*** ESC 2016 - Frans "If I Were Sorry" Sweden ***

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_tspk1ifFI

I hadn't started watching it in 2008. Based on Laka I think that's a good thing.

I do like the other stuff you mentioned though.

It's one of my all time favourites. It still makes me smile when he emerges from the washing basket. A cracking tune too

I'm with Henry VIII.  Based on what clips I've seen, I think getting into this in 2010 was the right time to come along.  Poor old Terry Wogan, no wonder he got weary with it all up to 2008. 

fll - What I love is that from around 40 countries Sweden's pop perfection (to me Popular is the perfect pop song, despite the dopey lyrics) mixed with quirkiness of Israel's Izabo (2012)  Montenergo's spaceman rap (2013) Israel's golden boy and even the Russian grannies amongst others is what makes it interesting.  So many countries means there's room for the full range of stuff.

Frans 1.47...getting back on topic. Insiders?

No. iTunes. He's only competed in SF4, which was weak. And nobody knows how the juries are going to vote.

Just fishing Henry ...yes itunes...despite what bear the Frans layer says

He's sold less than 2,000 on itunes. Anyone backing on that needs to self exclude

nah...if itunes was a poll those numbers are more than enough to gauge opinion especially given the downloaders are now the five free app votes voters

If he gets the pimp slot for the final then you know that SVT want to big him up for the winner. Or perhaps they will put Molly in the pimp slot with Frans 2 slots before her.

Some acts are more likely to get downloads. Downloads and votes are completely different

I wonder who wants a £5500 win bet on Frans at 1.5?

Mar 2, 2016 -- 3:37PM, bearcub wrote:

Some acts are more likely to get downloads. Downloads and votes are completely different

absolute bollox...even by your standards bear

REPORTED

You're wrong as usual btw

I could prove you wrong in a heartbeat but you still wouldn't get it...some mugs are beyond redemption

In other words you can't

I think the 1.5 5K backer is reckless, but still none of us are laying it.

Downloads and streams are a younger average demographic than TV voters, but it's obv worth checking out all. Here is Spotify

        1   
    If I Were Sorry by Frans    479,209
    2   
    Work by Rihanna    225,834
    3   
    Youniverse by Molly Sandén    217,536
    4   
    Constellation Prize by Robin Bengtsson    207,832
    5   
    Faded by Alan Walker    194,092
    6   
    Bada Nakna by Samir & Viktor    189,641
    7   
    PILLOWTALK by ZAYN    175,786
    8   
    Human by Oscar Zia    173,749
    9   
    Håll om mig hårt by Panetoz    169,000
    10   
    My Heart Wants Me Dead by Lisa Ajax    158,664
    11   
    Love Yourself by Justin Bieber    156,320
    12   
    Kizunguzungu by SaRaha    153,764
    13   
    Fast Car - Radio Edit by Jonas Blue    149,967
    14   
    Stressed Out by Twenty One Pilots    143,762
    15   
    Save Me by Wiktoria    143,141
    16   
    Me, Myself & I by G-Eazy    136,285
    17   
    I Took A Pill In Ibiza - Seeb Remix by Mike Posner    129,329
    18   
    Don't Worry by Ace Wilder    123,684

bear says 479,209 isn't enough...and anyway they are nearly all Swedes as they invented Spotify...and IKEA....

As that was the Swedish Spotify charts I would expect them to be all Swedes in this case

1D was slaughtering everybody in sm but still only managed 3rd in XF.

Mar 2, 2016 -- 4:04PM, Henry VIII wrote:

As that was the Swedish Spotify charts I would expect them to be all Swedes in this case

Even more impressive then

Mar 2, 2016 -- 4:05PM, Henry VIII wrote:

1D was slaughtering everybody in sm but still only managed 3rd in XF.

XF ain't ESC....that said I have no history of itunes and melodi so it could be another 1D...should I trade out for a profit?

