Indian Wells is match fixing. He stated this was what he did, publicly. He knew in advance that they would not win - people who bet on him did not.
how do you know all the "in and outs" of this alleged matchfixing? Or is it only your own take of things that you confuse with factual information?
Aha, I think what you mean could simply be caused by players growing up together and e.g visiting the same academies from a young age and being bffs.
Funnily there's Vinci against Pennetta, who at one point might've or might not have decided to alternate matches (at not so important tournaments). While it's not the most competitive approach I could understand not wanting to kill yourself playing one of your best and few friends and in the interest of friendship to decide alternating matches.
I'm sure it happens that close friends, or at least one of them (with or without the other one knowing), either simply can not or do not want to bring their best effort to the court. Don't think it is done on purpose that often and influences the broader picture, with the masses of matches played each year, that much. Also don't think there are a lot of completely unrelated players agreeing on just manipulating matches for shits and giggles or crowd entertainment. It's not WWE.
But yeah, maybe the friendship angle does happen more often in certain countries that have a more centralised tennis academy structure and with players from the same generation. What about france?
Still doesn't explain "russian vs lithuanian" or "with their nationality and history no bet" when talking about a romanian playing an italian. I do not think Dulgheru, Knapp and Andreev-Berankis are the closest of friends. I don't think russians in general are all that popular in the former annexed regions and they're all vodka sipping brothers.
Funnily there's Vinci against Pennetta, who at one point might've or might not have decided to alternate matches (at not so important tournaments). While it's not the most competitive approach I could understand not wanting to kill yourself playing one of your best and few friends and in the interest of friendship to decide alternating matches.
I'm sure it happens that close friends, or at least one of them (with or without the other one knowing), either simply can not or do not want to bring their best effort to the court. Don't think it is done on purpose that often and influences the broader picture, with the masses of matches played each year, that much. Also don't think there are a lot of completely unrelated players agreeing on just manipulating matches for shits and giggles or crowd entertainment. It's not WWE.
But yeah, maybe the friendship angle does happen more often in certain countries that have a more centralised tennis academy structure and with players from the same generation. What about france?
Still doesn't explain "russian vs lithuanian
" or "with their nationality and history no bet" when talking about a romanian playing an italian. I do not think Dulgheru, Knapp and Andreev-Berankis are the closest of friends. I don't think russians in general are all that popular in the former annexed regions and they're all vodka sipping brothers.
SoA has a point but I have often wondered about how much of a cognitive bias do we suffer from.
For example, French players have a reputation for choking so when a French player does that I just reinforce my beliefs, regardless of the fact that choking is likely individual thing that a national thing.
On the other hand, it is fair to assume that there is in fact a cultural difference between players. For example (fictional), Spaniards are taught from youth to never give up and always fight, while the French believe more in inspiration over perspiration so when things go badly they are more prone to say "it is not my day". Due to this, when they start losing from a winning position they have trouble mentally coping with that.
For example, French players have a reputation for choking so when a French player does that I just reinforce my beliefs, regardless of the fact that choking is likely individual thing that a national thing.
On the other hand, it is fair to assume that there is in fact a cultural difference between players. For example (fictional), Spaniards are taught from youth to never give up and always fight, while the French believe more in inspiration over perspiration so when things go badly they are more prone to say "it is not my day". Due to this, when they start losing from a winning position they have trouble mentally coping with that.
But seriously, look into that. Instead of looking simply at nationalities, put some subtlety and work into it to look at players who went to academies together from a young age, players who are friends, players who grew up together, players who might've even lived together. Stuff like that.
Who was cheering Tsonga on yesterday? Llodra. Let's have a look at their match history. Tsonga 5-0. Llodra retired three times. Do you not think that suggests anything? Llodra has played 620 career matches, 29 retirements. So, doesn't it strike you as odd that he has retired 3 out of 5 times against Tsonga?
I think Llodra is simply a quitter. Maybe he quits a bit more against Tsonga as he doesn't fancy his chances anyway and wants to save them both the trouble.
You however also sometimes have to look at the circumstances. E.g. last time out in Indian Wells Llodra was pissed at everyone and the tournament for the racial controversy he became involved with during his first round match against Gulbis.
You however also sometimes have to look at the circumstances. E.g. last time out in Indian Wells Llodra was pissed at everyone and the tournament for the racial controversy he became involved with during his first round match against Gulbis.
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