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He's going to win 9-5 having played just alright for him and having won 7 frames in a row. Robertson must be disappointed.
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Robertson has had chances in nearly all the frames.
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Rip Neil of the Robertsons from Ozzie land
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cricketnut2 21 Feb 16 20:10
Feb 21, 2016 -- 7:35PM, johnnythebull wrote: just another run of the mill choker Robertson is no choker, thats for sure. He's just missed some balls ur having a f*cking larf,dude yeah,he's just missed a few balls cos he's shat himself get ursel' to specsavers |
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no century in the whole match
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until now
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141 finish wasn't bad.
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is Ronnie the best ever?
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He will be by the time he's retired. Will end up overtaking all of Hendry's records.
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he's 40 now and still playing genius snooker
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wasn't Hendry a shell of a his great self by 40?
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mercurial,capricious,fluent genius and a battler as well
no one to touch him just intimidates everyone on the circuit |
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Ridiculous performance from a ridiculously talented man. No question the best ever. Could win another three or four World Championships imo.
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a rolls royce who plays at dragster speed
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Would beat most pros left handed.
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Just shows you the lack of great players that have come through when Ronnie can patronise Neil like that in his winners speech. Robbo and Selby are very good players but won't ever be among the greats imo and Judd will never get within an asses roar of it.
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Trump has the talent to win trophies but doesn't produce consistently when it matters.
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Ronnie my friend, could beat anybody who's ever played the game. F A C T
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You do realise just how good Neil Robinson is I hope. Ronnie is just on another level to anyone who has ever played. He puts so much pressure on players. They know if try cant afford any lapses or its over.
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Robertson .
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agree with hitman
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Yes I think I have a fair grasp on how good Robertson is, i'm just saying I don't rank him as one of the greats of the game, not yet anyway. 2 UK titles, 2 masters, a world champ - that's not bad, but overall his World Champs record is fairly moderate and I think there were flaws in his game exposed today. O'Sullivan didn't play particularly well from what i saw.
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Absolute mugfest tey again,surely these players have to turn up some time absolutely pathetic..
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Balls have never entered the pockets so easily as they do today on these super cloths, they will slide in and that is why every player has improved his long game and the breakoff has become so important.
Tiddlywinks has become more interesting than todays snooker game and is the major reason why the game is struggling to find new talent. Ronnie will boss these tables and players because they are not as difficult as those he learned his skill against and its also the major reason why so many of Hendry's victims have found a second coming. Trump and Robertson are the best of a bad bunch that in earlier days would have barely made the 16, neither are long on bottle or craft as Gentleman John so rightly suggests. Davis and his Parrot are searching for answers as to why so many older players are extending their careers and appearing in so many latter stages but the answer is simple, its because tables have become easier to make a big break on but its gone too far and the game is being dumbed down. A young Hendry would have destroyed this lot and while you have to admire Ronnies performances he is not as good as he once was but he does not have to be and that is a great sadness for the game. |
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Good to hear from you moondan and glad to see you're still "enjoying" the snooker. I wouldn't say i'd get as fixated as you about the whole dumbing down angle, the game is what it is as far as i'm concerned, but would accept you hvae a point as to how the oldies are able to remain competitive long after they should have been put out to pasture. At least I've yet to hear a more compelling argument put forward. I'd love to hear hendry's take on it, I mean his real honest, off the record opinion and how he thinks he'd fare in his 40s under today's conditions.
