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By:
fooubar
When: 09 Jul 11 00:57
You're doing fine, only -1% is really close to making profit.

I'd suggest you use Pinnacle, sometimes you can get better prices there, the 5% commission is not to be underestimated and without it you are beating the markets.
You could probably be in the profit if you just looked for better prices.

Maybe also reduce the number of bets a little and be very careful on underdogs.
I always found it difficult beating 2+ odds on consistent basis, am very selective there.

If you have a bet history make a breakdown of it and look at which price range you are not doing well, maybe also check WTA/ATP and just be more selective in the price ranges where you are not doing well.
By:
fooubar
When: 09 Jul 11 01:08
Ah right, also the starting prices from Pinny are sometimes off.
E.g. Larsson started as an underdog, she already went down to 1.9 so you really can do a lot better if you catch the starting price on there.
This really makes a difference in the long run.
By:
Sifon
When: 09 Jul 11 01:14
Thanks Fouulbar- good adviceHappy tbh I don't look at prices, if I think a player wins, I just back it.
I only use Betfair and 365(for inplay). I'll try other books for better odds
By:
fooubar
When: 09 Jul 11 01:19
Pinnacle is not just some other book ;)
It really is the best out there.

Has odds on almost everything worth betting and very high volumes, also won't limit you if you are a big winner.
Think there are some other really good one as well, but no real need for anything else than Pinnacle & Betfair.
By:
Sifon
When: 09 Jul 11 02:19
Selections 8th July 2011
Budapest Grand Prix 2011
Campbells Hall of Fame 2011
Collector Swedish Open 2011
Davis Cup 2011


Roddick v Ferrer (Backing Andy Roddick in-play, 67 32* 00-00, $50 @ 2.37)
By:
Sifon
When: 09 Jul 11 02:36
Last trade. No red, all green Ferrer, who should win

Selections 8th July 2011
Budapest Grand Prix 2011
Campbells Hall of Fame 2011
Collector Swedish Open 2011
Davis Cup 2011


Roddick v Ferrer (Backing Andy Roddick in-play, 67 *44 30-15, $30 @ 2.50)
By:
Sifon
When: 09 Jul 11 07:18
Results
Selections 8th July 2011
Budapest Grand Prix 2011
Campbells Hall of Fame 2011
Collector Swedish Open 2011
Davis Cup 2011

TRADE -30 Roddick v Ferrer (Backing Andy Roddick in-play, 67 *44 30-15, $30 @ 2.50)
TRADE -50 Roddick v Ferrer (Backing Andy Roddick in-play, 67 32* 00-00, $50 @ 2.37)
TRADE +137.50 Roddick v Ferrer (Backing David Ferrer in-play, *21 00-00, $50 @ 3.75)
WON +62.83 Roddick v Ferrer (Backing David Ferrer, $50 @ 2.32)
LOST -50 O Rochus v Ebden (Laying Rochus 2-0, $41 @ 2.22)
LOST -50 Hercog v Zahlavova Strycova (Backing Barbora Zahlavova Strycova, $50 @ 2.80)
LOST -50 O Rochus v Ebden (Backing Matthew Ebden, $50 @ 2.92)
WON +17.14 Begu v Cabeza Candela (Backing Irina Camelia Begu, $50 @ 1.36)
WON +27.13 Kohlschreiber v Monfils (Backing Gael Monfils, $50 @ 1.57)
VOID Eleskovic v Djokovic (Backing Novak Djokovic, $50 @ 1.01)
LOST -50 Fish v F Lopez (Backing Mardy Fish, $50 @ 1.47)

P&L 8th July 2011 = -35.42
P&L Current Week = -2.48
P&L Total = -523.39

Percentage - Winners: 8th July 2011 = 42.85% (3 out of 7)
Percentage - Winners: Current Week = 65.11% (28 out of 43)
Percentage - Winners: Total = 64.69% (636 out of 983)
Total ROI% - -523.39(P&L)/48064(invested) x 100 = -1.08%
By:
Sifon
When: 09 Jul 11 11:46
Selections 9th July 2011
Budapest Grand Prix 2011
Campbells Hall of Fame 2011
Collector Swedish Open 2011
Davis Cup 2011


