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By:
TheVis
When: 20 Jul 12 21:46
WTF?
By:
grrrrrowl
When: 20 Jul 12 21:46
lol unbelievable
By:
Latalomne
When: 20 Jul 12 21:47
Again, another TMO who wants to be the star of the show.....
By:
DonNo1
When: 20 Jul 12 21:47
Good decision imo
By:
Banned_Banks
When: 20 Jul 12 21:47
Can't work that one out!
By:
book
When: 20 Jul 12 21:47
blatant push
By:
The real Moaner
When: 20 Jul 12 21:47
Maybe it's Saints bias, but I don't think that's as bad as some we've seen.
By:
Banned_Banks
When: 20 Jul 12 21:47
are you sure?
By:
Banned_Banks
When: 20 Jul 12 21:48
I wanted it to be disallowed but didn't really expect it to be.
By:
TheVis
When: 20 Jul 12 21:50
I wanted it given as was a live draw position whatever happened to conv
By:
TheVis
When: 20 Jul 12 21:50
1.1 jaysus
By:
TheVis
When: 20 Jul 12 21:50
hells bells 1.02 even there
By:
The real Moaner
When: 20 Jul 12 21:53
How stupid was a DG there!
By:
The real Moaner
When: 20 Jul 12 21:55
What a game that was! And how good was the crowd as well. Great to see such passion.
By:
der_der_73
When: 21 Jul 12 14:26
have to make a comment on the sending off.  Everyone keeps saying how they have to be consistent with the Moa decision earlier in the year.  The Moa decision was wrong!!!!!!!  The players are going in with their shoulder aiming at the guys chest/shoulder, all legal.  The force from hitting with the shoulder in that area throws the players head forward which then connects with the person making the hit...........that is the art of the hit with the shoulder, you smash the living day lights out of them, all part of League and legal as you are not targeting the head!

Refs better stop this nonsense as it will turn League like Union where big hits on the chest are not allowed.
By:
suitangi
When: 22 Jul 12 08:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfuQ-n8jR-4
By:
khyber kim
When: 23 Jul 12 08:59
Do you make it up as you go along Der Der? Read the rules.
By:
der_der_73
When: 23 Jul 12 14:37
Khyber Kim, the shoulder in league has been around for years, it is a skill.  No head shot, no attempt to hit the head, fair shot.  Can you tell me the rules please?????
By:
TCat
When: 23 Jul 12 15:22
It is not a legal tackle to simply shoulder charge the opponent. You have to make some attempt to tackle him with your arms as well as hitting him hard.
By:
der_der_73
When: 23 Jul 12 15:55
TCat, where did you get that from?  In league a big hit is allowed, you can hit them with your shoulder.....so i think you are talking about the other code.  He was sent off for contact with the head which i didnt see.

So can all the guessers please make sure you are aware of the difference between league and union when it comes to tackling.
By:
RugbyMan
When: 23 Jul 12 20:37
Both Moa and Puletua hit a players head with their shoulder. You can make a big hit, but you are not allowed to attack the head. It's therefore very simple, if you smash someone on the chin you may well be in trouble and in both cases a lot of damage was done illegally.

Lot of issues with ex-sportsmen suffering from head injuries picked up years previous. Madness to suggest that these tackles shouldn't be penalised heavily.
By:
TCat
When: 23 Jul 12 20:54
http://www.therfl.co.uk/~therflc/home/zone/RUBGY_LEAGUE_RULES.pdf

search for 'shoulder charge' to find the following :

Defenders are not allowed to shoulder charge the ball carrier in order to effect a tackle.
A defender who runs at a ball carrier and makes no attempt to tackle, grab or hold the ball carrier, but merely makes an attempt to effect the tackle by the use of the shoulder shall be deemed to have committed an infringement.
By:
RugbyMan
When: 23 Jul 12 21:04
Is it worth pointing out that in union there is nothing in the laws to prevent a big hit on the chest either? I'm not sure much research is being done here.
By:
TCat
When: 23 Jul 12 21:19
The above rule seems pretty clear. Unfortunately, in the last few years the term 'big hit' has been redefined by the RL television commentators most of whom are retired players themselves and should know better.
By:
RugbyMan
When: 23 Jul 12 21:24
We all love to see big hits and it's great to see players being smashed back. Knocking someone out by shouldering them in the face is a bit like running up behind someone and hitting them in the back of the head though.

Those rules are certainly clear enough. Smashing someone with the shoulder is illegal, full stop.
By:
TCat
When: 23 Jul 12 21:26
Exactly. We all enjoy a good, hard game.
By:
der_der_73
When: 25 Jul 12 17:23
ah forgot to reply to this........

1. Did the ref penalise TP for a shoulder barge?  No, he gave the scrum.  All the years watching league i have never seen anyone penalised for a shoulder barge.  Morley, Sam Burgess wouldnt have a career if they did.

2. He sent TP off for contact with the head, the ref clearly stated this after watching it on video.  So again, no penalty for the shoulder barge.

You can use the shoulder in league and i would like someone to show me where a player has been penalised for it.

3. With regards to the pdf you sent me, they obviously have never or do not enforce this rule.

I thank you.

4. Union i have seen many penalties for people being tackled the chest area.
By:
khyber kim
When: 25 Jul 12 19:42
5. I will post examples of these chest area tackles that I have seen penalised in Rugby union...
By:
der_der_73
When: 25 Jul 12 21:38
well they wont make it on you tube because they are not exciting enough.  Have you never seen penalties for big hits on the chest in union ?
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