Have to admit it makes me slightly uneasy to hear commentators waxing lyrical about today's standards as centuries are racked up in virtually every second frame. I can accept players are improving technically, that's just logical really, but not that the standards are all that superior to the 90s or 80s or even before. Certainly not on the mental side of the game anyway! Or to put it another way, the Sheriff and Kyren Wilson sharing 6 consecutive tons or whatever it was the other week merely makes me wonder about things as opposed to seeing them as superstars of the game. |
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Prof Steve Peters has worked wonders for Ronnie imo :)
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Gentlemanjohn,
I watch the odd match now but the conditions have changed the game to make the big breaks easier. I was tuned into 411 the other day and for the first time heard a commentator give a sensible explanation for what has happened to the game and he put it very simply just saying the conditions of today are very different to those a few years ago and players of a decade ago were better at some things than those playing on these super cloths each, required different skills. That does not tell the full story but it leaves the heavier cloth player with a little more respect which is fully deserved. Tables of this past 6-7 years have become progressively slicker as the game has tried everything to eradicate the kick. They are fully aware that if they returned to the thicker cloth it would make big breaks less common. |
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Gentlemanjohn,
I had to post earlier than I wanted because I keep being logged off. I am glad to read your comments because you have seen the decades pass and understand that science has had its input in all sport and none moreso than snooker with improved surfaces to play on. Todays player can exploit conditions that did not exist just a few years ago. Things move on in all things but that does not make it better, for me its less skillful but understand others may see that differently but what we can all agree on is, it has changed and completely unfair to compare different tests. Re Hendry, For me he will always be the hardest player to beat that has ever played the game and he has the record to prove that, he has also compiled 7 centuries in 10 frames in a uk final a feat Ronnie has yet to do. Ronnie will never win 7 world titles because he has one weakness and that is top class bottle. Anyway , he is great to watch but he needs to prove he is the best and fans should remember Hendry won all his titles on the table, not bestowed with questionable opinion. I will pop in now and again but most tournaments are little better than pool matches and after 50 years of being a fan of the game its tough to take. |
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It is like pool tables so you get next to no tactical or safety play which is a shame. That was and should be an integral part of the game.
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I agree with nearly everything you say Moondan(gis by the way)
 it has become farcical players that were cannon fodder 10-15 years ago now reaching finals,semis and even world totles in binghams case.These players have suddenly improved mark davis,joe perry,how mark Williams is winning any matches is beyond me he's playing at 20% of his game.Anyone who's been watching the game for at lest 20 years can see there's blatently something going on with the tables century after century it's beyond a joke and like you it think it's become monotonous we're even almost getting a 147 evey other tournament as well all the players know the tables are playing easier so take everything on.That is completely ruining the game as you say it just turns it into a game of pool and much reduced skill...take a look on general betting I;m running the best thread on betfair...  |
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gigs!!
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Mark Davis ,Joe Perry and Mark Williams might win matches but they will not win titles. Eddie Charlton ,Doug Mountjoy and Terry Griffiths were winning matches in their forties so I don't get it. Ronnie lacks top level bottle ? Do me a favour lol. Also I wouldn't be at all surprised if he won 7 or even more World titles Moondan. You were telling us he wouldn't win another one five years ago !
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I dont agree ROS lacks bottle, he's a headcase but nothing to do with bottle imo, but as regards the age factor, it's obvious something has changed. There are 5 players over 40 in the current top 16, go back 10 years to 1996 and there was only 2 (Davis, White) or 20 years to '96 and there's only 1 (Griffiths). The average age of the top 16 in '96 was 30 compared to 36 now. Obviously, the average age plummeted in the 90s cos of the new wave that came through when the game was opened up in '92. But the age has been going up gradually ever since, and perhaps there are logical explanations for that, but I believe it's plausible enough, as moondan suggests, that conditions are playing a part.
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Real snooker fans know the truth,if you've been watching it for 20-30 years it's blatently obvious,it was getting suspect 5/6 years ago I remember on here all the bollox about the standards so high bullsh1t never believed it but couldn't put finger on it.Infact it just seems to be getting worse and worse so has become even more obvious,especially to the shrewdies not the fanboys new era of snooker watchers!!
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I believe the pockets/cloth/conditions are easier but I still think O Sullivan is the best ever by a mile.
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hitman76 - by a mile? There is a legitimate argument regarding whether O'Sullivan is actually better than Hendry, so to say he is by a mile is ludicrous. Under no objective criteria is O'Sullivan substantially ahead of Hendry, other than longevity. But, it's a subject best debated during Sheffield, when opinions, either way, will become even more polarised!
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Hendry on different planet to any known player in history of the game and I was a white,higgins fan and o'sullivan when he was younger,hendry was unbeatable at his best but even when he played poorly would suddenly take out unbelievable pressure clearences from knowhere.Have never seen or will there ever be a player that has done both,a true champion and battler o'sullivan great front runner but knowhere near the class of Hendry when in dire positions infact I would only just have him ahead of john Higgins and davis.
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