You only have to listen for 30 seconds for a stream to be registered

Streaming is very much a younger thing

Some songs are streamed multiple times by the same person

I awaiting you proving me wrong Bails, in a heartbeat

Itunes figures

Sweden - Overall
Top Sellers
Last 24 Hours
RANK
ARTIST
TITLE
SALES
1    Frans    If I Were Sorry    299
2    Robin Bengtsson    Constellation Prize    83
3    Molly Sandén    Youniverse    73
4    Oscar Zia    Human    61
5    Wiktoria    Save Me    59
6    Ace Wilder    Don't Worry    59
7    SaRaha    Kizunguzungu    55
8    Panetoz    Håll om mig hårt    51
9    Samir & Viktor    Bada nakna    44
10    Dolly Style    Rollercoaster   38

Mar 2, 2016 -- 4:08PM, bearcub wrote:

You only have to listen for 30 seconds for a stream to be registered Streaming is very much a younger thingSome songs are streamed multiple times by the same personI awaiting you proving me wrong Bails, in a heartbeat

Why do you ignore the multi voting free app? As for the heartbeat check my top 10 predictions from last year

John henrik

What evidence do you have that the app favours Frans?

oh dear we were talking itunes....ok you win

Frans will appeal more to the yoof imo hence the app....if Spotify are older then he has even wider support

I awaiting you proving me wrong Bails, in a heartbeat

Get back to grammar school bear

Is it because I is a Bear

App users older on average than Spotify imo. Everybody downloads the app but the young listen to most music.

Spotify users are more likely to be younger (the majority are 29 and under), single individuals who live in urban areas,
and probably largely due to their age and limited income they seem to be more price sensitive.  Active listeners are
also more likely to be on social media sites and they say their friends on social media have some influence over the music
they listen to. Spotify listeners are also more likely to keep up with the latest music trends and events.

Worth noting that in 2013 MF (not 2014) Yohio got by far the most public votes at 356,080. 2nd most was 259,101. But after the judges votes were added he came 2nd, ie lost.

We know the yoof won't pay to vote but if its free......be interesting if he doesn't win the PV given he's so far ahead...the foreign juries the unknown quantity

Are there any itune/spotify records from previous years?

yes

ah like that is it....ok

A bit like your mythical HG

Frans will perform in slot 10 in the final.

This year MF will NOT be inviting a UK jury to take part. It was unanimously agreed that the UK was a useless waste of space.

http://eurovoix.com/2016/03/06/sweden-melodifestivalen-international-juries-announced-2/

They should have left us in and disqualified the one we gave 12 points to

Daily Swedish Spotify, ie yesterday only:

1   
    If I Were Sorry by Frans    399,605
    2   
    Kizunguzungu by SaRaha    217,383
    3   
    Constellation Prize by Robin Bengtsson    209,752
    4   
    Håll om mig hårt by Panetoz    209,495
    5   
    Bada Nakna by Samir & Viktor    200,804
    6   
    Work by Rihanna    197,726
    7   
    Faded by Alan Walker    178,776
    8   
    Youniverse by Molly Sandén    161,016
    9   
    Save Me by Wiktoria    159,747
    10   
    PILLOWTALK by ZAYN    153,959
    11   
    My Heart Wants Me Dead by Lisa Ajax    153,010
    12   
    Human by Oscar Zia    151,905
    13   
    Fast Car - Radio Edit by Jonas Blue    147,321
    14   
    Put Your Love On Me by Boris René    145,709
    15   
    Love Yourself by Justin Bieber    140,445
    16   
    Stressed Out by Twenty One Pilots    137,746
    17   
    I Took A Pill In Ibiza - Seeb Remix by Mike Posner    133,471
    18   
    My House by Flo Rida    127,682
    19   
    Me, Myself & I by G-Eazy    122,485
    20   
    Don't Worry by Ace Wilder    120,280

Frans also top on iTunes and YT still.

Also No.1 on the Sverigetopplistan.

Even with all that I still find him a bit of an unknown quantity.

Oikotimes was right about Margaret for Poland so could they be right about their latest story "Sweden 2016: ‘If I were sorry’ to be disqualified?"
http://tinyurl.com/gtnpr8d

Looks like a sly publicity case to me. The songs are nowhere near similar enough for a plagiarism case.

