Rory's ride to t3 glory, well ok kinda meh...

Anything near evens surely a value lay on kjt.  No idea why she's popular in the market

It proved how little interest there was in engaging in who won. As an endearing family moment motivated a vote got him over the line. The audience must be also well down, since it was must watch telly. I must not talk myself into getting involved!

RATINGS for Sports Personality of the Year almost halved this year as millions turned off the BBC’s “boring” awards do.

Even at its peak, just 4.75million tuned in on Sunday night to see F1 hero Lewis Hamilton crowned as this year’s top prize winner — down from 8.6million for the 2019 show.

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3.3 million I'm seeing for ly.

Crumbs that shocking, 8.6 to 3.3 in 4 years.

2019 stokes won, quite a decent year. It'll bounce back a bit if england win the euros or they have a great limpics

There's a lot of bollocks to sit through to get to the rub

Do a one hour vt only sports review of the year, then just go over for the vts and vote and do that bit within an hour. Pay lineker less too

One of my finer moments! Got a small bit of Farah at 300-and-something, (forgotten exactly), maybe an hour before the programme; after he won, Betfair released adverts quoting my bet

I do wonder if some lineker toxicity is harming it and they should just get claire balding-fanny to do the whole lot ;)

probably be really low ratings this year, the lower the better for rory backers

Same year, Joshua was matched at 1.01 for T3; gubbed

Oh yeah :)

iirc there used to be betting on last place back in the day!

I'm backing frankie

poor Frankie, going be before a french psychopath

So its been a 6 year long wait for the northern irish to get behind one of there own, every year they've had a runner they've had a place.
Its just rory is no ordinary runner, he is one of the country's greatest ever sportmen. In this p1ss weak year will he really not place ?

2017 Rea 2nd 83,000 votes
2014 rory 2nd 123,000 votes
2013 McCoy 3rd 57,000 votes
2011 clarke 2nd 42,000 rory unplaced 11,000 votes
2010 McCoy 1st 293,000 votes Graeme McDowell unplaced 52,000 votes

before bear pipes up i only went back as far as 2008 coz wiki has no info beyond that

Rory's rise to fame started in 2011

Pretty impressive record.

His country should get him a place alone, so a few twitter divs need not apply

McDowell unplaced 52,000 votes, that was super impressive for a golfer considering McCoy's total

2023 frankie 10th 31 votes

Yep, and for one with the weirdest mid atlantic accent in christendom

just devil's advocate here as I'm not playing obs. golf seems prehistoric since since Tiger. does anyone care about it any more? I used to take annual leave for Monday am so I could watch the final round of the Masters, now I couldn't tell you who won the last one.

I could and I'm not a golf fan

Massive **** who just did the dirty on rory and went to Liv

golf is big in big golfing nations northern ireland is one

Portrush vote alone enough for t3 . Back in the postcard days they'd have needed a bulk carrier

What a delusional thread

There's 1 decent poll, and Rory is bottom of it

If your're a kid growing up in northern ireland as of 2005 you only have one sporting hero

If your're a kid growing up in northern Ireland as of 2005, who could throw a molotov cocktail the furthest was the only sport you were interested in.

lol

oh well thats me done again if Rory don't place he'll be the 1st mug since 2008 not too
tatty bye

Bear never gets anything wrong :) 

That's because you have to go back about 4 years to find a thread he started and rhat was about an scd spoiler :(

lol bear has mocked all my winning bets, its tradition

not sure why people are saying he shouldn't have been nommed, even the lesser stat of 13 top 10 finishes from 18 starts is impressive given 150 usually start a tournament

Dec 12, 2023 -- 9:45PM, bearcub wrote:

What a delusional thread

lol

Dec 12, 2023 -- 8:58PM, GeorgeBrush wrote:

I do wonder if some lineker toxicity is harming it and they should just get claire balding-fanny to do the whole lot ;)

...there's 4 of them now at it with Alex Scott roped in, lol

Dec 12, 2023 -- 4:32PM, GeorgeBrush wrote:

True i suppose. Only me and figgy watched the letics. The ratings people couldn't find anyone watching. The spoty jury didn't watch either seeing as how they've dumped the jock lad!

Josh Kerr's Gold at the WAC in the 1500m beating Ingebrigtsen was probably the single standout performance of the year
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-12853987/World-champion-Josh-Kerr-snubbed-BBC-Sports-Personality-Year-shortlist.html

"One Of The Great British Performances!" | Kerr Stuns Ingebrigtsen To Claim Gold | Eurosport
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRxEdZodsgY

KJT lost to Raheem Sterling and came bang last when last nominated

Do you have evidence for that?   I didn't think they separated the b3

You could claim that DAS took the letics vote from her, but you could also say the mighty earps will punch her vote this time

*munch

So many numpties on 1 thread

Unbelievable scenes

Remember not to say anything that may incriminate you later bear :)

My new strategy is back everything, backtrack, back everything again, then settle on whoever goes favourite, with the caveat that i may change my mind

Works for others

Working well for army, especially on bb :)

You should try never having an opinion, bc. Just trolling. It would suit you.

I've got an opinion on you Cider, if that helps

Na. But if it makes you feel good, fire away.