Medina Garrigues v Begu (Backing Irina-Camelia Begu in-play, 23* 40-A, $50 @ 1.61)
By:
Sifon
When: 09 Jul 11 11:47
sorry A-40
By:
Sifon
When: 09 Jul 11 12:27
Selections 9th July 2011
Budapest Grand Prix 2011
Campbells Hall of Fame 2011
Collector Swedish Open 2011
Davis Cup 2011


Medina Garrigues v Begu (Backing Anabel Medina Garrigues in-play, 46 12* 00-00, $11.11 @ 5.50)
By:
Sifon
When: 09 Jul 11 14:19
Selections 9th July 2011
Budapest Grand Prix 2011
Campbells Hall of Fame 2011
Collector Swedish Open 2011
Davis Cup 2011


Vinci v Zakopalova (Backing Roberta Vinci in-play, *30 00-40, $50 @ 1.30)
By:
Sifon
When: 10 Jul 11 10:36
Results
Selections 9th July 2011
Budapest Grand Prix 2011
Campbells Hall of Fame 2011
Collector Swedish Open 2011
Davis Cup 2011

WON +15 Vinci v Zakopalova (Backing Roberta Vinci in-play, *30 00-40, $50 @ 1.30)
TRADE -11.11 Medina Garrigues v Begu (Backing Anabel Medina Garrigues in-play, 46 12* 00-00, $11.11 @ 5.50)
WON +30.77 Medina Garrigues v Begu (Backing Irina-Camelia Begu in-play, 23* 40-A, $50 @ 1.61)

P&L 9th July 2011 = +34.66
P&L Current Week = +32.18
P&L Total = -488.73

Percentage - Winners: 9th July 2011 = 100% (2 out of 2)
Percentage - Winners: Current Week = 66.67% (30 out of 45)
Percentage - Winners: Total = 64.77% (638 out of 985)
Total ROI% - -488.73(P&L)/48175.11(invested) x 100 = -1.01%
By:
MissingRibOfPrince
When: 10 Jul 11 11:45
Sifon, you are probably doing better than many of those who are in profit, its all about commission. If you could lower your commission rate....
By:
Big Bad Dog
When: 10 Jul 11 12:04
SIFON  UR A MUG
By:
Sifon
When: 10 Jul 11 12:58
Selections 10th July 2011
Budapest Grand Prix 2011
Campbells Hall of Fame 2011
Collector Swedish Open 2011
Davis Cup 2011


Vinci v Begu (Backing Irina Camelia Begu, $50 @ 2.20)
By:
Sifon
When: 10 Jul 11 16:44
Cry Begu final set 4-1 to 4-6

Selections 10th July 2011
Budapest Grand Prix 2011
Campbells Hall of Fame 2011
Collector Swedish Open 2011
Davis Cup 2011


Isner v Rochus (Backing Olivier Rochus, $50 @ 3.20)
Isner v Rochus (Laying Isner 2-0, $42.37 @ 2.18)
Isner v Rochus (Backing Over 22.5 Games, $50 @ 1.64)
Fish v Ferrer (Backing David Ferrer, $50 @ 1.73)
Roddick v Lopez (Backing Andy Roddick, $50 @ 1.57)
By:
jiggga
When: 10 Jul 11 20:07
u didnt back begu at 1.2?
By:
Sifon
When: 11 Jul 11 03:26
no, i backed her prematch. should have traded.
Rochus Sad managed to screw all 3 bets in 3 points. wins tb = probably wins match. oh well, no excuses

Results
Selections 10th July 2011
Budapest Grand Prix 2011
Campbells Hall of Fame 2011
Collector Swedish Open 2011
Davis Cup 2011

