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Any reason why NZ won't continue with their trend of obliterating teams here? Hard to see them being so wasteful again as they were against Aus. Conrad Smith comes back into the attack whicih must be worth around 10 points in terms of being more clinical. If Argentina, come out and try to attack, they're likely to be opened up so the only real question is... how long can they hold out?
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blowing a gale here even by wgtn standards. breeze will have an impact
very windy and now here comes the rain. anyone who took an early 'cap on Arg should be well pleased.
Yeah, just saw the rain when the camera went pitchside for the Haka. Looks like it's blowing a gale too. Trouble is that nobody plays better in these conditions than the ABs!
AB's may play well in bad weather bound to make scoring tough and Arggies love an arm wrestle
Managed to get some on Unders in the low 40s so hopefully this nasty weather continues. Perfectly set up for the Argies to play a tight game now.
Come on Poite. How did Arg not get a pen for tackler not rolling away?
dunno why Arg kicked for touch there but good build up play, lots of AB mistakes
So NZ have a huge wind behind them and instead of hoofing it away from their tryline they give it to Nonu - a man with hands like tits on a wet day?
You get what you deserve sometimes.
You get what you deserve sometimes.
how many NZ knock ons already? Arg handling conditions better and NZ have wind advantage too
Good stuff so far from Argentina. Even scored a try so far, which is more than they usually achieve. NZ look confused.
apart from a couple of really stupid pens a very impressive start from Arg.
Argies have a real chance second half can make it to half time with this still a one score game. Huge wind advantage favouring the ABs at the moment.
if Arg can stay within 9 at the half they could have a real chance of winning this
as long as they wind stays in same direction
as long as they wind stays in same direction
That would have been very interesting if Hernandez got to that first. Real chance for Argentina to go ahead there. NZ offering nothing.
Poite was been very quick to notice Arg offside earlier but any number of NZ players not behind the ruck there.
Yes, refereeing certainly not favouring Argentina at the moment. Seems to be the same offences being treated differently.
That pass was 5 yards forwards ffs.
That pass was 5 yards forwards ffs.
How can they not see that????
Went over the Puma defenders head!
Went over the Puma defenders head!
Just as well he found a defensive pen there as that pass from Smith was miles forward.
i think you may have to reconsider the "nobody plays better in these conditions" comment Dunc. they look a bit lost at the mo.
at least it should help the, so far pretty poor, NZ decision making being against the wind in 2nd half as they will just have to keep it in hand
at least it should help the, so far pretty poor, NZ decision making being against the wind in 2nd half as they will just have to keep it in hand
NZ shoving scrum half over = no pen. Player going down after rucking player = pen. I wonder if that would have been the same if the shirts were the opposite colours?
AB's have been pathectic in this Championship so far.You could maybe blame the weather today,but they were dross in the 2 previous games against The Wallabies.
Jesus Poite, they were 5 yards behind where Cruden knocked it on by the edge of the 22 and it's advantage over?
another physics defying turnover from the AB's
how do they do it????
how do they do it????
If NZ have been pathetic I think we should all get on SA heavily because NZ waltzed past the Aussies last round.
Well, if NZ keep getting bailed out by Poite they will probably get a victory here, but right now they don't look capable of achieving it on their own.
Ha ha nl, they look a little bit lost and but for a lot of help from Poite they could well be behind here. Some very dumb rugby played by them given the wind they had. That's the difference between Cruden and Carter though. The youngster doesn't have the game management skills yet. Carter would've kept Arg pinned in their own half there and just waited for the mistakes to come.
Indeed Dunc. Cruden has made big strides in past 12 months, but he's still more like Giteau than Carter. Looks very good with time/space or in an attacking game. Difference is Carter can look good in just about any game.
Funny you should say that RM,because I was looking at Punting The Boks today(But the Boks rarely seem to be able to beat the Wallabies recently)
i hope Arg are not too tempted to just keep kicking the ball down field here when they have had plenty success with ball in hand. they have certainly frustrated the AB's
SA like Perth and if they cant walk through this Australia pack they may as well all give up the game. Worst Aussie performance I have ever seen in round 2. I have to have a crack at SA +4.
I'm not sure there's a better 10 in the world than Cruden on the front foot with ball in hand at the moment, but in terms of an all-round game and ability to read the situation I doubt we'll ever again see anyone as good as Carter.
teams back in the shed since nobody can see anything at the ground...