Who knew this would be the most popular thread on bf :)

After your Xmas #1 thread of course !

Lol, yeah don't forget my commission :p

I think Frankie has a 2nd massive hurdle to overcome outside of no regional support.

So are we too presume a very large portion of the female audience will be voting for Earps, and some for KJT. Meaning Frankie and Rory will be relying heavily on the mens vote but Rory has northern Island as back up. This means Frankie's chances mostly lay with men race goers.
Now call be cynical but how many fans watch there sport for the love of it, most golf fans are loaded coz rich people don't gamble as much as poor people. You never ever see a bookie in rich suburbs. Anyway thats a side issue, most people who watch golf, athletics etc do it coz they love the sport.
Now how many men watch racing for the love of it lol not very many, nearly trying to win the shopping money back, and how many men are looking at the SPOTY market right now and have already given up on Frankie. Knowing Earps is such a big fav and woke this woke that, joey barton etc etc.
From a racing punters point of view, this race is over so whats the point of me voting. I don't see any big motivation to fill out the forms from his demographic myself.

The campaign if it even gets off the ground is only going to work with people involved in racing at a work level, who are in the sport for the love of it.

i mean the bookies could always throw some adverts in the shops they have left to vote frankie, bu the only people in there mind are the addicts on the FOBT's.

Too many negatives to overcome for me, its all gonna boil down to northern island v liverpool

Its like the jungle again, the market siding with frankie over bellew  pre show
now it siding with him again over Rory
frankie was one time fav for CBB

The market simply gives him too much respect

Kjt too.  OR if she was 200 I'd still think that was a lay.

Just can't see which trees she's pulling up.  Even hewitt has a bit of novelty factor, you can't rule him out of t3

i'd give Hewitt far more of a chance than frankie if that helps, pretty harsh but full bodied athletes seem to get more clout, i guess the competition for the less abled is very weak. Seems to be the same few who do very very well.

Hewitt will barely touch the NI vote, everything still points towards Rory being huge value, given his proven track record and NI's and the decent vote count he got in 2014.
9 years a very long wait, they are proud people over there and will see a podium has a victory as has happened many times in SPOTY

9 years for Rory, 6 years since a NI runner

Market probably thinks the lads will get nobbled. KJT being a beneficiary. Which is not an entirely unreasonable hypothesis. They also abandoned a national sport, and hate the other one.

Need to be factored in how influential the presentation and edit is. Most likely very, for any casuals with no predetermined pick.

Dec 13, 2023 -- 8:04AM, GeorgeBrush wrote:

Do you have evidence for that?

just boils down to whether Rory's home nation gets behind him or not, i'd like to think so and he p1sses a place for me

Dumb, dumber and dumberer

casuals will be voting for earps in droves

Stick to the outright army, don't blow your profits on fools gold

...correct George, since 2017 when the woke BBC last published the voting figures in which the top 8 of 12 were men and the bottom 4 of 12 were women, they no longer publish the voting figures just in case some snowflake gets all upset about finishing last with the public, all in all meaning we no longer know who places 4-6.

ive only had a speculative punt bear at 5/1, works out 10% of earps profit. not betting more than that, does seem to be weighted heavily if the NI bother voting for him.
i fully expect the earps VT to be massive for her, the places will be way way behind, won't take much for 3rd

Awww cry some more

anyone know the person who achieved the lowest number of votes and the lowest percentage of total votes since 2002?

nope

2002-2017 most votes cast = 1,626,718 in 2012 (12 noms) - London Olympics
2002-2017 fewest votes cast = 341,959 in 2011 (10 male noms) - held on a Thursday night

2011 must be the one where i tried to persuade amir khan's manager (uncle or someone) that he should step aside and let adlington in.  Would have been amazing press for him.  Ultimately they politely declined and he finished last of the 10 men, with about 9k votes. Unlucky amir

Looking back now a ten man shortlist seems bizarre.  I don't think it was a great year for the lasses but adlington was a double world champion

It's similar to Crimbo #1 on that way, and Pogues. The romantic notion of the NI general public gathering behind a national sporting hero for them to do well in spoty is archaic. Rory may well go on to snaffle a place, but it won't be due to that.

Still **** ash flicking male journos choosing then

Cigarette

Well if rory bags a place i'm pretty certain a high proportion of votes will be coming from NI

...yes I remember that - it was when the 27 invited papers still chose the shortlist and Amir had 7 noms and Rebecca and Jenson Button had 6 noms both just missing out

interestingly this is how the noms were chosen:

27/27 Rory McIlroy
26/27 Darren Clarke
25/27 Mo Farah
23/27 Mark Cavendish
18/27 Alastair Cook
17/27 Dai Greene
14/27 Andrew Strauss
14/27 Andy Murray
11/27 Luke Donald
7/27 Amir Khan
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6/27 Rebecca Adlington, Jenson Button
5/27 KerriAnne Payne, Graeme Swann
4/27 Jimmy Andersom, Stuart Braod, Sam Warburton
3/27 Chrissie Wellington, Gareth Bale, Carl Froch, Sam Waley-Cohen, Scott Parker, Sarah Stevenson, Sam Tomkins
2/27 Victoria Pendleton, Kath Grainger
1/27 x 24

If khan had dropped out people would still remember that now

Mostly the general public no longer care about spoty. Online now gives a jaundiced view of the real world. There are about 700 middle class types working for my company in England, I would be surprised if there is a single conversation about it before the event. And no, I'm not in the 700. (I'm upper class!)

say 10 - 15 years ago it would be subjects of debates at the barista bar etc. who deserves it most and all that. perhaps even a bit 5 years ago.

