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Is he on the wind up or just f**king senile?
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Stop shouting OZY .
The anomaly you bring up is Gibson . Strange that you would also have to include Jack Kyle , Ollie Campbell , and maybe one or 2 others as better outhalves than our last 2 ( who are / will be multiple Lions ) . Thats too many anomalies for any validity in your statement . I saw these guys play , often . You didn't I suspect . If you did I would respect your call , but if you didn't see them play you cant compare them with current players . I have earned the right to do that by virtue of age and spectating since the age of 6 approx . |
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As a point of reference OZY , what is your opinion on George Hook and his overall knowledge of rugby ?
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I am not trying to compare individual players of yesteryear with individual players of today. Why do you keep suggesting that I am?
I AM TALKING ABOUT SKILL LEVELS ON THE WHOLE. THIS SHOULD BE ****G CLEAR TO YOU BY NOW AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Can the men in the white coats please take him away? Failing that take me away. They should have employed him to break people at Guantanemo Bay. |
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No opinion on George Hook , OZY ? Strange , you have opinions on nearly everything that moves on the forum . Point scoring mainly .
George Hook ? |
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George Hook knows plenty about rugby.
You will now proceed to say that he picked oldtimers X Y and Z ahead of current player A B and C...so what? That has no bearing on the discussion at hand, you have still failed to grasp this central point. Bore off and annoy somebody else. If I ever get to your stage of senility, can somebody please euthanase me! |
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Glad you acknowledge Hooks handle on rugby . Thats a plus . The relevance of his views and how they align with yours to be explored . Assuming he is not senile of course .
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His time will come, yours already has. When was your last check-up?
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I'm not being funny by the way.
I know you were a bright and successful man. And being involved in 'system design' would would expect a logical and rational mind. That's doesn't come across anymore in the way you structure argument and debate. It is very irritating to be on the other side. |
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"the way you structure argument and debate. It is very irritating to be on the other side."
oh the irony   |
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I have been around long enough OZY not to be phased by people attempting to shout me down . Anyone who wants to can attempt that . And I only express opinions on things I have experience in and sometimes involvement with . A check up on posts would verify that , dont know how to do that myself , and I know its true anyway so why bother ? I have no expressed opinion on most things / forums on Betfair . Statistical analysis would verify that . My comments are confined to things I know about or have experienced , suggest that might not be a bad model for others .
Ref senility , thankfully it does not exhibit itself in our family . My mother is 98 , lives alone with no help from the state physical or mental , and is 100% on the ball . As am I thankfully despite attempts to convince me otherwise . Betfair would be a dangerous place for anyone senile . I embrace Betfair every day , changed my life ( which hasn't been bad ) since retirement . |
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well, take it form me you know f**k all about rugby.
As regards no sign of senility in your gene pool that's reassuring. But no harm having a check up anyway because something ain't right. |
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100yards in 10 secs would equate to just under 11 secs for 100m. Very good time for those days, but you are completely over egging it to say he was doing 9.7 for 100m as in relative terms he is nowhere near going under 10 secs for 100m.
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Never suggested that the vis . Times nowadays are way ahead of the 1950's . The relevance was that he was near to world record figures , which few if any of todays Irish rugby players are as far as I know . They train and consume for bulk and collisions nowadays .
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Never suggested that the vis
Do you forget posing the following question? My question was " can any current rugby player run the 100 metres in 9.7 He can' remember what he said 5 minute ago. F**K it I am just going to block him . |
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Insightful post at 13.20 OZY . Check out the statistical analysis re number of posts OZY , from flagfall on Betfair . I never thought anyone could be so knowledgeable and have so much input to forums . Including posting "senile" descriptions on someone with views contrary to yours , real or imagined .
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing . |
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The contents of this post have been hidden for this blocked user: Kelly.
You can manage your blocked users list here . |
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OK Kelly I see what you were meaning now.
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Thread of the year vote from me. Is this what normally goes on over on the Irish forum?
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To quote you , OZY , ffs read the posts .
The vis obviously cannot distinguish between 2 different concepts , OZY . Apparently neither can you . The 2 seperate views / questions were : 1. That David Hewitt was world class as a runner . No mention of him doing 9.7 for 100 metres . Somehow the vis and latterly youself have managed to mix up 2 seperate assertions . 2. A seperate question regarding any current rugby player being world class in sprinting terms . The reason for asking this is to include comparison like for like relative to eras . Maybe that is a concept too far , or too simple . I remember exactly what I posted , but you are trying to skew my posts to score points OZY . Next you will be telling me that Don Bradman ( 1930 to 1950 approx in first class terms ) was nowhere near the current batsmen who are being exposed as sub standard every night on our screens ( whose size , diets , expert back up MUST render them better than those in the past the mantra goes ). Bradman , Gibson , Elliot , Hogan , Nelson , Snead , Nicklaus plus plus were just better than almost any of the current lot of sports people we see on our screens regulalry . If thats senility talking so be it , I just put it down to a lesson of history and a dispassionate analysis of ability , and having seen them . |
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25 minutes and Cambridge have lost 2 players in the Varsity match . Fits in with comments expressed in this and other threads re physicality and injuries etc . And nobody wants to leave the field in a varsity match -- too few opportunities for that .
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now icbd is blocking people. it is irony piled upon irony.
couldn't make it up |
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Not even bettigonice got blocked. He was a scoundrel but at least he was a proper rugby man. And Compos Mentis
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"A proper rugby man" OZY ? Hardly pc these days . Maybe there are degrees in rugby appreciation . I prefer to view rugby as one of many enjoyable sports we see . But I see the drawbacks inherent increasingly in it as a sport for the participants . The Varsity match has lost 3 players after 34 minutes . That is a high rate of attrition in my book . Particularly if one of them is a son or a grandson .
