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Eurovision 2025
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Israel, (The People's Champion), received 12pts from
ROTW AUS AZE BEL FRA GER LUX NET POR SPA SWE SWI UK and 10pts from CYP CZE FIN IRE NOR SAN That's 19 votes for Israel to win or come second, more than 50% of all votes, a ROMPING!!! And their JV? One 12, two 7s, one 6... and ZERO(!!!) from 22 countries!!!!!! Gotta chortle at the brazenness of it all... |
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Those figures at the top ^^^, all those 12s and 10s, are for TV
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Do they release no of votes per country.
Absolutelyb zero chance the public vote was not **** |
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Racingqueen Joined: 02 Jul 11
Replies: 879418 May 25 18:09 Do they release no of votes per country. If you mean the breakdown of which countries TV gave 12 pts, 10pts, etc to which country, then; https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2025#scoreboard-public Sorry, don't know about the number of individual voters in each country |
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Thx for looking Escapee. Normally sm following doesn't give any benefit on bb. David Potts?
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Yeah, That's the guy, donno why I didn't recognise him initially.
So I recognised him from a documentary circa 2008-2010 about the then very new phenomena of making money from social media. He was about 16-18, making big bucks setting up pop up shops for a day, charging £200 for a T shirt etc, he would have a thousand of his followers queuing outside the shop by 9am and everything would sell out before 5pm. I can't remember all the numbers but I think he was a millionaire from it. He certainly knew how to mobilise his social media followers back then so I thought he was a good bet. I don't watch these BB type reality shows or know one celebrity from another. So when my bet didn't get matched I thought I dunno what I'm doing, cancel it. 2024 winner... lol I've been searching around 2018-2020  |
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Searched the CBB24 thread and found the question I remember asking... and you were the one who answered it
 , Thanks
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Albania doubled in the side markets very early on in the final. And the money came for Estonia. That certainly seemed to suggest jury knowledge. Austria were backed and France and Finland drifted (also the exact moves you would make with the jury score). And money was very solid for Sweden which makes sense as it was widely thought they would beat Austria in a televote by over 100+. Each to their own but the evidence is there I think.
The Albania doubling in the side markets alone before the end of the second song of the contest has got to ask you why? Let alone all the other moves which tally with jury knowledge |
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Wow, a lot more to David Potts than I knew.
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AR I think you've got something if Albania drifted and Estonia shortened France was T3 with juries but drifted straight after she sang. I don't get France drifting from jury knowledge. She did well with juries - T3. IIRC she drifted after she sang.
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CORRECTION....
AR I think you've got something if Albania drifted and Estonia shortened early on. I don't get France drifting from jury knowledge. She did well with juries - T3. IIRC she drifted after she sang. |
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If you take that view that the jury vote leaked then France had to win the jury vote comfortably to be able to win the OR. It was never likely to fly on the televote. But the price held up until she performed. I don't see how Sweden on 126 and 6th with juries screamed 'let's smash it at odds on', personally. Would be the opposite, as it panned out when the juries were revealed.
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On the other hand, Austria on 258 and a big lead would encourage money. Which, again, happened when it was revealed.
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If I knew the jury score I would have been backed Austria for a lot and had a saver on Sweden and Estonia and backed Estonia in the Top markets and opposed Albania which is exactly where the early money was (Austria heavily punted and Estonia, chunks in the 30s - over halving in price). Albania went from 3.5 to 6.0 in the Top 5 (which suddenly became a great lay with their horror jury score). Interestingly UK last place also was then really opposed with money for Iceland and San Marino (again tallying with the healthy jury score of UK and the 0s for the latter). Of course it might be nothing, but the movements were pretty odd and tally exactly with what you would do with that jury information if that was your inclination.
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I backed Austria 4.1 ish and laid Sweden close to odds on after seeing the semi. Sweden was a bit bigger at the post, and so was Austria. I believe some people thought Austria didn't have a great jury show. Estonia money can be explained by online momentum and social media noise after the semi. Can't speak on Albania as I didn't have them on my betting radar.
I did actually have a small bet on UK last place during the week, and laid it off during the show at shorter. There was some real howlers left in! It doesn't mean there wasn't knowledge in the market, EV has often screamed that there is. But I didn't get that feel this year. |
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I think AR's right. Brilliant bit of detective work. The jury scores would have been collated over 20 hours before the Final but it seems like our insider only got them at the start of the Final.
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I'm not getting this jury scored leaked thing.
Austria odds were slow to come in, didn't make favourites till 23:36 (looking back in this thread when I commented as such) and they soon (with in a minute or 2) dropped back to 2nd favourites again. In my mind after the first 10 jury votes Sweden were getting very little scores and it was obvious they were in deep trouble, the market wasn't reacting much to this swedish calamity. And then when the public votes were being announced, after isreal, estonia, poland and albania picked up huge chunks, it was obvious (IMHO) that sweden were not going to get 100 more than Austria. I was a few sheets to the wind by then, but that's how I remember it. The market got it wrong, and held on to it's belief way beyond the point it should have. I didn't see any signs of leaks on Austria or Sweden, but I wasn't paying attention to Estonia or Albania. |
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Dunno if it's hit the press yet but there's accusations Israel used bot votes and complaints from 4 countries who have found them already
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Partially reported by telegraph i see, but it looks more widespread and serious
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Israeli bots, obviously, naturally.
Cambridge Analytica was 2016, This is 2025, look out the window, turn on the TV world news. Elon's AI grok has been programmed to talk about white genocide in SA when asked a totally different question, of course there will be Isreali bots voting in ESC. Don't moan about the playing field, observe it and bet accordingly or find another playing field to bet on. |
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I think people are entitled to moan about cheating. Old fashioned view perhaps
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Bear in mind there was great chunks on Estonia from 80+ into mid 30s at the same time as Albania drifting in the side markets and the money for Austria. Someone made some perfect moves that's for sure!
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So the original market got Sweden badly wrong, and the insiders' analysis was even worse!
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My fav E song without doubt.Nicole A little peace
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Ein Bischen Frieden
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Perhaps mine too, a beautiful little song
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One of the earlier examples of the 'pimp spot' effect also that one.
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The very first #Eurovision artist for 2026 has officially been revealed
Representing Cyprus will be ANTIGONI - who is a previous contestant of Love Island UK! |
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Ah I've been following her on IG for a while
that's funny |
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Should be a new thread
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