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notbothered
10 Mar 13 11:01
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Referee: George Clancy (Ireland)
Touch judges: Nigel Owens (Wales) & Mathieu Raynal (France)
TV: Simon McDowell (Ireland)

Venue: Twickenham Date: Sunday, 10 MarchKick-off: 15:00 GMT

england: 15 A Goode, 15 C Ashton, 13 M Tuilagi, 12 B Barritt, 11 M Brown, 10 T Flood, 9 D Care, 8 T Wood, 7 C Robshaw, 6 J Haskell, 5 G Parling, 4 J Launchbury, 3 D Cole, 2 T Youngs, 1 M Vunipola.
Replacements: 16 D Hartley, 17 D Wilson, 18 J Marler, 19 C Lawes, 20 T Croft, 21 B Youngs, 22 F Burns, 23 B Twelvetrees


Italy: 15 A Masi, 14 G Venditti, 13 G Canale, 12 G Garcia, 11 L McLean, 10 L Orquera, 9 E Gori, 8 S Parisse, 7 R Barbieri, 6 A Zanni, 5 J Furno, 4 Q Geldenhuys, 3 M Castrogiovanni, 2 L Ghiraldini, 1 A De Marchi
Replacements: 16 D Giazzon, 17 A Lo Cicero, 18 L Cittadini, 19 A Pavanello, 20 F Minto, 21 S Favaro, 22 T Botes, 23 T Benvenuti


Lancaster has made five changes to his starting line-up following the victory over France two weeks ago
•England have won all 18 previous meetings against Italy, spanning 22 years.

Italy are predictably massive underdogs heading into the clash having never beaten England and anything other than a win for the Grand Slam hopefuls would be classed as one of the biggest upsets in the competition's history


i think there is value in the handicapp betting -26 italy.is the way to go
what do you think chaps
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Report TheVis March 10, 2013 3:27 PM GMT
Trouble for Italy backers on cap is they could get ripped apart last 20 if Burns comes on and gives it a go.

Flood how have you not scored?
Report tiny dave March 10, 2013 3:27 PM GMT
England fail to convert 7 on 1 attack

Zzzzzz

Why don't you guys just stick to kicking long and taking 3s
Report leroyb March 10, 2013 3:27 PM GMT
how big was that overlap?
Report The real Moaner March 10, 2013 3:27 PM GMT
If that was league, Italy would have had the ball back ;)
Report Dr.Cypionate March 10, 2013 3:28 PM GMT
flood is itais MOM so far
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 3:29 PM GMT
Mug Of the Match Laugh

Actually a short pass was a great option too.
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 3:29 PM GMT
Clancy finds Italy a free kick.  Scrums and refs. Twas ever thus.
Report Latalomne March 10, 2013 3:31 PM GMT
HTF have we not scored a try yet here?
Report Dr.Cypionate March 10, 2013 3:32 PM GMT
fk off clANCY..that was  a pen against italy then in the scrum
Report tiny dave March 10, 2013 3:34 PM GMT
Still don't know how we didn't score on their try line

Me n my mates could have scored a 7 on 1 attack
Report The real Moaner March 10, 2013 3:35 PM GMT
Impression I get is that England are trying to score 50. Not beat Italy.
Report Kriskin March 10, 2013 3:35 PM GMT
In my opinion Wales look a cracking bet next week to beat this current England team
Report Dr.Cypionate March 10, 2013 3:37 PM GMT
keep running it right down the middle against 14..pathetic
Report Kriskin March 10, 2013 3:38 PM GMT
England are CLUELESS
Report Latalomne March 10, 2013 3:40 PM GMT
WTF sort of a ball was that?!?
Report tiny dave March 10, 2013 3:40 PM GMT
This reminds me why I prefer rugby league than union

