SPOTY thread.

Probably just as well ;-)

It's going to hit XF just as much as SPOTY. SPOTY will be first up which is an advantage in itself. Last year we were all celebrating a great Olympics so think viewers would be down anyway. How many viewers in 2007?

xf will get the usual 15m I suspect. Spoty will be way down. I reckon ITV will try to hijack the whole slot too.

That's exactly what I would think as an ITV exec, to stop spoty from getting the head start

Very different demographic - it might surprise some people that the whole world does not revolve around X factor

muppet who do you reckon for this year's SPOTY?

There's a big crossover in demographic imo. They are called TV watchers.

Some of them won't watch spoty because XF is on.

Henry - way back in the depths of this thread I tipped Ennis at 100/1 and a few pages ago Tweddle - both very big winners and I still think Ennis will win

Wish I'd followed this thread from the beginning muppet. I got some Ennis after the recent drift.

Ennis was OSM Review of the Year cover star FWIW

at 6.8 she's looking like a back again IMO

Best innovation was Brawns Diffuser too :)

tax exile button turns his back on brawn for a few more bucks

ennis :^0


haye all the way

Can't have this thread falling off the bottom because of IACGMAOH.

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Can't they give "I'm a washed up deadbeat..." a forum of its own??

You could well be talking about celebrity there.

it would be nice if the bbc put some people from more minority sports on the shortlist instead of the same old boll0x. im thinking of the likes of steve peat the mountain biker who finally won the world champs this year.

when is the shortlist announced please?

30th One show

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Any insider hints on the market?

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Feel free to fill in this survey

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=hdSPqC1Bg1htTzbVs0V2kQ_3d_3d

Got to page 2 and gave up

with Tom Daley in running for Young Sports Personality, presumably he won't make cut for main S.P.O.T.Y.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_radio/sports_personality_of_the_year/8374502.stm

Shame that. Although maybe the disabled young swimmer will get in!

By the way, I just happened accross that survey, it's not mine.

Khan fight on Dec 5th.

Will need to have been shortlisted to benefit of course...

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Big drift on Haye

Big drift on Haye

Haye is not nearly well known enough nor likeable enough.

Haye was an appalling 7/1 shot.

Tweddle, Strauss, even Cavendish have more chance when the VT starts rolling

I still think he may have competition for the boxing vote anyway. Khan still a runner for t10 and defends on 5th Dec

I have no doubt that haye will get more votes than ennis

More female voters in this than male. Not many boxing fans amongst them

not if x factors on at the same time :D

big cheer for haye the tennis

crowd probable dont know who ennis is

also think you'll find haye is quite popular with the ladies ;)

i think "setup" has possibly backed Haye!!!

It's a setup! Yep, I think I noticed that before. 600 desperately trying to hold the price down.

I'm sure there'll be a long VT on the night to remind us who Ennis is ;-)

I can't believe Giggs will get in the 10

There is no way he is 5th favourite

I'll be baggered if he does

ennis :^0

Haye has no chance imo. He struggled to beat an out of shape giant in a sub-standard heavyweight bout shown on pay-per-view - doesn't fit remotely with the demographic of S.P.O.T.Y.

The top 10 contenders will be announced during The One Show on BBC One on Monday, 30 November at 1900.

Following the announcement each contender will be featured individually on The One Show in the 10 weekdays prior to the event.

On Wednesday, 2 December there will be a Sports Personality of the Year preview show on BBC One at 2245.

"As racing's rulers search for ways to raise the sport's profile, the size of their task will be underlined tonight. The BBC is poised to unveil its list of 10 nominees for the 2009 Sports Personality of the Year award and it is understood that Tony McCoy's name will not be among them".

Confirms the bleeding obvoius. I would have laid him to high heaven in a top 10 market, have to settle with my top 3 lays.

Taylor in? (shock)

Or someone having fun?

Idowu, Wiggins miss out

This is what the market is saying, btw, not me being nostradamus

Khan in?

No McCoy

Heightist BBC twunts :-)

Ennis wins this at a canter IMO.

The reception in her home town will be immense. She is very modest and likeable.

Despite some Beeb ramping, Button just isn't very popular. In hard times, people will not be voting for the very rich. The girl next door (who isn't too pretty to alienate the ladies) wins this year.

Haye is too arrogant and not enough people saw him fight.

Giggs is a live one but the wealth rule applies.

Ennis, Giggs and Button is the top 3.

The only way she loses is if she dresses like a** (like Adlington did).

Jenson Button
Mark Cavendish
Tom Daley
Jessica Ennis
Ryan Giggs
David Haye
Phillips Idowu
Andy Murray
Andrew Strauss
Beth Tweddle

no surprises

been backing Ryan Giggs @ 100, not laying him off. no faith in Button

why does Murray get in there - he's done nothing this year. Fallen short of winning a Slam again. Also, Wiggins achievement to finish 4th at Tour De France far superior than Cavendish winning those sprints. Shows you that the so-called experts who get to pick their top 10, haven't got a Scooby.

no dean macey again.....criminal :(

Monkey Boy:The Directors Cut 30 Nov 15:40

Despite some Beeb ramping, Button just isn't very popular. In hard times, people will not be voting for the very rich. The girl next door (who isn't too pretty to alienate the ladies) wins this year.
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2006 Winner - Zara Phillips

Girl next door? Non-wealthy?