Traded out at a lower than current price for a free bet...not sure I like the new cautious George Bailey...interesting test of itunes given he's still top and the others have slipped to 5th and lower (I think)

Self loathing isn't good for the soul.

Then stop it then

Frans upset some of the media at the Melfest party last night

Not a good sign

He's not sorry

He should be for this
'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fRNIdZe05I

What did he do?

No idea, i just saw a tweet from someone

Jakob | #TeamRobin ‏@JTennis95  4h4 hours ago
In other news, Melodifestivalen favorite Frans was being a total dick to the media last night at the MelFest party.

He came across a little cocky here but not "total dick" that that guy was referring too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoWGLSLgRRA

He may well be a bit of a brat in reality, but his confidence is a good thing for his performance.

Over confidence bordering on cocky is not a good thing in ESC

Sweden LPM 3.7. What price if

Frans doesn’t get overwhelming jury love in MF?
Doesn’t even win MF?
Sweden get drawn in the first half? (Host country picks their draw out of a hat).
Gets drawn early on in the first half?

What price if the juries love it and it draws 2nd half?

3.6

I'd expect better from the reigning FOTY

3.55

To answer your questions H
If the Wiki woman wins then altho I'm not keen on, it has it's fans so maybe between 15-20

Doesn't win the jury vote 5-6

1st half draw. Depends how early. 1st 5, maybe 5-6. 1st dozen 4 ish

Mar 11, 2016 -- 11:57AM, bearcub wrote:

3.55

tim needs to reconsider his decision

To answer your questions H

6.6
12
4.6
5.6

I really like the Frans song, i'm surprised there's quite a lot of negativity about it among the fanboys

I think the changes to the app voting fecks him over as well

Which app voting is that bear?

I'm not surprised the fanboys aren't keen. Most have absolutely no taste whatsoever

They have app voting on the show

Asssuming it wins, it will be interesting to see how it does in the polls. Lena was fairly marmite and not liked by many of the fanboys

They've changed the rules this year, You can use your votes from the start of the show for whoever you want

Mar 11, 2016 -- 12:13PM, bearcub wrote:

They have app voting on the show

Which show? and what are the changes?

In Sveden?

which feckin show do ya fink

I guess that's why I was never a contender for FOTY

You can rule out 2017 too

Looking at the 16 polls on the big poll site, Lena only topped 3 of them and one of them was a German poll. She was 25th and 26th in a couple
One a Norwegian fanboy site. The other one French

I can rule out ever winning until I'm the only one left on here

between you Bails and Rmb you'd be 1.01

I'd have Bails above me. I'd be disappointed if I didn't beat RMB tho

He'd blame insiders if you won

..and Bails would be asking us to explain FOTY

For pure mischief, I nearly gave it to GB2. It was close between him, bear, and Lou

Bails in with a great chance next year I reckon

Mischief aside, when looking back over last year`s stuff, I saw that he actually had quite a good year

Smoke and mirrors

Cannabis and Cocaine?

Did you see the audience poll fig, Frans pi55ed up

Mar 11, 2016 -- 12:03PM, bearcub wrote:

To answer your questions H6.6124.65.6

6.6
12
4.6
5.6

Yeah, summat like that. I think early draw may be more damaging, but I'm not as convinced by Frans as most.

Original question reminder: What price if
Frans doesn’t get overwhelming jury love in MF?
Doesn’t even win MF?
Sweden get drawn in the first half? (Host country picks their draw out of a hat).
Gets drawn early on in the first half?

Mar 11, 2016 -- 2:01PM, timbuctooth wrote:

Mischief aside, when looking back over last year`s stuff, I saw that he actually had quite a good year

That's taking your job seriously Tim. You ought to start dossiers

Far better to have a memorable song, than a 'good' draw I'd have thought.

Someone/people to get on Sweden this morning. arbsrus.

Market not in love anymore?

Did think it would be a bit too divisive for a short priced favourite, and seems the juries voted that way when it got through?

Yep. 2nd with the juries. Including 2 nil pts. Which can't be good for it's chances. The pv less of a worry. As the new system basically ensured that there wouldn't be a runaway winner. Lack of love on the forums more of worry. In terms of the price anyway