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it was 'any jockey iirc, makes the odds compiler even worse.
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Shocking that lol
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Yes, it was Blueq, and correct it was 'any jockey'.... shame they would only let me have £50 on, not the £250 I wanted! :)
My account is now heavily restricted. |
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incredible price.
I would imagine there are 6 people almost certain to make the shortlist in Strauss Cavendish Ennis Idowu Daley and Murray. Button will obv make it if he wins and probably if he doesnt and Haye will make it if he wins so it leaves 2/3 places up for grabs |
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Broad very likely for me.
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Murray shouldn't make the ten. What's he achieved this year? Sweet f.a. I would have thought Freddy and Strauss are more likely to make list than Broad, though all 3 could make it. McCoy's achievement is exceptional and merits recognition. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the ten. Earlier in the year the racing press was mentioning a campaign being launched.
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Won a bunch of tournaments, went to number 2 in the world. Not a lot ;-)
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Personally I think what Murray has achieved is far superior to McCoy.
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I dont see why McCcoy should make the list.
A good ride at Chelts (all be it in a non major race) and his 3000th winner. By that reasoning tho, Giggs should be in the ten (great goal vs west ham, plus 100 goals) and John Higgins (decade at the top of his game plus a WC) It shouldnt turn into a lifetime achievment award. |
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He's the champion jockey this year with 186 winners, has reached a milestone and is regarded in the industry as the best jump jockey ever. Giggs and Higgins only tick one of those 3 boxes
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I'm looking at who he's competing with for the remaining places and I'm looking at the likes of Khan Taylor Rooney Broad and Flintoff. I personally think the inclusion of Broad or Flintoff would be a joke. I'd have Taylor and Rooney well ahead of McCoy but they are working mens sports and these newspaper editors are a stuck up and bias bunch so I think he's got every chance.
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forgot Wiggins but dont personally think 4th place should be rewarded
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sorry sean but have to beg to differ there - he is the greatest jump jockey in the history of the sport. No other rider has made it to 3,000 winners. I'll concede that with the Beeb's racing coverage dwindling away, he faces a tough task, but not as tough as someone like Phil Taylor.
A.Murray is now back to being no3 in the world which is more or less how he started the year, GB. And winning some tour events hardly constitutes exceptional sporting performance. He's done that for a couple of years now, but still come up short where it matters - in the Slams. |
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The more I think about it the more inclined I am to believe he will make it.
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I'd be amazed if Murray wasn't listed Johnny. It's more tennis success than Britain has had in donkeys years. Even if it seems he is still underachieving.
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In the test matches Flintoff averaged over 50 with the ball and 20 something with the bat. His bowling average was double his batting average!!
Broad averaged 34 with the ball and 29 with the bat - just average In the humiliation that is the one day series Broad is averaging 76 with the ball and 8.67 with the bat!! If either make the shortlist it will be a disgrace. |
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Leading English wicket taker? A disgrace if listed? Are you sure?
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The averages don't lie George. He took 2 wickets per innings at 34 runs per wicket against the weakest Australian team for over a decade which is purely average. If he was top of the wicket takers with 16 wickets in the series its only because they must have all finished in a heap.
His one day form has been appaling and he's lucky to be in the team on that basis let alone be nominated for SPOTY. |
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Onions has better stats 2.5 wickets per innings and 25 runs per wicket
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18 at 30 to be precise. And more runs than any of England's top order except Strauss and Collingwood. But the story is more one of recovery from poor early series form and threats of being dropped to finish as the only one that emerged in credit from Headingley and a match winning display at the Oval.
As you know the current ODI series counts for absolutely diddly squat in the eyes of the public, and presumably the SPOTY shortlisters |
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Don't know what figures you're looking at Clyde. Onions 10 at 30.3, Broad 18 at 30.2 as far as I can see.
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Indeed England's best series bowling average, as well as most wickets
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The current one day series counts for a lot, it's humilaiting and it highlights how poor the England cricket actually is and how fortunate they were to win The Ashes. My mistake with Broad I missed 2 wickets. His performance have been nothing exceptional and he is little more than an average international cricketer
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The word I was looking for was undermines. The one day series undermines their earlier achievements. I would have thought that goes without saying
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Nope. It doesn't. Everyone has switched off. I thought he shouldn't be shortlisted anyway?
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I'll have to look at the tabloids and the broadsheets after they get hammered 7-0 to see if thats the case.
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Fairly pointless argument really. I think he should be listed, you don't, he has a slim chance of winning. Maybe different if the Ashes were still on normal telly. I think he will be listed
As it is, it appears everyone thinks Fred won the Ashes again :-) |
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Meanwhile while the English cricket team are on their way to a 7-0 hammering in the ODI, the football team have qualified with a perfect 100% record are top scorers in Europe and Rooney has scored 9 of them which probably makes him the top scorer in Europe in the competition. Broad is an average international performer in a game played by a handful of nations while Rooney is a top notch international performer in by far the most competitive sport in the world. It just riles me that it should even be debatable which one gets shortlisted but the top media positions are probably dominated by blue rinse ex public schoolboys who've got a chip on their shoulder against working mens sports.
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Are you just trying to convince yourself?
If you want the football comparison to go the whole hog, the football team beat the equivalent of the West Indies and Bangladesh, while the cricket team won their equivalent of the world cup. |
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blue rinse ex public schoolboys
I thought it was just the wimmin that had a blue rinse and that grecian 2000 was the preferred choice for blokes. A never ending education is this place. |
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If England win the world cup with a dodgy penalty and a bunch of goalless draws will you be arguing against their inclusion? When it comes down to it England won the ashes. Hardly in style, but they won.
Strauss will be listed, won't win, Broad or Flintoff may be listed, hopefully Broad might. Won't win. |
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Croatia are world ranked 9 in a sport played by 200 nations
Australia are ranked 1? in a sport played by 8 Little difference in reality |
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my mistake Australia are ranked 3 of 8 and England 7 of 8!!
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Take care chaps. Heather Watson is not listed yet.
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Makes England's achievement all the more impressive ;-)
(They are ranked 4th and 5th in tests by the way. I got the figures from clydescricketstats.co.uk :-) ) |
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Heather Watson became the first Briton to claim the US Open girls' singles title when she beat Yana Buchina in straight sets at Flushing Meadows.
I am surprised that you have not got her listed yet Mr Brush. |
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I cant bring myself to get over interested or over enthusiastic about a sport played by only 8 nations so my knowledge on cricket aint great and my way round cricket websites is at the learning stage. My rankings were for ODI as couldnt find the test ones. I seem to have stumbled across some cricket rankings which place Broad as the 47th best bowler amongst the 8 nations (9 I guess if you count Zimbabwe).
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I'll have to get on with my proper job of earning some cash rather than argue the merit of individual sporting achievements. If the general public can vote for someone because their daddy bought them a good horse then they are a pretty clueless bunch
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I thought this game was about guessing who the public would vote for, yes.
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I've been arguing about who deserves to be shortlisted not who will. I want Rooney to be listed and Broad not to because it fits in with my belief in fair play
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