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Report mallow December 23, 2012 12:15 AM GMT
Bl Squares settled as dead heat
Report Danzaa December 23, 2012 12:32 AM GMT
Laddies haven't settled it for me yet either but I assumed it's cos they're going to be giving me quite a few £££s. Normally they're speedy, I suspect the DH is the issue.
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 12:37 AM GMT
yeah was thinking the same
Report will23 December 23, 2012 1:18 AM GMT
do you know what ... i am pleased that BBC have not announced a second  ... the BBC never said it was a horse race or an event staged for gambling purposes .... It's a nice antidote to today's ladbroke race
Report ShirleyKnot December 23, 2012 5:23 AM GMT
Could somebody point me towards the Beeb statement that declares a joint second place please?





Backing at odds on is deffo bad news if dead heat rules apply.  I can only think that the people backing Kimberley at the last knockings as those prices knew the voting results.  Fair justice imvho

1. Louis / 2. Kimberley on the forecast

1.20                  £198
1.27                  £200
1.28                  £220
1.30                  £20
1.33                  £430
1.35                  £230
1.37                  £20
1.39                  £11
1.40                  £302
1.41                  £4
1.42                  £344


Kimberley as runner up:

1.22                  £41
1.33                  £518


Kimberley as top female:

1.16                  £16
1.17                  £4
1.18                  £600
1.19                  £1,204
Report belgacom December 23, 2012 9:27 AM GMT
So, if the BBC are not realeasing voting figures there is not an official second or third. Therefore markets 1-2 Forecast, Runner Up, and Third Place should be voided (according to Betfair`s market rules).
Top Female should be setlled as a dead heat because Kimberley and Denise has progressed equally. Anyone agree?
Report squares December 23, 2012 9:38 AM GMT
it is beyond ridiculous that we know everyone's finishing position bar who came 3rd and who was runner up.  We don't even learn who top female is.
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 9:49 AM GMT
So if you back odds on and its a tie you lose? e.g. 200 on at 1.2 = 100 @ 1.2 = 120 back?

personally happy if 1v2 void on here as small green with kim and a bit larger red dvo. HS already paid me for 1v2 kim so bad luck for some is good luck for others I guess.
Report bearcub December 23, 2012 9:56 AM GMT
@BetfairHelpdesk Good morning. Do you know what will happen to #Strictly markets like runner up? BBC won't reveal voting figures.


Betfair Helpdesk ‏@BetfairHelpdesk.


These markets currently remain suspended on site, pending the release of further information from the BBC regarding the contestants finishing in second and third place.
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 10:13 AM GMT
We have a long wait then. Don't BF know how the BBC Stasi deals with such matters? Too busy throwing money at useless managers or moving them around to other lucrative non jobs when they balls up to have tome/inclination to release actual voting figures. Bitter moi?
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 10:14 AM GMT
In fact the Stasi website has already called them joint runners up iirc.
Report hemsby December 23, 2012 10:40 AM GMT

Dec 22, 2012 -- 11:23PM, ShirleyKnot wrote:


Could somebody point me towards the Beeb statement that declares a joint second place please?Backing at odds on is deffo bad news if dead heat rules apply.  I can only think that the people backing Kimberley at the last knockings as those prices knew the voting results.  Fair justice imvho1. Louis / 2. Kimberley on the forecast1.20                  £1981.27                  £2001.28                  £2201.30                  £201.33                  £4301.35                  £2301.37                  £201.39                  £111.40                  £3021.41                  £41.42                  £344Kimberley as runner up:1.22                  £411.33                  £518Kimberley as top female:1.16                  £161.17                  £41.18                  £6001.19                  £1,204


Denise and Kimberley are Strictly 2012's runners-up


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006m8dq

(Halfway down the page)

Report ShirleyKnot December 23, 2012 10:51 AM GMT
Thanks Hemsby.


Betfair Helpdesk ‏@BetfairHelpdesk.
These markets currently remain suspended on site, pending the release of further information from the BBC regarding the contestants finishing in second and third place.



