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Mark King syspended with immediate effect
Mark King syspended with immediate effect
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An update! Not from WS, mind, but from King himself who is clearly fighting this to the death. Pretty much every assumption I've entertained in this whole crazy saga has been flawed in one way or another, so I'm thinking nothing about it anymore! Just more curious than ever about WS and what its game plan is here.
https://snookerhq.com/2024/05/13/mark-king-gives-snooker-ban-update-after-14-months-in-the-dark/ |
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Wow! Only just seen this story pop up on my phone!
Very interesting to hear he's fighting it and has actually got legal representation on a pro bono basis. Lawyers don't usually take on this sort of work unless they think they're going to win! |
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Absolutely, wouldn't make much sense if they didn't believe he had any case. Also, it might explain the considerable delay in arranging the hearing if WS was under pressure to solidify its own position. Huge embarrassment for them if they lost this.
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100%, mate. King's tone sounds very upbeat, too, TBH.
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if you saw the match in question you can see king is clearly throwing it, cannot believe he will get away with this and allowed back in. Look at xintong, who NEVER threw a match, currently sitting out a near 2 year suspension. Don't tell me king is poor hard done by innocent.
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if you saw the match in question you can see king is clearly throwing it, cannot believe he will get away with this and allowed back in. Look at xintong, who NEVER threw a match, currently sitting out a near 2 year suspension. Don't tell me king is poor hard done by innocent.
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It looked bad. Nobody's saying it didn't, but unless the WPBSA can show evidence that confirms it was as bad as it looked, he will likely be found innocent and cleared.
BTW, Zhao is probably going to be banned for the full 30 months that the CPBSA imposed (and subsequently upheld at appeal) upon him, rather than WPBSA's 20. |
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We obviously don't know the extent of the case they have against king, but i would hope for WS/WPBSA sake it's a bit more thorough than "you only have to look at the video, it's obvious he's trying to throw it m'lud. Prosecution rests". There'll be various betting patterns, bookie testimony you'd imagine, but linking them to the player is the thing. Short of phone/text records, that might prove a difficult thing to do.
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There was a load f weird bets all over the country on the 4-0 result. This was a tinpot tournament. Doesn't require columbo figure it out. King actually did a pretty terrible show on trying to make it not look bad if that was his intention , I vaguely remember one middle pocket red which was pretty much a dolly and he missed it by a foot.
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Unless there's anything tying him directly or indirectly to those bets, it's circumstantial.
Snooker does sometimes make you like a right mug, especially if you're not feeling it for whatever reason. Using your argument, Butch wasn't off again JakJ at the Crucible. Shot-by-shot on the link below. . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieEEAZsG2Yo As someone's said in the comments, maybe he was feeling rough and some people got wind of it, told their mates etc? In that sort of tournament, it wouldn't take much money on a correct score bet to raise a red flag. And it doesn't necessarily mean he was deliberately chucking it. And Perry didn't exactly play no-miss snooker himself. |
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*your miss argument
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WPBSA only have to satisfy that it's more likely than not to have occurred (civil law balance of probabilities). It's hard to see he has a leg to stand on with dodgy betting patterns matching a dodgy performance. If this was a criminal trial the burden of proof would be much higher and they would need to link the player to payments etc. but no one would ever get banned if that was the standard.
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I'm not sure anybody is saying king is likely to get off here, I certainly don't think so anyway. The burden of proof is normally so overwhelming in these cases that I'd say the proportion of those charged winning their case is minuscule. And yet, a nagging doubt persists here. Why is that? If there has been a case where a player was done on the basis of a dodgy video and a number of apparently random bets on various outcomes alone, then I am unaware of it. Even in cases where guilt is uncontested, you will notice an impressively forensic account of the various fixes and how the player is linked to every part of it. Anyway, if it was totally unnecessary to even establish these patterns, why did King have to wait an unprecedented 14 months for a hearing? Why would it even take a month? Not like we're in Sherlock Holmes territory here, is it?
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Bottom line is, we haven't actually got a Scooby about what they know/don't know, other than a fairly upbeat message from King himself thanking his pro bono legal team for being amazing.
