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The Management
23 Nov 21 13:53
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1)  No thread yet? - get yer finger out Lata you slacker!

2)  Weird to think that BO11's is now a marathon in snooker terms!

3)  Does anyone know the TV games for sure? - Assuming The Chav is first up but only basing that on names and amounts matched on here.
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Report bobweenit December 3, 2021 8:55 PM GMT
Loveleh Zhao my b0y
Report bobweenit December 3, 2021 8:57 PM GMT
W0w Betfair forum meet up's haha would have been funny that, I tried to meet up with a couple of mugs of the forum after they badgered me into buying a ticket then they both bottled it. Not in the same ilk as Gin and co Cool
Report bobweenit December 3, 2021 8:58 PM GMT
Classic 2 p0int performance this s0 far i bet s0dull is pulling at gis bald patch as we speak[Grin
Report bobweenit December 3, 2021 9:05 PM GMT

Dec 3, 2021 -- 8:53PM, Latalomne wrote:


DT showing he's almost as well versed in betting as Hendry.

Report bobweenit December 3, 2021 9:05 PM GMT
As soon as I clicked reply I knew haha
Report bobweenit December 3, 2021 9:06 PM GMT
Basically Jim said before with the odds all infront of him and Kyren at 11/2 , whoever wins this match goes massive odds on in the O/R
Report Latalomne December 3, 2021 9:10 PM GMT

Dec 3, 2021 -- 9:05PM, bobweenit wrote:


As soon as I clicked reply I knew haha


LaughLaughLaugh

Report Latalomne December 3, 2021 9:11 PM GMT

Dec 3, 2021 -- 9:06PM, bobweenit wrote:


Basically Jim said before with the odds all infront of him and Kyren at 11/2 , whoever wins this match goes massive odds on in the O/R


LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

Report Gin December 3, 2021 9:16 PM GMT
bobweenit03 Dec 21 20:57Joined: 09 May 10 | Topic/replies: 86,003 | Blogger: bobweenit's blog
W0w Betfair forum meet up's haha would have been funny that, I tried to meet up with a couple of mugs of the forum after they badgered me into buying a ticket then they both bottled it. Not in the same ilk as Gin and co Cool


Yeah, they were funny nights in lots of ways!
Report Latalomne December 3, 2021 9:27 PM GMT
Looking like a really good shout, Bob.  Hope you went in again when Jack was in for 3-0.
Report Gin December 3, 2021 9:36 PM GMT
Impressive! ShockedShocked
Report Latalomne December 3, 2021 9:38 PM GMT
83% pot success (2Pt) ain't going to get it done against many players, TBF.
Report wisewords December 4, 2021 1:34 AM GMT
great shout bob
Report Gin December 4, 2021 4:15 PM GMT
"Don't be surprised if this frame doesn't go to a decider" says DT CrazyCrazy
Report Gin December 4, 2021 4:22 PM GMT
**This Match  BlushBlushBlushBlush
Report Latalomne December 4, 2021 4:41 PM GMT
Well done, Luca.
Report wisewords December 4, 2021 6:51 PM GMT
Baz or China's snookering equivalent to Roger Federer?
Report Latalomne December 4, 2021 7:00 PM GMT
Baz won't give as many chances as Jack did, that's for sure.  Baz the more reliable, but Zhao has that ability to just blow people away, IF they let him.
Report Latalomne December 4, 2021 7:18 PM GMT
Feet and inches, that one, Barrington!
Report Latalomne December 4, 2021 7:46 PM GMT
2-0 Zhao
Report pandora1963 December 4, 2021 7:53 PM GMT
xintong is so talented , just an absolute joy to watch
Report pandora1963 December 4, 2021 7:54 PM GMT
put this lad on main table every tournament
Report Latalomne December 4, 2021 7:54 PM GMT
3-0 Zhao
Report pandora1963 December 4, 2021 7:55 PM GMT
wonderful stuff
Report pandora1963 December 4, 2021 7:55 PM GMT
brecel v xintong will be some match
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 4, 2021 8:05 PM GMT
Silly Barry.
Don't invite your dad to watch when he never does usually
Wangs the pressure on that does.
Report pandora1963 December 4, 2021 8:06 PM GMT
barry won't be winning tonight even on top form, not against this kid
Report Latalomne December 4, 2021 8:08 PM GMT
4x 75+ breaks in 4 frames.  Very impressive.