Somebody ought to point out to betfair that the BBC have announced their result.
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 10:52 AM GMT
The BBC have announced the result by not announcing the result. Simples.
Report hemsby December 23, 2012 10:55 AM GMT
Just had a pleasant chat with Ladbrokes trying to get my S/F bet settled,and attempted to point them in the direction of the BBC website.It seems they expect the BBC to ring them confirming the news Cry.
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 11:07 AM GMT
No wonder we take the HS to the cleaners Laugh....still no excuse for not settling Louis in the o/r which they haven't yet.
Report greenfly December 23, 2012 12:39 PM GMT
The BBC made great play of the fact that ONLY the general public would decide the SCD Final Results. It's inconceivable that, on that basis, Kim and DVO had exactly the same number of public votes, and someone is telling porkies or being disingenuous by saying they're joint 2nd. We know who was 14th, 13th, 12th, 11th, 10th, 9th, 8th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, and 1st. What's the great secret about 2nd and 3rd? I voted throughout for Kim and I want to know where she finished. Come on BBC, all you're doing is reinforcing the public view that you're incompetent and incapable of taking rational editorial decisions.
Report Cider December 23, 2012 12:40 PM GMT
Nobody cares apart from punters.
Report mach December 23, 2012 12:53 PM GMT
If the BBC take the view that the number of votes cast settles who wins the contest, but the two contestants left are joint runners up irrespectively of votes cast, then knowing who got the most votes between Kim and DVO is irrelevant.
Even if votes are released and kim got the 2nd highest you should still be paid out on DVO under dead heat rules as there is no 3rd place in the contest under the rules that the BBC are using to run the contest.
It's a BBC event their rules must apply.
Report five leaves left December 23, 2012 12:54 PM GMT
..and DS. They think it's a cover-up to save DVO the embarrassment of being 3rd Grin
Report Cider December 23, 2012 12:57 PM GMT
Yes and the DS freaks oc (meant in the nicest possible way!).
Report ShirleyKnot December 23, 2012 1:17 PM GMT

Dec 23, 2012 -- 6:53AM, mach wrote:


If the BBC take the view that the number of votes cast settles who wins the contest, but the two contestants left are joint runners up irrespectively of votes cast, then knowing who got the most votes between Kim and DVO is irrelevant. Even if votes are released and kim got the 2nd highest you should still be paid out on DVO under dead heat rules as there is no 3rd place in the contest under the rules that the BBC are using to run the contest.It's a BBC event their rules must apply.


You would think dead heat rules apply.  Take a look at @betfairhelp timeline for this morning, However.

Report Ski-Wiz December 23, 2012 1:28 PM GMT

Dec 22, 2012 -- 5:25PM, George Bailey wrote:


Does anyone ever not have regrets when a special ends?


There is no 'ends' as plenty more to come in the year of our lord 2013Wink

I wish that SCD and X-factor were over and done with in say 6 weeks and not the current drawn out affair.

Report Ski-Wiz December 23, 2012 1:33 PM GMT
For all those going on about the BBC..........they are full of 'common purpose' staff.
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
Like the Moonies then? FOI request sent:

I would like to make the following FOI requests:

1. Who between Kimberley Walsh and Denise van Outen received most votes in the final of Strictly Come Dancing?

2. Why do the BBC release the actual voting numbers for Sports Personality of the Year but not for Strictly Come Dancing?

Thank you
Report TheMadness December 23, 2012 3:50 PM GMT
So have the BBC said they just won't tell us who was 2nd and was 3rd?
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
By default in that they have announced joint runners up.  All these bookies and BF waiting for a call. Very odd. I hope the BBC do ring them then their position re not releasing to the GBP becomes untenable.