This is plain boring thought give it ago expecting points but this is plain watching paint dry
Report Lufc86 March 10, 2013 3:42 PM GMT
No chance this lot go to cardiff and win
Report tiny dave March 10, 2013 3:42 PM GMT
England getting worried take the three zzzzz
Report Dr.Cypionate March 10, 2013 3:44 PM GMT
it was 6-3 course they take 3Cry
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 3:47 PM GMT
Eng just throw it wide rather than cutting back every time please........
Report tiny dave March 10, 2013 3:47 PM GMT
Jesus Christ how many more chances they want to butcher??
Report tommo0001 March 10, 2013 3:51 PM GMT
insipid is the best word to describe this mess
Report stewardsenquirey March 10, 2013 3:51 PM GMT
Wales won't be that worried after watching that half.
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 3:53 PM GMT
hells bells that Flood non-try is pathetic. It was 5 on 1
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 3:53 PM GMT
The big shame here is if it stays this tight Burns won't get a go.
Report stewardsenquirey March 10, 2013 3:54 PM GMT
It was harder not to score a Try than score.Shocking
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:00 PM GMT
I still think Eng will cover
Report sonofshinner March 10, 2013 4:02 PM GMT
did you see the hierachy before the anthems all scarfed up,the young woman singing the anthem displaying bare shoulders,big tough rugby sorts,what a laugh,as for the game itself its rubbish.
Report The real Moaner March 10, 2013 4:04 PM GMT
Italy in to 55 from England getting 3 here?!
Report tiny dave March 10, 2013 4:05 PM GMT
Same old England

Get points and on kickoff straight under pressure, they never learn
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:07 PM GMT
great scrum Italy.  A couple more pens and it would be squeaky bum time.
Report lee h2 March 10, 2013 4:07 PM GMT
drivel..

every penalty takes over a minute...every line out the same..scrums take forever.

ball in play for about 20 minutes

if they were playing league they would get slaughtered
Report tiny dave March 10, 2013 4:08 PM GMT
This what winds me up about rugby

What does 3pts do for Italy here? They'll still be two scores down

Grow a pair
Report The real Moaner March 10, 2013 4:08 PM GMT
I'm amazed anyone could think they'd be better running it.

This is attritional stuff. I find it enthralling.
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:09 PM GMT
It they were playing league nobody would be there Laugh
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
cat amongst the pigeons time Shocked
Report Latalomne March 10, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
What an absolute load of sheeeite
Report The real Moaner March 10, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
Draw chance here?!
Report leroyb March 10, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
hmm italy @30's for fun?
Report tiny dave March 10, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
Try Italy

This pure embarrassing since scoring a penalty

They fail secure restart
Give away penalty
Put no pressure on restart
Allow kick to go into touch
Kick ball ten yards backwards
Give up a try

All that in two minutes

My local team could be more professional
Report Latalomne March 10, 2013 4:11 PM GMT
Can't even bring myself to have any three figures, TRM.
Report The real Moaner March 10, 2013 4:13 PM GMT
I had a HT lay of England at 1.01... wish I'd have let it run a little bit longer!
Report Mr PEW March 10, 2013 4:13 PM GMT
Love it ! Love it !

England to score at least 5 tries says Sir Clive .

The establishment is all over this game .

Butler and Robertson are more one eyed for England than Sir Clive .