4-0 Zhao.
Report pandora1963 December 4, 2021 8:08 PM GMT
star is born
Report pandora1963 December 4, 2021 8:09 PM GMT
to the manor born..
Report Latalomne December 4, 2021 8:17 PM GMT
Baz pot success after 4 frames, 81%.  Even worse than Jack!
Report Latalomne December 4, 2021 8:48 PM GMT
4-1.  First bad miss from Zhao.
Report Latalomne December 4, 2021 9:01 PM GMT
5-1
Report wisewords December 4, 2021 9:17 PM GMT
China's Roger Federer is pretty good, isn't he?
Report Latalomne December 4, 2021 9:18 PM GMT
6 breaks of 74+ in 7 frames.  Very good indeed.

Baz still made it too easy, though.
Report pandora1963 December 4, 2021 9:23 PM GMT
first time i have heard him speak, what a  nice lad
Report appformat December 5, 2021 8:03 AM GMT
tough one to call this one. coin flip of a match. hoping one of them forges ahead early so can get a decent trade on the other for a comeback.
Report appformat December 5, 2021 8:12 AM GMT
BF's pre-event SP's:
200/1 Brecel
800/1 Xintong
Report Latalomne December 5, 2021 8:38 AM GMT
I remember Luca's one and only ranking final to date, where he played The Governess (China Championship 2017).  He ended up winning very comfortably on the scoreboard, but it was an absolute $hit show of a match.  Some of the nerviest snooker I can ever recall.  Just checked, and he won 10-5, but only made 2 breaks over 50 in 15 frames played!  LaughLaughLaugh

As for Zhao, he's been scoring really well all season, but he's never looked like he's had it in him to go all the way in events before - there's nothing in the locker if the potting's not firing.  In fact, some of his results this season have been utterly dreadful (losses to Aaron Hill, Paul Deaville - a 17 year old playing the first professional tournament of his career - and Peifan Lei).  It's hard to see where the improvement has come from.  I do think both Jack and Baz fell into the trap of trying to beat him at his own game, and it wouldn't surprise me completely if Luca did the same.

Add in that this is pretty much an alien environment (a ranking final) for both, and anything could happen (though granted, Zhao does seem to have this innate ability to just shrug things off).
Report pandora1963 December 5, 2021 9:37 AM GMT
very dismissive of probably the biggest talent in the game since a young ronnie , surely you can see what a special player he is latalomne , i'm talking about xintong here
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk December 5, 2021 10:18 AM GMT
Special players don't go off at 800/1 start of tourney, imo
The players nowadays all take it in turn to win
There's no stand out.
It was Judd last year
Report Latalomne December 5, 2021 10:19 AM GMT
He's a great potter, Pandora.  His scoring has been phenomenal this week.  That is not in question.  If you are trying to tell me he has a tremendous all-round game, however, I am going to tell you that you are wrong.  If you leave him chances, on this week's form, he will take them.  The answer, therefore, is to not leave him chances.  Don't take on risky pots.  Put him in trouble.  That is your best chance of countering his scoring.
Report pandora1963 December 5, 2021 10:21 AM GMT
well i just love watching him play, its like poetry in motion, definitely reminds me of ronnie in his teenage years
Report Latalomne December 5, 2021 10:54 AM GMT
He's pretty much played no-miss snooker for 11 of the 12 frames from 2-1 down v Jack, so I completely get that.  It won't always work out that way, however.
Report The Management December 5, 2021 11:43 AM GMT
Agree with Lats - It's great to watch bit it's difficult to win 7 matches on the trot (i.e. win a tournament) playing one-dimensional "no-miss" snooker - If you don't believe me, ask Judd Trump. Trump has won roughly the same number of tournaments (including the World Champs) in the few years since he (finally grew up and) changed his approach, as he won in the preceding 15 years of playing one-dimensional "naughty snooker".