Think its the HS and BF being naive mind.
Report TheMadness December 23, 2012 3:57 PM GMT
Don't expect the BBC to give you the info you want. The most unhelpful, arrogant bunch of bastards in Britain
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 4:02 PM GMT
Isn't bastards blocked? Yes you are right as I asked for figures before and the chunts refused. Just trying a different approach.  Makes them justify their sinecures a little bit if nothing else.  I'd write to Patton but he's too busy with his other 12 Directorships to have time to reply I suspect.
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 4:02 PM GMT
f ags is blocked but not bastards? How odd.
Report Makybe_Diva December 23, 2012 4:22 PM GMT
"Happy Xmas everyone especially Sue xx"

Aww, thanks Rick Love

Happy Christmas to you too xx
Report johnnyrant December 23, 2012 6:02 PM GMT
Anyone had any dealings yet with Ladbrokes over their top female/straight forecast stance?
Report donny osmond December 23, 2012 6:11 PM GMT
Surely ofcom will force Bbc to release figures

How long that takes is anyone's guess

If the figures are independently verified, then who is this independent




Maybe a few bbc players got their fingers burnt by unexpected 2 nd place and are hiding it ???
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 6:18 PM GMT

Dec 23, 2012 -- 12:02PM, johnnyrant wrote:


Anyone had any dealings yet with Ladbrokes over their top female/straight forecast stance?


nope...have they paid on o/r yet? If not why not?

Report bexley December 23, 2012 6:54 PM GMT
Yes GB Lads paid out on OR today
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 7:08 PM GMT
So they have Cool
Report DickyM December 23, 2012 7:12 PM GMT
Asked the question of them last night, buy Boyles not yet reversed
Report DickyM December 23, 2012 7:13 PM GMT
^on settling DVO as top female loser
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 7:40 PM GMT
Good...stop pushing them on this Dicky...take one for the team WinkLaugh
Report bexley December 23, 2012 7:49 PM GMT
Betfair voided....
Report charliebigpotatoes December 23, 2012 8:01 PM GMT
Have people seen that a senior BBC executive confirmed Kimberley came secondd?
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 8:04 PM GMT
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Cry
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 8:05 PM GMT
This is the chaos that happens when the arrogant chunts refuse to simply publish the votes
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 8:06 PM GMT
Link Charlie?
Report greenfly December 23, 2012 8:08 PM GMT
Well, I backed Kim and layed DVO and have ended up with a loss on Kim, DVO and Dani. How can that be right? What a shambles all round. Don't expect me to use these markets again and I certainly won't be giving those ****s at the BBC another penny.
Report charliebigpotatoes December 23, 2012 8:10 PM GMT
Sorry, i screwed up there.  Beeb told Nigel Pauley, the Express's showbiz correspondent that Kimbers came second 2nd DVO 3rd.

https://twitter.com/nigelpauley

He said he had been told but it was "unofficial"
Report DickyM December 23, 2012 8:14 PM GMT
settled as dh surely, balance gone up half the difference ?
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 8:34 PM GMT
Sent tweet to journotom:

@journotom BBC wont give votes even under FOI say it embarrasses people Doesn't stop them giving SPOTY stats  XFactor/ I'm A Celeb do.
Report donny osmond December 23, 2012 8:51 PM GMT
Bbc exec been backing Dvo  top female ( nap)

Might have had his redundancy money on
Report GeorgeBrush December 23, 2012 9:06 PM GMT
What's the state of play then?

How many HS haven't settled yet?
Report DickyM December 23, 2012 9:18 PM GMT
what I know :
top female : pp, 888, bluesq settled as dh
betfair now settled as dh
boyles settled as kimb win (I've disputed)
Lads not yet settled top female
Report GeorgeBrush December 23, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
FFS spoils. lol
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 9:41 PM GMT
They know Wink
Report robster December 23, 2012 9:48 PM GMT
we settled as dead heat top female & paid out in full on straight forecasts as a (very small) token of goodwill!!
Report robster December 23, 2012 9:48 PM GMT
we settled as dead heat top female & paid out in full on straight forecasts as a (very small) token of goodwill!!
Report George Bailey December 23, 2012 11:41 PM GMT
Got a reply from journotom. Think GB is right ie he is a bit of a guardian angel fur us on here.