England should be dominating world rugby , makes me vomit !!
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:15 PM GMT
Good in yer face stuff from Italy here - bad pen miss though.  Eng well on the back foot.
Report Dr.Cypionate March 10, 2013 4:17 PM GMT
how long will it take to work out flood is the problem!
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:17 PM GMT
what a skinner for the first try layers - 12.75k matched on a market where only 16 is on the winner.  Huge win for the market makers.
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:18 PM GMT
Not a great game for Burns to come on though is it?  Might do him more harm than good.
Report Mr PEW March 10, 2013 4:20 PM GMT
Look at the size of the buggers!
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:20 PM GMT
feck off clancy that ball was on the ground
Report tiny dave March 10, 2013 4:26 PM GMT
Once again England score penalty and give a penalty away within a minute
It's brainless
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:26 PM GMT
gives us a fat lad rumble Italy
Report The real Moaner March 10, 2013 4:26 PM GMT
How low can the draw go here.
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:27 PM GMT
not very unless Italy get the try of course
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:28 PM GMT
an attacking scrum with Eng looking under pressure would give the market a few jitters though
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:30 PM GMT
nothing kick from Flood puts Eng right under pressure again
Report tiny dave March 10, 2013 4:31 PM GMT
England's kicking game has been woeful today it anything it's been asset to keeping Italy in this
Report curious-cat March 10, 2013 4:31 PM GMT
England dead meat if they play like this v Wales
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:32 PM GMT
If Farrell is not fit Eng could easily struggle
Report tiny dave March 10, 2013 4:34 PM GMT
You know England will win by 14 just piss everyone off
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:36 PM GMT
ffs clancy Eng are getting munched in the scrums - give some pens
Report Rainier Wolfcastle March 10, 2013 4:36 PM GMT
Clancy at his best (worst) here. Every scrum and ruck an absolute lottery
Report RugbyMan March 10, 2013 4:37 PM GMT
It's a sad thing to see the players we all know are weak links keep getting picked, then play poorly again.

Flood is somewhat forced through injuries (Burns is only just back from a period out) but Ashton meanwhile, well I simply don't see the point in him being on the field. His positioning is poor, he misses tackles, the try was scored down his wing yet again. What does he offer?

This was a good game to bring in a different winger (something already overdue) but we stick with the same and he looks poor again.
Report Rainier Wolfcastle March 10, 2013 4:38 PM GMT
Ffs Clancy, can England do no wrong? Absolutely nobody on their feet and they're killing EVERYTHING
Report Rainier Wolfcastle March 10, 2013 4:39 PM GMT
JESUS CHRIST how have Italy not got an advantage here?!?!
Report alun2005 March 10, 2013 4:40 PM GMT
Ye Gods, there's only one team in this. And they're losing.
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:40 PM GMT
When was the last time he gave a pen against Eng ffs?
Report leroyb March 10, 2013 4:41 PM GMT
Shameful from Clancy. England making no effort to roll away there a several rucks
Report alun2005 March 10, 2013 4:42 PM GMT
What a rubbish clearance
Report RugbyMan March 10, 2013 4:42 PM GMT
If Italy could pass ahead of their runners they would be winning this.

One last push Italy!!
Report Rainier Wolfcastle March 10, 2013 4:43 PM GMT
This is horrific, I haven't a bean on it but Italy are being totally ripped off by clancy.
Report The real Moaner March 10, 2013 4:43 PM GMT
This has been the best game to trade for 1.0s since New Zealand v Ireland in the 2nd test. Awesome stuff.
Report Rainier Wolfcastle March 10, 2013 4:43 PM GMT
Not slow about giving England a pen though, eh?
Report RugbyMan March 10, 2013 4:44 PM GMT
I wish I could have got some money on Italy losing that line-out.
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:46 PM GMT
Great half from Italy.  Shame Clancy was so white eyed
Report Rainier Wolfcastle March 10, 2013 4:46 PM GMT
Mike Brown bails them out at the end. Different class.
Report RugbyMan March 10, 2013 4:46 PM GMT
Good lord, Venditti nearly came up with some magic there.
Report Latalomne March 10, 2013 4:46 PM GMT
Fair played Italy, but we were awful throughout.
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:47 PM GMT
Not that big a win needed by Wales next week then to nick this.  Good finish in prospect.
Report RugbyMan March 10, 2013 4:47 PM GMT
I think that having a full back like Brown on the wing doesn't make you look exciting, but it does win games. Expecting to see England line up with Foden, Brown and Goode in the back-three at some point.
Report leroyb March 10, 2013 4:48 PM GMT
what do Wales need to win by?
Report Rainier Wolfcastle March 10, 2013 4:48 PM GMT
I HATE SHANE HORGAN STFU YOU ANNOYING PR!CK
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:49 PM GMT
8 I think.
Report Rainier Wolfcastle March 10, 2013 4:50 PM GMT
Yep 14 points difference in it at the moment.
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:51 PM GMT
7 to be level then I don't know what..........
Report RugbyMan March 10, 2013 4:51 PM GMT
Wales have 2 more tries so they have to win by 7pts only I think.
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:51 PM GMT
some low eng backs for the outright will have a nervous week
Report Mr PEW March 10, 2013 4:53 PM GMT
Should Wales win by more than 14 points the establishment will insist on alphabetical order !!
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:53 PM GMT
OK cheers RM I heard BBC say it was on tries but they of course never gave the totals.  So what does that make Wales really?  3/1 shot?
Report RugbyMan March 10, 2013 4:57 PM GMT
We could have the bizarre sight of the team in front playing fast and loose at the end as if they are losing.
Report TheVis March 10, 2013 4:58 PM GMT
You can get 13/8 Wales and the draw for next week.  That looks fantastic value.
Report stewardsenquirey March 10, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
Italy V Ireland is the game I'm interested to see both Match odds and Handicap next week.
Report RugbyMan March 10, 2013 5:04 PM GMT
Great to see that everyone has something massive to play for next week (bar Scotland).