Zhao is a proper talent when it comes to potting balls and can blow absolutely anybody away - but he's also capable of getting slaughtered on a non-going day and capable of missing by a foot when trying to get out of a snooker even when he is on a going day!
Report The Management December 5, 2021 11:50 AM GMT
If you want a list of under-achievers in the game (relative to their ability and incredible natural talent) just look for the one-dimensional (try for the pot every-time) players: The young Jimmy White and Trump probably the most high profile on the list - but Brecel, Lisowski and Zhao all probably fall into the same category unless they mature at some stage.
Report Latalomne December 5, 2021 11:52 AM GMT
Add Theppy to the list, too, TM, though of course he IS a ranking event winner!  Excited
Report The Management December 5, 2021 12:05 PM GMT
Theppy is a good shout - they'll all have "a day in the sun" at some point - but I'm not having the Shoot-out as ranking Lats!LaughLaugh

Or the six reds (when they no doubt try to make it ranking)! Cry
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 12:10 PM GMT
xintong fav with me
Report Latalomne December 5, 2021 12:49 PM GMT
Speccy still didn't have a hotel room for last night at 11pm!  Laugh
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 1:03 PM GMT

Dec 5, 2021 -- 12:10PM, wondersobright wrote:


xintong fav with me


his english is good as well

Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 1:04 PM GMT
10 world championships LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report england_v_south_afri December 5, 2021 1:05 PM GMT
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 1:07 PM GMT
Grin
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 1:10 PM GMT
"its borg v mcenroe" LaughLaughLaughLaugh this lot are on crack
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 1:11 PM GMT
right cmon xintong smash this dwarf
Report pandora1963 December 5, 2021 1:17 PM GMT
this lad is something special
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 1:17 PM GMT
1-0
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 1:18 PM GMT
cueing beautifully again
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 1:18 PM GMT
he's called frame already
Report Latalomne December 5, 2021 1:19 PM GMT
Lovely opening red.
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 1:19 PM GMT
that's end of frame
Report The Management December 5, 2021 1:58 PM GMT
A great watch so far but this is still true....

The Management05 Dec 21 11:43Joined: 27 Dec 00 | Topic/replies: 6,408 | Blogger: The Management's blog
capable of missing by a foot when trying to get out of a snooker even when he is on a going day!
Grin
Report Latalomne December 5, 2021 2:29 PM GMT
Desmond.

Interesting final so far.  Still no nearer, mind.
Report alfee December 5, 2021 2:36 PM GMT
Fancy Luca to Win After Watching 4 Frames.
Report mr_sykes December 5, 2021 2:44 PM GMT
was the masters seeded last year?dont remember it being
Report Latalomne December 5, 2021 3:56 PM GMT
Mr S - Yes.  Defending champion #1, defending World Champion #2, remaining seeds in ranking order.

Big misses from Speccy that frame, leads 4-3.
Report Latalomne December 5, 2021 4:06 PM GMT
Luca trying to break the rhythm?
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 4:06 PM GMT
5 snookers needed Shocked
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 4:06 PM GMT
top class shithousery
Report Latalomne December 5, 2021 4:08 PM GMT
I'd completely missed it was the final frame of the session.  Makes it all the more bizarre.
Report Latalomne December 5, 2021 4:08 PM GMT
5-3 Zhao
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 7:24 PM GMT
any more odds against xintong available?
Report Latalomne December 5, 2021 7:28 PM GMT
His pot success for the last three matches must be insane.
Report pandora1963 December 5, 2021 7:30 PM GMT
loving this, he just does it all so casually
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 7:31 PM GMT
and me pandora
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 8:02 PM GMT
8-4 Grin
Report pandora1963 December 5, 2021 8:04 PM GMT
10-5 final score i reckon, by 9.30 pm
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 8:24 PM GMT
bucket plant
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 8:28 PM GMT
bucket
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 8:49 PM GMT
give us puristville 1 time
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 8:50 PM GMT
trouble
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 8:57 PM GMT
9-5 Cool
Report pandora1963 December 5, 2021 9:08 PM GMT
will be fantastic to see him at the masters, which hes in now
Report keyboard_line December 5, 2021 9:09 PM GMT
fantastic performance from the young man
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 9:09 PM GMT
Cool
Report pandora1963 December 5, 2021 9:09 PM GMT
well play Zhao, what a player, fantastic
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 9:09 PM GMT
another 1 for the numbers
Report wondersobright December 5, 2021 9:11 PM GMT