I am not picking the matches . This one is relevant because its happening now . Acknowledge the realities and stop labelling people as senile . |
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I can't hear you. No matter how many pills your are on, its not enough.
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Conticuere omnes , OZY .
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And personal comments/ unsubstantiated knowledge show up juvenile tendencies .
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Much as I'm enjoying this from the sidelines..... Being within 0.4secs of the 100y world record isn't 'world class' sprinting, it's an age. The current world record is 9.59, so I'd posit that anything around 10.1/10.2 would be broadly equivalent of your man. Interestingly Carlin Isles is an athlete turned rugby player for USA and is burning up the 7s circuit beating players for fun, his PB being around 10.1. No-one is suggesting he is any good though, whilst being able to run very fast is a 'skill', it doesn't necessarily follow that that makes for a 'skillful' player.
I'd agree with the view that, on the whole, players are more skilful now, as they simply have far less time in which to make decisions. That doesn't necessarily make for a better game mind you. |
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Sorry Desmond , anyone who can run within 0.4 of the world record in any era is world class in my book , particularly if its not their chosen first sport .
Related to other rugby players of his era , David was yards faster , and electric . I saw him . And so did a lot of others , as he played for the Lions . Apart from his ability to run fast , he was intelligent and had a brilliant rugby brain . Rugby is an amalgam of various skills ( not as many as some other sports I could mention , but thats another debate ) . But pace , strength in the run , bravery and ability to out-think your opponent are skills most backs would like to have . They are some of the criteria I apply anyway . The fact that you know about some USA player who is fast enough to run 0.5 secs close to the world record is useful info . Also the fact that by your count he aint much good at rugby , or particularly skilful . Thankfully David Hewitt ticked all the boxes , he is part of the jigsaw in relation to skill factors past and present . But only if you saw him , anyone who didn't has to trust my judgement ( or look his record up ) . There were a lot of players in the past who were not particulalry skilful , most of the forwards were picked because they were a certain shape , irrespective of whether they could get about the field . Thats one of the reasons I chose GAA before rugby , big slow boats had no place on a GAA field , in fact were often a danger to shipping through lack of skill and clumsiness . Have to stop there , otherwise the "anti rugby" adjectives will start to appear . In relation to skills , no comment I ever made as far as I can remember was in relation to forwards , my comments were always exclusively targeted at backs where generally you can see what is happening . Cambridge NO 9 dropped a simple kick off catch there towards the end of the match , simple catch , nobody near him . If any of us had dropped such a catch on the GAA field , we would have been straight off . And that was 50 years ago plus , arguments re relative skill levels not crossing sport boundaries yet . |
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Google : David Hewitt-British & Irish Lions . Just looked it up myself , first time . Guess everything I have posted about him checks out if you read that . Even OZY might look it up and comment . But probably not , no points to be scored by doing that .
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Well, we will have to disagree on what constitutes 'world class' sprinting then Kelly, as half a second over 100m is assuredly a lifetime. Furthermore, I'm sure that if Mssrs Hewitt or Isles felt that they were capable of making a living from sprinting (admittedly harder in Hewitts largely amateur days), then they wouldn't be risking life and limb on a rugby pitch, Isles tried it and couldn't presumably because those times are not world class. I know if my lad had the potential to go under 10s for 100m, I wouldn't let him anywhere near a pitch and I'm a rugby man to the core - fortunately he's a hooker and is more likely to drain a pint in under 10s than run 100m!
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i'm pleased to see this thread has not gone
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Since when did they allow internet in nursing homes anyway?
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Did you google that OZY re David Hewitt ? Interested to hear your comments if you can tear yourself away from trying to score points and showing off how infantile comments can replace logic .
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What is GAA? Is it the Irish version of UFC?
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Desmond , the tenor of you last post suggests you regard rugby as fairly dangerous . Despite my view on it which does not sit well with the afficionados , I still am a rugby fan with an increasing caveat re injuries and the advisability of encouraging younsters to step onto the field with guys substantially bigger and stronger . The nature of the game obviously puts players into contact as a big feature of the game . And whats the point in producing "touch rugby " youngsters if they cant advance to top level unless they are big .
My view re encouraging youngsters to play the game is becoming more "fashionable" . That is of no interest to me , but a lot of youngsters are not physically cut out for playing the game at a decent level . Thats a big minus compared to yesteryear when wee small kids could play scrum half , and will of the wisps out half . If I was running rugby I would be scratching my head wondering how to redress the current trend towards physicality . |
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In the course of googling David Hewitt who comes from rugby royalty given that his family connection supplied many Irish players apart from himself , I came across this quote ( recent ) from him " to play rugby nowadays I would require a lobotomy " . How sad a comment on the modern game and the so called "development " of the sport . Many others also admit they dont know where the game is going , largely because of physicality . Guess I am not a voice crying alone in the wilderness .
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GAA is the Gaelic Athletic Association , monstrous Brian . Virtually exclusive to Ireland playing wise , certainly at decent levels of ability .
Gaelic football and hurling are played on decent size pitches , 160 yards by 100 yards maximum , and 15 a side is comfortably accomodated on that size of pitch , even with 17 stoners aboard( not many of that size , no advantage given the constant movement nature of the games ) . Ireland played at Croke Park while the Aviva was being changed from Lansdowne Road , those familar only with rugby were astonished when they saw how much space there was green when the rugby pitch was marked out on the playing area . There is not enough space on a current rugby pitch for 15 huge men a side . No one is addressing that though . Heads in the sand . |