Did she only win because the unemployment rate was lower ?! ;)

Giggs must be a massive runner if he is in the 10. Just had my second bet on this.

leave may next door neighbour alone flocci

Easy trade at the prices available in any case.

Missing out the women crickets - two world cups + ashes - was astonishing. Murray did better than them?!

Ive been backing Beth Tweddle in the 60s and 70s these last couple of weeks (not large amounts, very thin market), 3 world championships/cups and 2 European championships for her this year and the first time shes been world number one in both bars and floor.

Britains first truly successful gymnast of late, and shes got a lovely personality. She was painfully shy in 2006 SPOTY but still came third so she has form in this, and shes much better at interviews now. Still value imo.

where's Phil Taylor?

not in the final ten

Down the pub playing games

Cider 30 Nov 19:21
Giggs must be a massive runner if he is in the 10. Just had my second bet on this.

BBC Wales have announced their shortlist

Becky Brewerton (lady golfer), Ryan Giggs, Jamie Roberts (rugby), N.Cleverley (boxing), L.Rickard (lady golfer) and G.Thomas (cyclist).

Whoever decided this must be a fan of ladies golf !

Giggs favourite to win this ?

Cleverley maybe.

if giggs wins the welsh one, will that help or harm his chance in the main one?

johnnyrant 30 Nov 19:17
why does Murray get in there - he's done nothing this year.

he reached number 2 in the world in 2009.

Highest ranking by a British male tennis player since ................... the year dot.

He will be 23 next year.

Giiggs winning Welsh SPOTY ?

perhaps a few more extra votes from the extra publicity

can't see him winning though he might make top 3.

curious-cat 30 Nov 21:29
johnnyrant 30 Nov 19:17
why does Murray get in there - he's done nothing this year.

he reached number 2 in the world in 2009.

Highest ranking by a British male tennis player since ................... the year dot.

He will be 23 next year.

is that 23 in the world?

Could someone please shout out if they notice any bookies offering E/W or Top 3?

Looking at the prices now Giggs has certainly caused the big drift on Haye/Button - probably cos they are the top men to stand a chance, whereas Ennis' price has shifted very little really - possibly cos she will have a lot of the female vote and anyone who doesn't like football (there are a few of us about). Are people who bet on such a thing as this really indicative of the general feeling of the people who actually vote - I seem to recall that Joe Publics voting behaviour in SPOTY has not exactly mirrored the way the betting has gone.

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the muppet moans 02 Dec 17:45
... I seem to recall that Joe Publics voting behaviour in SPOTY has not exactly mirrored the way the betting has gone.

exactly muppet moans

2008 Year 55

1st Chris Hoy (cycling)
2nd Lewis Hamilton (motor racing)
3rd Rebecca Adlington (swimming)

Adlington was massive on here with what seemed like several people, but really was just a few, hyping her to the hilt.
Hamilton was the original favourite with surges whenever he won a grand prix towards the latter half of the season.
I believe Hoy was second if not third fav on the day. Losers blamed the Scottish vote :D

2007 Year 54

1st Joe Calzaghe (boxing)
2nd Lewis Hamilton (motor racing)
3rd Ricky Hatton (boxing)

Calzaghe should have won the previous year imo. I think Hamilton was the favourite while Hatton attracted northern support. I seem to remember the odds on Calzaghe were quite high and they tumbled in the last week though I could be wrong.

2006 Year 53
1st Zara Phillips (equestrian)
2nd Darren Clarke (golf)
3rd Beth Tweddle (gymnastics)

Darren Clarke was a massive odds on fav based on the ryder cup win and the sympathy felt for the death of his wife. There was late support for Zara - betting wise and at least one person ( attitude adjuster ? ) supported her on the forum.

2005 Year 52
1st Andrew Flintoff (cricket)
2nd **MacArthur (sailing)
3rd Steven Gerrard (football)

a clear cut win for the fav - Steven Gerrard (football) getting third not a plus for Giggs this year

2004 Year 51

1st Kelly Holmes (athletics)
2nd Matthew Pinsent (rowing)
3rd Andrew Flintoff (cricket)

I think Kelly Holmes was fav - she was with me anyhow :)

2003 Year 50

1st Jonny Wilkinson (rugby)
2nd Martin Johnson (rugby)
3rd Paula Radcliffe (athletics)

imo Martin Johnson deserved it more but Jonny W kicked the winning drop goal in extra time and hogged the media coverage.
( my first year on betfair - don't remember too much about it but I assume JW was heavily odds on. )

2004 was a great year with rooney & pinsett all trading odds on before kelly won double gold........oh and zara :x oh what a night :D

Hi C-C

the Zara tipster at a huge price was the chit chat guy TENwhathisname and i think gresty was on as well.

I opposed her succesfully early on and chased her out..but didn't green up :(
I was on Darren at some decent prices and didn't enjoy one of the nastiest contests there's ever been on here imo.