Dec 5, 2021 -- 9:08PM, pandora1963 wrote:


will be fantastic to see him at the masters, which hes in now


yep...plays john boy

Report The Management December 5, 2021 9:13 PM GMT
Harsh for Luca - loses this final and in doing so, Zhao also nicks his place at the Ally Pally from him.
Report pandora1963 December 5, 2021 9:13 PM GMT
kid has no ego, great to see
Report davyb December 5, 2021 9:38 PM GMT
so pleased for Zhao to fulfil his potential, I remember some match he was involved in around 5 yrs ago and I recall me saying to my m8 that this kid was the future of snooker as he is such a great talent, I just want lisowski to make the break through now as jack is no less talented than Zhao in my opinion.
Report gjohn101 December 5, 2021 9:59 PM GMT
Watched him blow a 3-0 lead against Aaron Hill only a few weeks ago and simply cannot fathom how that same player could have gone on to do what he did this week. It's simply incredible. Fair play to him anyway, sport could do with one or two more like him.
Report FatherMaguire December 5, 2021 10:56 PM GMT
Brilliant tournament that - snooker needed something like this to shake it up a bit. 2 great lads in the final
Report thegiggilo December 6, 2021 12:07 AM GMT
Different gravy just like James White in his early days,could easily be the peoples champion..Shocked
Report differentdrum December 6, 2021 12:13 AM GMT
I actually backed him for this and the World Championship after he beat Higgins. As per my earlier comments on this thread having seen him against Lines I thought that money was well and truly down the pan. Ye of little faith. The Management was spot on. Bet Fred who were the longest when I placed my bet on the World Championship are now the shortest at 20/1 so perhaps they took a few bets at the big price?
Report Latalomne December 6, 2021 9:12 AM GMT

Dec 5, 2021 -- 9:59PM, gjohn101 wrote:


Watched him blow a 3-0 lead against Aaron Hill only a few weeks ago and simply cannot fathom how that same player could have gone on to do what he did this week. It's simply incredible. Fair play to him anyway, sport could do with one or two more like him.


And he was out-safetied by 17-year old Paul Deaville, in his first ever pro-tournament, the following week.  I'm struggling to fathom it, too, John!  Maybe it's the big stage that has been the making of him?  I certainly can't recall too many times when he's been on the main TV table, and CueTracker's notes about TV matches are sufficiently sporadic as to render them non-trustworthy.

Anyway, impossible to knock his final performance.  Very well done to the lad and to everyone who believed.

Report differentdrum December 6, 2021 10:55 AM GMT
This just emphasises the luck attached to gambling. There are probably several who saw what I saw against Higgins many years ago. By now they have probably given up on him. Had I not seen the Higgins, and instead first watched the Lines match there is no way I would have bothered.
Report gjohn101 December 6, 2021 11:57 AM GMT
I remember when Davis came back from china, after been beaten by Xintong, and talking about this "future world champion" so I kept an eye on him ever since. One thing always struck me, he was always favourite when he played in the juniors, world u/18, u/21 amateur etc, and always found a way of getting beat, can't even recall him making a final. Wasn't just that he'd no safety game, not many kids have, but there seemed to be at least one stupidly bonkers shot every frame, crazy low percentage stuff. And the few times I'd seen him lately, he wasn't giving me much encouragement he'd moved on significantly. So, like lats, I'm just stumped by what happened last week. The discipline and composure more than the potting, the latter wasn't in doubt.

Fair play to him and to backers. I'd still be wondering how that game could stand up to the demands two weeks of the crucible marathon, but then, what do I know anymore Confused
Report Blackrock December 7, 2021 1:00 PM GMT
Started watching Zhao about 5 years ago. Knew he was this great potter and very entertaining. He was always on the outside tables with just about 3/4 people watching.

He often failed to get over the line, and seemed more intent on his phone than getting the result. Glad to see his talent shine through at the highest level, and hope he doesn't think he's now a bigtime charlie.
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