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Qs start at 1000 this morning. BO9s, three sessions a day until Thursday.
First wave look pretty uninteresting, but Bai v Pullen should definitely be of interest in the 1430 wave.
First wave look pretty uninteresting, but Bai v Pullen should definitely be of interest in the 1430 wave.
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Ridiculous error from Robbo. FB black missed and stuck, Judd forces respot.
1-1 Shon, 2-0 Hill
1-1 Shon, 2-0 Hill
Ironically, Judd attempts to quadruple it and sticks it, 2-0 Robbo.
3-0 Hill
3-0 Hill
Wow, Hill didn't want that second red to drop! Needs pink at least with it or needs snookers.
Shon playing for snookers is always a bit embarrassing. He's terrible at them.
Comedy of errors frame from both, but Yuan actually looked a bit scared. 4-4 Shon.
Another day where I don't particularly like any of the match-ups.
Hill's having a great week, results wise, but he just doesn't score compared to the rest of those left in the draw. That's reflected in the price, though.
Kyren's well ahead of LTT on every metric other than recency scoring. Again, hard to argue with the prices.
Yuan is probably the one who's closest to representing true value, IMHO. A smidge behind on three metrics and well ahead on recency scoring.
I have Wu as a slight fav over Baz, but it's close to a coin toss.
Hill's having a great week, results wise, but he just doesn't score compared to the rest of those left in the draw. That's reflected in the price, though.
Kyren's well ahead of LTT on every metric other than recency scoring. Again, hard to argue with the prices.
Yuan is probably the one who's closest to representing true value, IMHO. A smidge behind on three metrics and well ahead on recency scoring.
I have Wu as a slight fav over Baz, but it's close to a coin toss.
Jesus! I think we have hit a new low for liquidity here.............................
Considering that this is a QF...............
Considering that this is a QF...............
Been v hard to trade all week, IMHO, mate.
Can't say as I'm a lover of this event, and it seems a bit like Marmite for the players (and maybe watchers?), too.
Can't say as I'm a lover of this event, and it seems a bit like Marmite for the players (and maybe watchers?), too.
Yeah, it's been slow this week when i've looked in (as you have already said).
I just had a look at figures from last year's tournament and it looks like that was poor too.
There seems to have been a downturn in general over the last year and that's not going to be helped with the disappearance of eurosport and the resulting move to TNT. Grim times for snooker trading on Betfair.
I just had a look at figures from last year's tournament and it looks like that was poor too.
There seems to have been a downturn in general over the last year and that's not going to be helped with the disappearance of eurosport and the resulting move to TNT. Grim times for snooker trading on Betfair.
Yeah, it's been slow this week when i've looked in (as you have already said).
I just had a look at figures from last year's tournament and it looks like that was poor too.
There seems to have been a downturn in general over the last year and that's not going to be helped with the disappearance of eurosport and the resulting move to TNT. Grim times for snooker trading on Betfair.
I just had a look at figures from last year's tournament and it looks like that was poor too.
There seems to have been a downturn in general over the last year and that's not going to be helped with the disappearance of eurosport and the resulting move to TNT. Grim times for snooker trading on Betfair.
Yeah, it's been slow this week when i've looked in (as you have already said).
I just had a look at figures from last year's tournament and it looks like that was poor too.
There seems to have been a downturn in general over the last year and that's not going to be helped with the disappearance of eurosport and the resulting move to TNT. Grim times for snooker trading on Betfair.
I just had a look at figures from last year's tournament and it looks like that was poor too.
There seems to have been a downturn in general over the last year and that's not going to be helped with the disappearance of eurosport and the resulting move to TNT. Grim times for snooker trading on Betfair.
Agreed. From a personal perspective, lots of the Qs are now 8 table affairs where we only get pics from 4, and we only ever get two tables for any of the Chinese events. Those things both limit what I do. Go back a couple of years, and we were able to watch almost every match played on LV.
As you say, the move to TNT is not going to help! I suspect snooker punters who use LV are dwarfed by those preferring to watch ES/BBC/ITV.
How are you finding everything else? So far, the PC change doesn't feel as if it's had any significant impact.... (albeit it has helped my bottom line in the immediate term!)
As you say, the move to TNT is not going to help! I suspect snooker punters who use LV are dwarfed by those preferring to watch ES/BBC/ITV.
How are you finding everything else? So far, the PC change doesn't feel as if it's had any significant impact.... (albeit it has helped my bottom line in the immediate term!)
My other main sport is cricket which has obviously gone in the opposite direction liquidity wise, but it is also getting harder - I have had to change my strategies there to try and adapt/keep up.
If only we had closer to real time pics! Surely not too much to ask for in 2025?!
I couldn't agree more - picture speed has become the main reason I now find it harder than ever.
Quite looking forward to today's two semis.
The rematch between Xiao and Kyren should be fascinating. In many ways, it was Kyren who started the remarkable transformation in Xiao's career. When they last met in the Wuhan Open, Kyren was all but 3-0 up (I've not been back through the thread, but I am close to certain that Xiao needed a snooker, and Kyren played a terrible shot and gifted it to him). How differently things might have gone if that hadn't happened!