LOST -50 Isner v Rochus (Backing Olivier Rochus, $50 @ 3.20)
LOST -50 Isner v Rochus (Laying Isner 2-0, $42.37 @ 2.18)
LOST -50 Isner v Rochus (Backing Over 22.5 Games, $50 @ 1.64)
WON + Fish v Ferrer (Backing David Ferrer, $50 @ 1.73)
VOID Roddick v Lopez (Backing Andy Roddick, $50 @ 1.57)
LOST -50 Vinci v Begu (Backing Irina Camelia Begu, $50 @ 2.20)

P&L 10th July 2011 = -165.25
P&L Current Week = -133.07
P&L Total = -653.98

Percentage - Winners: 10th July 2011 = 20% (1 out of 5)
Percentage - Winners: Current Week = 62% (31 out of 50)
Percentage - Winners: Total = 64.54% (639 out of 990)
Total ROI% - -653.98(P&L)/48425.11(invested) x 100 = -1.35%
By:
SIR_Bond
When: 11 Jul 11 09:18
Doing well then.. [smiley:crazy]
By:
Sifon
When: 11 Jul 11 12:10
Selections 11th July 2011
Internazionali Femminili di Palermo
Mercedes Cup
Nurnberger Gastein Ladies
SkiStar Swedish Open 2011


Tatishvili v Pironkova (Backing Anna Tatishvili, $50 @ 2.16)
Brianti v Albano (Backing Brianti 2-0, $100 @ 1.20)
Gojnea v Amanmuradova (Backing Madalina Gojnea, $100 @ 1.73)
Gojnea v Amanmuradova (Backing Gojnea 2-0, $100 @ 2.66)
Benesova v Hofmanova (Backing Iveta Benesova, $100 @ 1.20)
Zahlavova v Hradecka (Backing Lucie Hradecka, $100 @ 1.21)
Stakhovsky v Pospisil (Backing Sergiy Stakobsky, $100 @ 1.39)

http://i53.tinypic.com/6z5ug7.png
By:
Sifon
When: 11 Jul 11 14:48
Selections 11th July 2011
Internazionali Femminili di Palermo
Mercedes Cup
Nurnberger Gastein Ladies
SkiStar Swedish Open 2011


Zahlavova v Hradecka (Backing Lucie Hradecka in-play, 75 30* 40-15, $50 @ 4.33)
By:
Sifon
When: 11 Jul 11 15:00
Selections 11th July 2011
Internazionali Femminili di Palermo
Mercedes Cup
Nurnberger Gastein Ladies
SkiStar Swedish Open 2011


Stakhovsky v Pospisil (Backing Sergiy Stakobsky in-play, 46 *00, 00-00, $50 @ 2.10)
By:
Sifon
When: 11 Jul 11 15:22
Selections 11th July 2011
Internazionali Femminili di Palermo
Mercedes Cup
Nurnberger Gastein Ladies
SkiStar Swedish Open 2011


Junqueira v Mertens (Backing Diego Junqueira in-play, *10 00-00, $100 @ 1.14)
By:
jiggga
When: 11 Jul 11 23:36
i reckon u will reach rome's -8k soon ;)
By:
Sifon
When: 12 Jul 11 00:50
I'll quit long before that happens.

For the so called experts. Where did I go wrong? Did I really screw up the Aman bet? Was Hradecka and Benesova bad bets?

I don't think so
By:
Sifon
When: 12 Jul 11 01:18
So much for reducing the bets and increasing the stakes. That worked well. lol

Alternative stategy tonight
By:
carlos monzon
When: 12 Jul 11 01:27
Ur pre match betting is excellent.

Thing is small tounament betting is just to solid, especialy on hardcourt.

Think about it ur not that far from evns.

Gambling is a patient game man.

See the thing here is ur trying to win money everyday. Y dnt u just try to stick in there.

Thing is if u can get it into the green right now, u will have ran this thread for 1 year and still be in profit after commision with mainly backing pre-match. Now that's a betfair record. No1 has ever done it before.

Ur not doing that bad, trust me. I also think u should vary ur amount.