Italy beat Ireland and they avoid the wooden spoon and finish 4th at worst. France need to win to avoid the spoon, but might get it anyway if Italy win their game. Ireland of course could get caught out by both if they don't play well in Rome.
Report Monstrous Bryan March 10, 2013 8:34 PM GMT
Think that is the best thing that could have happened to England ahead of next week. Get a stuttering, lumbering, almost undeserved win, which should help to temper the media somewhat, while also bringing about a renewed team focus.
Report benny_ROBS_roy March 10, 2013 11:43 PM GMT
hardly the best thing.. if they had won by even a below par 20 points the title would be in the bag
Report Kelly March 11, 2013 1:33 AM GMT
Apart from the winning aspect to the match , England supporters cant be over the moon tonight .  Played with little flair , lost a lot of turnovers , surely this side did not beat the Kiwis .
Report GT-MOLE March 11, 2013 2:20 AM GMT
England have always sought to destroy the game,all about a single kicker of the ball.

Lucky to get the points yesterday........from Italia.......Vaffanculo,merda.
Report khyber kim March 11, 2013 8:45 AM GMT
Well we've seen how bad they can be,it goes without saying that a repeat of that performance and Wales will bury them. I wouldn't back England with stolen money if Fllod starts next week.

The early missed touch finders from Flood didn't help. They were on top very early and I think they would have got tries from one of the line outs and they would have won on the bridle.

A big positive is that they won when to me they seemed dead and buried

I doubt the points difference makes any difference now, the last thing the England team will want is to lose the match by a couple of points and win the competition.

It's all about the Grand Slam and winning the game or all that's gone before will mean nothing.
Report TheVis March 11, 2013 9:23 AM GMT
Agreed. Will seem a bit hollow to lose the game but win the comp.

Robshaw will need to spend some time this week thinking about what to do at the end.  Perhaps the most intriguing is what do you do if you are 3 down late and get kickable pen?
Report RugbyMan March 11, 2013 2:22 PM GMT
Kick for the corner. Not much to be gained by missing a grand-slam by a single point and if you bodge either Wales would still have a chance to go the length for a try to win the championship.

Would have been more interesting maybe if Wales only needed 6pts and England had a kickable pen at the end while 6pts down. Would have to take it I suppose, but would be nice to think that the try would be attempted, just doesn't make enough sense in what can be won and lost.


Strong claim for Wales being the best team in this tournament IF they hadn't played like tarts in the first 40 minutes against Ireland. Otherwise they have looked more dangerous than England and equally tough up front. You just can't have a 40 minute brain explosion and expect to win games though. Would have been an even better way to end the comp if they had beaten Ireland.
Report Rainier Wolfcastle March 11, 2013 2:55 PM GMT
I'd kick the penalty all day long... Plain
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