Anyway, Kyren is a smidge ahead on all metrics bar recency scoring, where he's a bit behind. The H2H is 7-1 in favour of Kyren, but Xiao is a different animal now. Prices look about right to me, I'd be 2.2 Xiao, not enough juice for me.
Will save the second one for later.
The rematch between Xiao and Kyren should be fascinating. In many ways, it was Kyren who started the remarkable transformation in Xiao's career. When they last met in the Wuhan Open, Kyren was all but 3-0 up (I've not been back through the thread, but I am close to certain that Xiao needed a snooker, and Kyren played a terrible shot and gifted it to him). How differently things might have gone if that hadn't happened!
Anyway, Kyren is a smidge ahead on all metrics bar recency scoring, where he's a bit behind. The H2H is 7-1 in favour of Kyren, but Xiao is a different animal now. Prices look about right to me, I'd be 2.2 Xiao, not enough juice for me.
Will save the second one for later.
Afternoon Lat! Just dumped TNT after having that channel - BT/ESPN/Setanta - for many years only to find out Eurosport is going there 
- looks like a few weeks off and will then have to crawl back 
Hope you've had a decent week.
- looks like a few weeks off and will then have to crawl back Hope you've had a decent week.
Are you with Sky or anybody? You should be able to get it through them without having to crawl, though I guess having cancelled, they might come crawling back to you with an offer you can't refuse? Either way, it'll still be fecking useless for betting from.Been a v quiet week in-running apart from my stronger pre-match views, which have done well.
Yeah - probably have a chat with Sky - see what they will offer. Speaking to TNT they were talking alot about sport being streamed on Disc+ - no idea which sports - but that will be way behind I would assume. As you put earlier 2025 and pics getting mile behind live.
Hope the dosh picks up as we near the World Champs.
Hope the dosh picks up as we near the World Champs.
Yeah, it's shocking, mate. I guess there is no incentive for them to speed them up, sadly....
Considerably less of an event than I was expecting, this one.... 5-1 Kyren
Considerably less of an event than I was expecting, this one.... 5-1 Kyren
Yuan is a smidge ahead on everything bar recency scoring, where he's equal with Baz. Baz does lead the H2H, however, 2-0, and there is a chance Yuan's inexperience at this stage of events counts against him and he freezes, but at the prices it's a risk I'm prepared to take, particularly as he's prevailed in two tight Ws having seen opponents come back at him.
Very good from Yuan. Could easily have missed one of those snookers, 2-0.
Baz taken them well, but you can't legislate for that in-off. 2-1 Yuan.
Flow has completely changed since the two bits of outrageous luck, but Baz has absolutely strangled him since. 3-2 Baz.
Interesting final, but I'll go for Kyren here at the prices. Looks like Hawk's H2h and some recent form have made the market close, but I feel there's still a bigger gap than market thinks here in this final.
I got caught out by backing Kyren against Shaun, but Hawk isn't even at Shaun's level really. If they both play to their B games (quite likely) I see Kyren winning fairly easy over best of 19.
There's no two ways about it, Baz is in far better scoring form than Kyren. Kyren, for the last few months, has been a lot like Judd of a season or two ago where he would just keep getting through despite not playing well and looking potentially vulnerable in early rounds. All the other metrics favour Kyren, some by a little bit, some by a lot.
Baz leads the H2H 11-9.
A few years ago, you would have had doubts about Baz's record in finals, but I think that has been put to bed a bit now.
No bet for me at SPs. See what the evening session brings.
Baz leads the H2H 11-9.
A few years ago, you would have had doubts about Baz's record in finals, but I think that has been put to bed a bit now.
No bet for me at SPs. See what the evening session brings.
A few years ago, you would have had doubts about Baz's record in finals,
I still don't trust his 'bottle', and that can make a mockery of other stats in big games like this.
I still don't trust his 'bottle', and that can make a mockery of other stats in big games like this.
Kyren gifted him a result really at MSI from 2-0 should have been crushing instead.
Surely this German crowd must support Wilson, as he looks a fair bit like their Fuhrer!
Wilson playing like he's 16 and it's a hobby again at moment, awful error on that blue
So far Barry brought his B- game, and Kyren his C game...
Needs to wake up here, though that's not impossible.
Needs to wake up here, though that's not impossible.
5-4 and if this carries on Hawk wins. No sign of the world champ Kyren so far really....
I may have to rethink him at present, his head seems gone.
I may have to rethink him at present, his head seems gone.
As a backer I'm hoping Kyren was rope-a-doping in the first session!
Swear he said his tip is not going to hold all match.
Again, I thought he said "And you can't do anything with it (when it's like that)."
Googling suggests you can get glue that could make it usable in a matter of minutes, though curing overnight is preferable.
Regardless, he's come back strong so far. That's what he needed here.
Baz is frustrated because Kyren's pretty much getting away with anything and everything.
Well done, Kyren. That evening session was head and shoulders the best of the tournament. Excellent drama.
Got job done eventually - odd final performance overall I feel from Wilson, some good some awful
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