Tom Savage ‏@journotom
@georgebailey27 I'll find the 1-2-3 out and it'll be 100% correct but it won't be official so we'll have to see if anyone accepts it.
Report mach December 24, 2012 12:44 AM GMT
you now have 6 followers GB2Wink  LaughLaugh
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 12:46 AM GMT
And you are the only one that I know Laugh
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 1:40 AM GMT
what fun...the truth will out!

https://twitter.com/journotom
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 1:52 AM GMT
oops got a bit too angry there but at least we have the chance of an answer from a BBC biggish wig...if he replies of course

https://twitter.com/juliantelly
Report greenfly December 24, 2012 7:53 AM GMT
Well done, George!
Report johnnyrant December 24, 2012 8:57 AM GMT
SJ paid out in full on Denise for top female - not my account, heard from someone who has account with them.
Report DickyM December 24, 2012 10:42 AM GMT
Lads will be deciding today apparently
Spoils novelty bets man wont be back in until next weekend so have to wait til then Laugh
Report johnnyrant December 24, 2012 10:44 AM GMT
Have a buddy waiting on Spoils too, Dicky - they cannot justify that. Should either pay out in full on both or pay-out as dead-heat on both. Think dead-heat for TF & payment in full on both straight forecasts is the fairest, & the way WH acted.
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 10:49 AM GMT
Be a bit harsh on me if they recalculate my tf and s/f returns...do they contact me to tell me they have got it wrong and changed their mind? Just pay up as both 2nd...it is Christmas after all
Report DickyM December 24, 2012 10:53 AM GMT
wouldn't have thought they could reverse whats already paid out
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 10:57 AM GMT
hope not...I have a real deja vu thing about people getting on knowing no particular order. Can't have been with this as always a runner up. Another special?

Dicky which thread did you post your spreadsheet formula...if you can remember? Going to get my daughter to set me up for the new year.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 24, 2012 11:06 AM GMT
George/Johnny

Can't see bookies paying out on two 'winners'.  Must be a dead heat, (half the stake) that would be fair all round.
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 11:11 AM GMT
some already have Lou
Report johnnyrant December 24, 2012 11:11 AM GMT
As things stand, Spoils have settled incorrectly. They've been given as joint runners-up. You would win any IBAS case, seeking settlement on Denise as a dead-heat TF winner at least. WH already paid out in full, Lou, on both straight forecasts. SJ paid out in full on Denise TF.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 24, 2012 11:22 AM GMT
I wonder why they would pay out in full though when it's a dead heat.  You could argue all day Kimberley was second ........... or DVO was second.  Why would a bookie pay out a full stake on either I don't get it?
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 11:27 AM GMT
Not much cash involved so they can afford the good customer relations bit
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 24, 2012 11:29 AM GMT
Oh I see fair enough.  Well Sportingbt definately paid out a 'Dead Heat'.

George quick question.  What makes you think Kimberley was second in the end.  I know the polls had her well clear and the betting but any actual 'leaks' to substantiate it?
Report mach December 24, 2012 11:29 AM GMT
Lou some things will be beyond your comprehension, nothing new thereWink
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 24, 2012 11:30 AM GMT
mach

Kind words from you again ........................ nice man!

Do you ever stop?
Report mach December 24, 2012 11:32 AM GMT
Lou, did you forget, you blocked me so you can't read what I writeLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh


Ho Ho Ho merry x-mas Lou
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 11:37 AM GMT
Worth a read Lou

https://twitter.com/journotom
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 11:38 AM GMT
You are unblocked till Boxing Day mach....something for the man with everything Laugh
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 24, 2012 11:44 AM GMT
mach

I 'unblocked' everyone after 'X Factor'.

Don't worry you won't be hearing from me next year.


Thanks for driving someone away from a chat room where we're all allowed our opinios and no one deserves to be spoken to like I am.  You must be very proud of yourself.

I'll keep in touch with a few next year privately but won't post on X Factor at all.