Eg u bet 100 and 50. Y dnt u try betting some matches for 25. This will also help the reader as they will then know which of ur bets u fancy most in order of the amount placed.

1 thing that seems to work for me is bet low if ur on a bit of a losing run, but if u seem to be on a good run dnt be afraid to back a bit more.

So far, uv never chased which is summit I rate  about this thread.
By:
Sifon
When: 12 Jul 11 09:50
Selections 11th July 2011
Internazionali Femminili di Palermo
Mercedes Cup
Nurnberger Gastein Ladies
SkiStar Swedish Open 2011


Knittel v Ferrero (Backing Juan Carlos Ferrero, $40 @ 1.33)
Monfils v Hanescu (Backing Gael Monfils, $40 @ 1.31)
Del Bonis v F Mayer (Backing Florian Mayer, $40 @ 1.25)
Youzhny v Petzschner (Backing Philipp Petzschner, $40 @ 2.36)
Kubot v Gimeno Traver (Backing Lukasz Kubot, $40 @ 1.56)
Kamke v Chardy (Backing Tobias Kamke, $40 @ 2.66)
Zakopalova v Pivovarova (Backing Klara Zakopalova, $40 @ 1.40)
Karatantcheva v Vinci (Backing Roberta Vinci, $40 @ 1.25)
Cetkovska v Bovina (Backing Petra Cetkovska, $40 @ 1.32)
Parmentier v Craybas (Backing Pauline Parmentier, $40 @ 1.28)
Johansson v Rezai (Backing Aravene Rezai, $40 @ 1.56)
Kulikova v Errani (Backing Sara Errani, $40 @ 1.31)
Medina Garrigues v Floris (Backing Anabel Medina Garrigues, $40 @ 1.08)
Begu v Camerin (Backing Irina Camelia Begu, $40 @ 1.29)
Kudryavtseva v Kolar (Backing Alla Kudryavtseva, $40 @ 2.12)
Larsson v Gajdosova (Backing Jarmila Gajdosova, $40 @ 1.38)
Goerges v Pous Tio (Backing Julia Goerges, $40 @ 1.22)
Mayr Achleitner v Dominguez Lino (Laying Dominguez Lino 2-0, $29.07 @ 2.72)
Ormaechea v Martinez Sanchez (Backing Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez, $50 @ 1.11)
Parra Santonja v Govortsova (Backing Arantxa Parra Santonja, $50 @ 1.67)
A Bondarenko v Meusburger (Backing Yvonne Meusburger, $50 @ 2.18)

http://i54.tinypic.com/6dvodg.png
By:
Sifon
When: 12 Jul 11 10:08
Selections 11th July 2011
Internazionali Femminili di Palermo
Mercedes Cup
Nurnberger Gastein Ladies
SkiStar Swedish Open 2011


Gabashvili v Yani (Backing Teymuraz Gabashvili, $40 @ 1.28)
Starace v Reister (Backing Potito Starace, $40 @ 1.25)
Ryderstedt v Gonzalez (Backing Maximo Gonzalez, $40 @ 1.22)
Riba v Lindell (Backing Pere Riba, $40 @ 1.14)
By:
Pizarro
When: 12 Jul 11 11:19
sifon maybe you should focus on 2-3 matches a day, backing favs on small tounaments wil bring no profit at all.

Gl for today
By:
fooubar
When: 12 Jul 11 11:28
Just read my advice again, you kind of doing the wrong things now and no one said you should bet big all of the sudden was nothing wrong with what you were staking before.
By:
Sifon
When: 12 Jul 11 12:07
pizarro i tried that other day (5 selections) and failed miserably :(
thanks fooubar, i will. ill see whats happens today

i forgot to write a few selections, however they're in the screenshotHappy
By:
fooubar
When: 12 Jul 11 12:27
This is not about one day,
this is about days/months,
patience and disciple is required, you can't really know anything from how one day goes,
because edges are small and you could easily lose 10 value bets ending up losing a lot although you made good bets.
By:
Sifon
When: 12 Jul 11 23:56
Results
Selections 11th July 2011
Internazionali Femminili di Palermo
Mercedes Cup
Nurnberger Gastein Ladies
SkiStar Swedish Open 2011