Some of Perry's own misses in that match would have raised red flags if there had been dodgy betting patterns against him. Hell, there have been plenty of times in the last season alone where I've been half convinced someone is throwing a match, only for them to eventually fall over the line. It doesn't always have to be crooked to look bad. And King did seem to spend quite a bit of time 'shaking out' his left hand after missing, like he was feeling something. Was he? Who knows?! As John says, without some kind of tie to King with those bets, and the time it's taken to get to this stage, it does make you wonder just how flimsy the case against must be. |
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i still say the biggest fix in snooker history is the higgins v davis world champs
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Another three and a half weeks on, and still nothing official....
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*from King's statement
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More delay, you'd think they could have sorted this one way or the other before the new season so King at least knew where he stood. A month would be the longest you'd expect for a decision in a case like this (the mass Chinese corruption cases took two) so we should be seeing white smoke in the next few days or else the whole farce just gets deeper.
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Note: Kings statement came a week after the hearing so we're already over the month waiting already!!
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he will be allowed back on tour, just watch
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And another three and a half weeks of silence....
You could not make this up! |
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Yan Bingtao: from initial suspension to hearing - 4 months
from hearing to decision - 47 days Mark King: from initial suspension to hearing - 14 months from hearing to decison - 58 days and counting... What the actual f... is going on? |
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A very good question, mate
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Shelley Higgins, niece of alex, posted couple of days ago that verdict was expected "in the next few days." Don't honestly know is she well connected or not, but that would suggest early next week if she is. Snookerbacker mentioned something about king supposedly having a hand injury pre-game. Craig saying he has stuff to post but is waiting for the decision before he does. Just snippets I picked up over the past few days.
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Interesting, mate. I picked up on him shaking his hand out a lot in one of my replies above.
We wait with bated breath. |
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nice excuse, head injury..no doubt the bosses will swallow it
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Dunno but i'm beginning to think, just an inkling, that Shelley might not be all that well connected after all
 65 days and counting.... |
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The REALLY weird thing for me, mate, is that if King hadn't told us himself, none of us would be any the wiser that the hearing had taken place at all. Why are the authorities keeping the whole thing so close to their chests?
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Absolutely mate. The radio silence from the beginning is really hard to get the head around. I was perplexed by Kings near total silence - his 6 May statement was and is, I think, his only public utterance on the whole affair - but the corresponding silence from the wpbsa is even more baffling. Pretty certain this must be the first time ever no public announcement was made about a hearing taking place, at the very least that's worthy of the "news" section on the website! Tbh I'm blase about the ultimate finding now, what interests me is the procedure and why the apparent need for stealth. Staying completely open minded but these are big questions to answer.
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Yeah, I think Jason Ferguson announcing he'd been suspended is literally their only public comment. The whole thing is extremely odd.
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It wouldn't even shock me that they reached the decision weeks ago, just nobody told the press about it. Nothing would shock me about this case anymore!
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I've just checked. They don't appear to have sneakily stuck him back on the rankings list
 Though I note we do only have 126 names on it at present.... |
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Seriously, it wouldn't surprise me if they released the draw for the first 128 event and kingy's name is lurking there in the middle of it. Quizzed by reporters, Jason Ferguson offered a terse "Mark King has been given a wild card with full tour rights. No further comment." Alighting from a brand new Porsche, King winked at the assembled reporters and said it was good to be back. "Just a little misunderstanding was all," he smiled. "I'm glad it's all been cleared up". |
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Just seeing on twitter ranking pro apparently got 3 year jail sentence for domestic assault. Nowt to do with king and it ain't Liang Wenbo. Name of a mid ranking uk player has been mentioned but not sure if legit so won't mention it. Sure it will all be revealed soon enough. Fck me, what a season and haven't even seen a single shot played yet
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Fck it, name well and truly out there. Michael White jailed for 3 years for domestic assault. Weird only hearing about it now after sentencing but there you go.
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 Well known to suffer from demons, so would have certainly been top half of the list on "Guess Who?" if you were told someone had. Still a shock, all the same. |
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True mate, alcoholic and all round mess of a person. I'd read he'd quit the booze 1-2 years ago but no shock if he fell off the wagon and resorted to old ways. Supposedly not first time he'd resorted to violence, fckin skumbag. Bailed in March apparently so was playing in tournaments while all this was going on, WST going to have questions to answer on that front I think.
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Just add it to the list, mate!
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Oh yeah...it's on the list I'm just about to send straight to Jason Ferguson's junk mail folder to save him the bother of having to read and delete it!
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