The thing about Carter is how easy he makes it look. Just ambles around the field at times, timing everything beautifully and not exerting himself. Closest player to him right now is still Nick Evans.
Would suit if they couldn't get the lights back on and voided this game.Bit of a long shot I know 
This could be a real issue here if it is a general problem in the area, not just the ground.
just give them all miners helmets and get on with it imo
Going to be tough for both players after this delay, but particularly for Arg to stay mentally focused. So often we see teams keep it tight against NZ in the first half, but then can't hold out for five mins of the second.
Should be some good old fashioned up and unders from Argentina now. Wouldn't fancy Dagg's job in the second half.
poitre is at fault for this scrum whys he delaying the engage call longer than he should waiting for them to go early?!?!
how can the ref warn it will be a pen "next time???" it is either a pen or it isn't ffs
If you stab grubbers through, don't let them run it back down a 1 yard channel!!
Very odd for both teams to replace a back-row pretty much at half-time.
Very odd for both teams to replace a back-row pretty much at half-time.
Love Justin Marshall as a commentator. Makes a change from the usual one-eyed chumps we get.
not having to think too much about tactics here is certainly helping the NZ players
That was a ridiculously harsh call. First man in and was on his feet until he got the ball.
Albacete was there, over the ball, NZ player hanging on to it. Equals a NZ pen, obviously.
Huge miss as it's nigh on impossible seeing Arg scoring a try here.
can't afford to miss chances like that, poor effort
Would be a bizarre result if we get to the end and NZ have won without scoring a try.....
ive jumped ship now at 1.07..you cant miss kicks like that and win games
was the card for the knock on??? seems harsh if it was
Hell of a hit on Romano. NZ still can't get over the line.
Good yellow card to get. Saved a certain try and worth the gamble for his team.
Who made the hit on Romano before that though? BOFF!
Who made the hit on Romano before that though? BOFF!
Isn't Romano something like 18 stone? He built up a head of steam but was just knocked dead in his tracks!
was a deliberate knock on ... not an early tackle imo
Yes, was a clear yellow for me. He nearly managed to knock it backwards though, which would have been a hell of an effort. All came from a messy scrum early on.
powers go 30/1 handicap draw minus 11... that's a bet imo
You've got to love how NZ arrowing straight down at a ruck is fine, but Argentina doing it is a pen.
BAH. Really need NZ to have gone closer to the posts. Cruden can't kick from straight in front, not got a hope from wide out.
Said Conrad Smith was good for 10 points earlier, but 5/7 and a guaranteed victory is just as good.
Why did Camacho come off his wing? They were properly numbered up!
Why did Camacho come off his wing? They were properly numbered up!
that's the way to use the extra man. i wish some of our players would watch how NZ just use short passes through the hands rather than the pointless loopy long missed passes they always seem try. plus they make sure they use the man outside
It's a bit of a weird tactic NZ use, getting their locks to pass the ball on in midfield. They don't commit anyone because you can see a lock forward lining up to pass from 15 seconds earlier. Just lets the defence come up.
Yep it's not rocket science nl, but lovely when it comes together. Winger stays out, then it's draw your man and pop the pass.
Bugger that's the end of my NZ 1-12
Bugger that's the end of my NZ 1-12
It's a relief that Argentina have put in some performances. They've got Australia to play at home still, which is a genuine chance of a victory, and they've stood up well here and against SA. Would have been a bad thing all round if they had been smashed.
agreed rm but we knew the pumas were no mugs. playing this sort of rugby over a sustained period with the travel etc will be a new and difficult experience in the short term but it is bound to pay big dividends for Arg rugby in years to come
Yes, certainly hope so. Just a shame that their 2007 side didn't have this chance.
Some massive hits going in, but they still need more confidence going wide.
Some massive hits going in, but they still need more confidence going wide.
You look at Argentina and you look at Austrlia... goes to show that first and foremost you need a pack to be competitive in this game. Ironically though, I think they might find Aus next weekend their toughest task. Seven day turnaround, two weeks on the road and they don't like playing fast sides. Aus know that they can't win in an arm wrestle.
the increased exposure from this tournament should help increse the player pool in coming years and argentina certainly have the population numbers on their side although they are of course all soccer daft
I think Argentina might struggle next week as well. Really nasty travel schedule, although right now they look the better side.
Hopefully SA will have softened the convicts up nicely by then. Expect a brutal showing next up.
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