Dec 13, 2023 -- 11:26AM, Jim Duncan wrote:

anyone know the person who achieved the lowest number of votes and the lowest percentage of total votes since 2002?

Danny Willett, 2016 Masters Green Jacket Winner, received just 2,227 votes 0.30% of the 747,788 total votes in 2016

Dec 13, 2023 -- 11:54AM, Cider wrote:

Mostly the general public no longer care about spoty. Online now gives a jaundiced view of the real world. There are about 700 middle class types working for my company in England, I would be surprised if there is a single conversation about it before the event. And no, I'm not in the 700. (I'm upper class!)

...the BBC have ruined Sports Personality with their wokeness and as has been said Lineker doesn't help the cause

Dec 13, 2023 -- 11:54AM, Cider wrote:

Mostly the general public no longer care about spoty. Online now gives a jaundiced view of the real world. There are about 700 middle class types working for my company in England, I would be surprised if there is a single conversation about it before the event. And no, I'm not in the 700. (I'm upper class!)

I'm getting distinct bailey vibes here :)

2000 votes for winning the masters, that's shocking :)

It's partly that imv, but it's partly simply down to technology and how we operate differently. Families don't tend to gather around the TV to regularly watch events any more. The royal Xmas speech is one of the few annual ones left. We tend to lead atomised lives, not wishing to get too deep lol. Most people under 40 would rather be scrolling through their phone or netflix than watch spoty. And the bbc is deliberately turning away the over 40s, courting the under 40 audience that are not interested in linear tv.

Ultimately I don't think anyone could prevent the inevitable decline of linear, appointment to view broadcasting. They could delay the inevitable though.

Dec 13, 2023 -- 9:00AM, Cider wrote:

You should try never having an opinion, bc. Just trolling. It would suit you.

Sadly they don't have opinios, just tries to belittle others. Such a brave soldier !

Bear baiting day :)

You should try having an opinion when something isn't odds on rmb , ya big nonce

cashed out for now, Rory not even bothered recognising being shortlisted. never been a good sign that for previous runners, if he can't be bothered why should his supporters and more importantly why should i.

Dec 13, 2023 -- 2:37PM, bearcub wrote:

You should try having an opinion when something isn't odds on rmb , ya big nonce

I tipped up Nella and Tony (mid 20s) in IAC and Frankie and Nigel (single figures) on the main thread. I often do. I agree, people should have opinions at any stage. Though nothing wrong with stating an odds on shot as value either, that's what puts bread on the table my dear friend

Nella and Tony as backs* (mid 20s) in IAC and Frankie and Nigel as lays* (single figures)

Still Rory is AWOL, he only give this season 7/10 from a personal point of view. Obviously last time he was nommed he won two majors and the ryder cup, maybe he feels this is a token effort and feels sympathy for Kerr. Whatever his reasons for staying quiet it continues to look like a snubb.

ah i think i have worked it out, last year Fitz was robbed of a place on the short list, uproar ensued across golf.
maybe Rory feels embarrassed about being handed a political place on the list, after all he's the self appointed voice of golf now. After being so vocal about the Liv tour, he would look hypocritical possibly by accepting being on the list after Fitz was completely ignored the year before.
It feels like i didn't do enough and don't deserve it...who cares !!


In June 2022, he won his first major championship at the U.S. Open, with a one-shot victory at The Country Club in Brookline, Massachusetts – the same venue where he won the U.S. Amateur in 2013. He joined Jack Nicklaus as the second male golfer to win a U.S Open and a U.S. Amateur title at the same venue.

oh dear ive just seen this as well, i think there is now two huge reasons why he couldn't give a monkeys, doubt he'll even turn up.

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https://www.golfmagic.com/pga-tour/outrage-bbc-declines-chance-show-pga-tour-coverage-free



Their reason to decline?

"It does not suit the demographic."

A source tells The Telegraph:

"The PGA Tour was willing to give away the highlights to the BBC for a potential programme that could have gone out every Monday night, or even just when it chose, such as for The Players Championship.
"It would not have had to pay any rights fees. This offer was made on multiple occasions, including in recent years. But the answer came back that it was not interested because it ‘does not suit the demographic’ the BBC is trying to reach.   
"That is a stunning attitude, even if you simply look at this week and see that Rory McIlroy has a chance to go back to World No.1 and so many other UK players are teeing it up.
"The BBC would rather get down with the kids and instead put out stuff like the UFC."

On rtv today they discussed Frankie and spoty. Very underwhelming, apparently he said something along the lines of if he was starting out in his career today, he would do it in another jurisdiction So no appetite for a full throated campaign.

Jaysus