Thanks for that.  Nice man.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 24, 2012 11:50 AM GMT
George

I read that.  If this guy can be trusted then it looks like Kimberlet second.  Still don't understand why BBC don't say.  How hard is it to write half a dozen words tpo let us know the order.  As someone said we know who went every week, we know the winner and the 4th even so why not 2nd and 3rd?
Report mach December 24, 2012 11:51 AM GMT
That sounds very FAIR of you Lou
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 11:55 AM GMT
They don't tell us because they don't have to plus they throw in some bollox about not wanting to embarrass z listers. I know because I have tried the FOI route and got stonewalled with these reasons pathetic though they are. I will keep trying though.

One would hope the BBC Head of Communications will get involved now but I won't hold my breath.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 24, 2012 12:05 PM GMT
Thanks George ..................... one of the nice guys!

All the best to you and yours.
Report five leaves left December 24, 2012 12:25 PM GMT
Another follower now GB2 Silly
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 2:29 PM GMT
That's the Magnificent 7 then Laugh...actually didn't want any followers as just using it to go fishing...I closed my Facebook page when people wanted to be my "friends" Angry
Report five leaves left December 24, 2012 2:38 PM GMT
I don't want to be your friend Laugh, but I'm hoping I might get some early HG news Grin
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 2:43 PM GMT
Wink
Report Kauto SuperStar December 24, 2012 3:47 PM GMT
BET 365 finally settled my Louis/Denise 12/1 forecast as a Dead Heat :)
Took me 2 emails and 1 call to get there though!
Report Ski-Wiz December 24, 2012 3:55 PM GMT

Dec 24, 2012 -- 5:22AM, LOU MACARIS TARTAN B wrote:


I wonder why they would pay out in full though when it's a dead heat.

Report Ski-Wiz December 24, 2012 3:59 PM GMT
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B • December 24, 2012 11:44 AM GMT

I'll keep in touch with a few next year privately but won't post on X Factor at all.



Lou........The word is not the thing.

Don't let others ''control'' your life.

England expects Lou to do his duty and report back on here next year.WinkWink
Report bardo December 24, 2012 4:06 PM GMT
this whole dead heat farce has cost me a packet as ive lost half my Louis-Kim winnings, unlucky for me that I bet with 3.6 FiveSad

crazy situation in that we know who came 1st, 4th, and every thing else but not who came 2nd and 3rd.

bring on CBB.
Report DickyM December 24, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
For George or anyone else who wants a spreadsheet.. an all-singing all-dancing spreadsheet to track P&L.
All you have to do is enter betfair +/-,  HS bets in a table so you always know how you stand in any 1 market. I've added a couple of dummy HS bets so you can see how its done. Only add into the blue fields - others are all calculated
to download :
http://tinyurl.com/cm4p29p
or
http://www.2shared.com/file/KBBZrVYZ/BetHistory2013.html
Report DickyM December 24, 2012 5:22 PM GMT
George your now up to 11 Laugh we need an end of year how many followers market
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 6:04 PM GMT
That's brilliant Dicky re the spreadsheet...everyone should keep one.

Re twitter I have some 2.3 for 12 by Christmas....when I'm not fishing/stalking on it I might post some HG stuff just to encourage you all to unfollow Laugh
Report brownie December 24, 2012 6:29 PM GMT
laddies embarrassing themselves with still no sign of settlement
...
Report George Bailey December 24, 2012 6:34 PM GMT
Of them all I thought they would have paid up on each first.
Report brownie December 24, 2012 6:43 PM GMT
totally agree, GB.....although they were a standout 6/1 on DVO last monday....
Report hemsby December 24, 2012 9:34 PM GMT
Ladbrokes paid out on S/F bets as Deadheat.
Report brownie December 24, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
and they have now ( finally! )
settled top female as d/h alos.
Report mallow December 25, 2012 10:11 AM GMT
365 has settled my bets on Kimbers and DVO as Voided  "as a goodwill gesture". bully for them...
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