WON +14 Junqueira v Mertens (Backing Diego Junqueira in-play, *10 00-00, $100 @ 1.14)
LOST -50 Tatishvili v Pironkova (Backing Anna Tatishvili, $50 @ 2.16)
WON +23.80 Brianti v Albano (Backing Brianti 2-0, $100 @ 1.25)
LOST -100 Gojnea v Amanmuradova (Backing Madalina Gojnea, $100 @ 1.73)
LOST -100 Gojnea v Amanmuradova (Backing Gojnea 2-0, $100 @ 2.66)
LOST -100 Benesova v Hofmanova (Backing Iveta Benesova, $100 @ 1.20)
TRADE -50 Zahlavova v Hradecka (Backing Lucie Hradecka in-play, 75 30* 40-15, $50 @ 4.33)
LOST -100 Zahlavova v Hradecka (Backing Lucie Hradecka, $100 @ 1.21)
TRADE +55 Stakhovsky v Pospisil (Backing Sergiy Stakobsky in-play, 46 *00, 00-00, $50 @ 2.10)
WON +37.13 Stakhovsky v Pospisil (Backing Sergiy Stakobsky, $100 @ 1.39)

P&L 11th July 2011 = -320.07
P&L Current Week = -320.07
P&L Total = -974.05

Percentage - Winners: 11th July 2011 = 28.57% (2 out of 7)
Percentage - Winners: Current Week = 28.57% (2 out of 7)
Percentage - Winners: Total = 64.29% (641 out of 997)
Total ROI% - -974.05(P&L)/49175.11(invested) x 100 = -1.98%
By:
Sifon
When: 13 Jul 11 00:20
Results
Selections 11th July 2011
Internazionali Femminili di Palermo
Mercedes Cup
Nurnberger Gastein Ladies
SkiStar Swedish Open 2011

WON +11.43 Gabashvili v Yani (Backing Teymuraz Gabashvili, $40 @ 1.28)
WON +10 Starace v Reister (Backing Potito Starace, $40 @ 1.25)
LOST -40 Ryderstedt v Gonzalez (Backing Maximo Gonzalez, $40 @ 1.22)
WON +5.72 Riba v Lindell (Backing Pere Riba, $40 @ 1.14)
WON +12.57 Knittel v Ferrero (Backing Juan Carlos Ferrero, $40 @ 1.33)
PENDING Monfils v Hanescu (Backing Gael Monfils, $40 @ 1.31)
LOST -40 Del Bonis v F Mayer (Backing Florian Mayer, $40 @ 1.25)
LOST -40 Youzhny v Petzschner (Backing Philipp Petzschner, $40 @ 2.36)
WON +21.32 Kubot v Gimeno Traver (Backing Lukasz Kubot, $40 @ 1.56)
LOST -40 Kamke v Chardy (Backing Tobias Kamke, $40 @ 2.66)
WON +15.23 Crivol v Andujar (Backing Pablo Andujar, $40 @ 1.40)
WON +110.43 Davydenko v Stebe (Backing Cedrik Marcel Stebe, $40 @ 3.90)
WON +33.51 Danilldou v Mijacika (Backing Ani Mikacika, $40 @ 1.88)
WON +26.66 Cirstea v Hlavackova (Backing Sorana Cirstea, $40 @ 1.70)
WON +15.23 Zakopalova v Pivovarova (Backing Klara Zakopalova, $40 @ 1.40)
WON +9.52 Karatantcheva v Vinci (Backing Roberta Vinci, $40 @ 1.25)
WON +12.19 Cetkovska v Bovina (Backing Petra Cetkovska, $40 @ 1.32)
WON +10.66 Parmentier v Craybas (Backing Pauline Parmentier, $40 @ 1.28)
LOST -40 Johansson v Rezai (Backing Aravene Rezai, $40 @ 1.56)
WON +11.80 Kulikova v Errani (Backing Sara Errani, $40 @ 1.31)
WON +3.05 Medina Garrigues v Floris (Backing Anabel Medina Garrigues, $40 @ 1.08)
WON +11.04 Begu v Camerin (Backing Irina Camelia Begu, $40 @ 1.29)
LOST -40 Kudryavtseva v Kolar (Backing Alla Kudryavtseva, $40 @ 2.12)
LOST -40 Larsson v Gajdosova (Backing Jarmila Gajdosova, $40 @ 1.38)
LOST -40 Goerges v Pous Tio (Backing Julia Goerges, $40 @ 1.22)
WON +27.67 Mayr Achleitner v Dominguez Lino (Laying Dominguez Lino 2-0, $29.07 @ 2.72)
WON +5.24 Ormaechea v Martinez Sanchez (Backing Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez, $50 @ 1.11)
WON +31.89 Parra Santonja v Govortsova (Backing Arantxa Parra Santonja, $50 @ 1.67)
WON +56.17 A Bondarenko v Meusburger (Backing Yvonne Meusburger, $50 @ 2.18)