Last year,i was one of the Rebecca tipsters at a decent price.

i learnt my lesson laid off after the ISIRIS gamble and backed Hoy as well for a lucky win tbh.

TEN2FOLLOWER - lot quieter on here than he used to be in the old days

In 2006 D Clarke said he didn't want the sympathy vote, so people took him at his word and didn't vote for him, which is the only reason the clear favourite that year didn't win.

I believe Button will be a guest on the Wossy show this Friday.

Tipped up Zara at 66/1 the week before she won her gold medal - happy days and hoping for a repeat performance with Ennis - I think the market is beginning to correct itself and she will only get shorter

TVpolls result -


2. Who do you want to win Sports Personality of the Year 2009?
answered question 862

Percent Response
Count
Jenson Button (World Formula One Champion) 29.8% 257
Andrew Strauss (part of Cricket Ashes winning Team) 2.1% 18
Jessica Ennis (Heptathlon World Championships Gold) 13.2% 114
Ryan Giggs (Footballer) 21.9% 189
Tom Daley (15 years old, Diving FINA World Championship Gold) 7.7% 66
David Haye (Heavyweight Boxer) 4.2% 36
Mark Cavendish (Cyclist, won 6 stages of Tour De France) 10.6% 91
Andy Murray (British #1 Tennis player) 4.2% 36
Beth Tweddle (Gymnastics World Championships Gold) 5.7% 49
Phillips Idowu (Triple Jump World Championships Gold) 0.7% 6

anyone think Button will drift on the night in-running, or is he expected to go odds on? I think back to that cringeworthy moment when he starts singing 'We Are The Champions' and I just think, major vote loser, but maybe I am misjudging the hardcore SPOTY voter...?

If this were ITV Sports Personality of the Year, who would win?

and SKY Sports Personality of the Year?

and lastly.... BBC Sports Personality of the year....

I think if you can answer the first two of these, then you will work out who to bet on for the BBC one! (i.e. it won't get great coverage on the night if it's a SKY or ITV event.... I can imaging another Zara evening in the making....

Won't the BBC be throwing the kitchen sink behind Button now with their editing to get Giggs beat?

I would imagine many posters on here want that very much,
(not naming anyone but a few may be quaking)

WHY WOULD THE BBC want to edit a BUTTON win over a GIGGS win?? Reading the official BBC announcement including exerts below, I think they'll have a lot more footage of Giigs than Button. I think the earlier poll on this thread of 29% to Button and 21% to Giggs is currently about right. However the edit on the night for Giggs (or even Ennis) could well see the gap being closed rapidly on the night (as per Zara Philips). ANyone work for the BBC editing department who can tell us about the coverage Giggs will get?

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BBC website exerts include:

Wales and Manchester United football legend Ryan Giggs, 36, has been named the BBC Cymru Wales Sports Personality of the Year 2009 following a public telephone vote.

Due to Giggs' commitment to a Manchester United Champions League game in Germany on Tuesday, he was handed the award on Sunday by Ferguson at Manchester United's Carrington training ground.

This is the second time Giggs has won the award, having last been awarded the trophy in 1996, and the evergreen Cardiff-born star has had another outstanding year.

Manchester United won the Barclays Premier League, the Carling Cup and were Uefa Champion League finalists, while Giggs himself won the Professional Footballers' Association Player of the Year Award and was nominated for European footballer of the year.

Giggs has won the adoration of home fans and respect of rival supporters throughout the world during an outstanding career

The Player of the Year award came amid stiff opposition from team-mates Nemanja Vidic, Rio Ferdinand, Cristiano Ronaldo and Edwin van der Sar as well as Liverpool's Steven Gerrard.

The award had previously eluded the player, who went on to maintain his remarkable record of scoring in every one of the 19 Premier League seasons, including a fine hat-trick against Tottenham Hotspur in September to help him top 150 goals for his club.

Giggs remains a threat to defences and manager Sir Alex Ferguson has advised aspiring players to follow his protege's example of maintaining physical fitness and mental toughness.

Now in his 19th season with the club, he has won more team honours than any of his predecessors.

Among his many records and accolades, Giggs is the only Red Devil to have played in their 11 Premier League wins and the only player in the game to have won that number of titles.

Cardiff-born Giggs has outstripped Old Trafford legend Bobby Charlton's club appearance record of 758 and has now played more than 800 games for the club since making his debut as a 17-year-old in 1991.

One of the few signs of Giggs' age is that in the last season he has switched from winger to central midfield, but he has yet to find himself usurped by a younger player.

The former Welsh international's standing among his fellow professionals is also a huge mark of respect for his evergreen talents.

Wilkinson was about 1.03....Kelly Holmes someat similar

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Good luck everybody with their bets

well done Bunnyman :)

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some kind of mug

:)

1-249 GUBBED

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murray top 3 my fun bet at 2.02

looks good to get to semis at least to me now

Always amusing when the Murray layers totally forget about the US Open.

That 13 ought to be snapped up really

spot on GB. Was loving that Murray drift as US Open offers him best chance of winning a major. Fed on slide, Rafa not as effective, del Potro already out injured... You are effectively getting 12-1 for him to win US Open.

Ah, bless