P&L 12th July 2011 = +121.33
P&L Current Week = -198.74
P&L Total = -852.72

Percentage - Winners: 12th July 2011 = 71.42% (20 out of 28)
Percentage - Winners: Current Week = 62.85% (22 out of 35)
Percentage - Winners: Total = 64.48% (661 out of 1025)
Total ROI% - -852.72(P&L)/50335.11(invested) x 100 = -1.69%
By:
carlos monzon
When: 13 Jul 11 02:18
Keep in dere sifon.

Ur doing just fine. Keep small. Stakes up until u s open.

If ur abt 700 down by then that will be cool, I think u will win over 700 in that tourney
By:
dlarssonf
When: 13 Jul 11 11:13
Sifon you seem a decent guy and you keep the thread running even though you are down.  I will throw in my tuppence worth without meaning to cause offence.

You are not learning anything from your mistakes, you just keep posting basically the same strategy day in day out.  You can only succeed long term if you have an edge or backing / laying value.  Picking 15 matches per day etc is madness.  Are you saying that the layers have got every match wrong?  I know you don't believe in value but thats why you are in the red.  You need to only back when you have VALUE... and value doesn't mean backing long odds, value can occur at any price. 

Personally I think you should use this thread as a learning curve and with a bit of refinement and work at your selections you could well possibly turn it around but yesterday for example you were involved in 29 matches - crazy!!!

Anyhow I hope you turn it around
By:
noovae1
When: 13 Jul 11 11:52
You have all the advice you need already.

Look for better prices, edges are so small, each 1% is important.
Don't bet so many matches, it's really too much,
especially in those small tournaments,
where it is so tough to get the favorites right.

Good luck! [;)]
By:
Sifon
When: 13 Jul 11 15:51
Thanks novae1 and dlarssonf. I'll reply tomorrow :)

Selections 12th July 2011
Internazionali Femminili di Palermo
Mercedes Cup
Nurnberger Gastein Ladies
SkiStar Swedish Open 2011


Cetkovska v Amanmuradova (Backing Petra Cetkovska, $100 @ 1.34)
Cetkovska v Amanmuradova (Backing Cetkovska 2-0, $100 @ 1.84)
Brianti v Hercog (Laying Hercog 2-0, $33.79 @ 2.48)
Chardy v Giraldo (Laying Giraldo 2-0, $29.07 @ 2.72)
Chardy v Giraldo (Backing Jeremy Chardy, $50 @ 2.32)
By:
Sifon
When: 16 Jul 11 10:15
Selections 16th July 2011
Internazionali Femminili di Palermo
Mercedes Cup
Nurnberger Gastein Ladies
SkiStar Swedish Open 2011


Medina Garrigues v Cetkovska (Backing Petra Cetkovska, $100 @ 2.68)
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