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Saracens 15 Alex Goode, 14 David Strettle, 13 Owen Farrell, 12 Brad Barritt, 11 Chris Wyles, 10 Charlie Hodgson, 9 Richard Wigglesworth, 8 Ernst Joubert, 7 Will Fraser, 6 Justin Melck, 5 Mouritz Botha, 4 Steve Borthwick (c), 3 Matt Stevens, 2 Schalk Brits, 1 Rhys Gill.
Replacements: 16 Jamie George, 17 Mako Vunipola, 18 Carlos Nieto, 19 George Kruis, 20 Jackson Wray, 21 Neil de ****, 22 Adam Powell, 23 James Short.
Clermont: 15 Lee Byrne, 14 Sitiveni Sivivatu, 13 Aurélien Rougerie, 12 Wesley Fofana , 11 Julien Malzieu, 10 David Skrela, 9 Morgan Parra, 8 Elvis Vermeulen, 7 Alexandre Lapandry, 6 Julien Bonnaire, 5 Nathan Hines, 4 Jamie Cudmore, 3 Davit Zirakashvili, 2 Benjamin Kayser, 1 Lionel Faure.
Replacements: 16 Ti'i Paulo, 17 Vincent Debaty, 18 Daniel Kotze, 19 Julien Pierre, 20 Julien Bardy, 21 Ludovic Radoslavjevic , 22 Brock James, 23 Jean-Marcel Buttin,
Date: Sunday, April 8
Venue: Vicarage Road, Watford
Kick-off: 16.30 BST (15.00 GMT)
Referee: Alain Rolland
Replacements: 16 Jamie George, 17 Mako Vunipola, 18 Carlos Nieto, 19 George Kruis, 20 Jackson Wray, 21 Neil de ****, 22 Adam Powell, 23 James Short.
Clermont: 15 Lee Byrne, 14 Sitiveni Sivivatu, 13 Aurélien Rougerie, 12 Wesley Fofana , 11 Julien Malzieu, 10 David Skrela, 9 Morgan Parra, 8 Elvis Vermeulen, 7 Alexandre Lapandry, 6 Julien Bonnaire, 5 Nathan Hines, 4 Jamie Cudmore, 3 Davit Zirakashvili, 2 Benjamin Kayser, 1 Lionel Faure.
Replacements: 16 Ti'i Paulo, 17 Vincent Debaty, 18 Daniel Kotze, 19 Julien Pierre, 20 Julien Bardy, 21 Ludovic Radoslavjevic , 22 Brock James, 23 Jean-Marcel Buttin,
Date: Sunday, April 8
Venue: Vicarage Road, Watford
Kick-off: 16.30 BST (15.00 GMT)
Referee: Alain Rolland
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rain doesn't look set to last - though of course things will be wet now.
Leaving this one to in-play though overall I think the French are the better team.
Fofana anytime at 3/1 under the PP offer is my try scorer interest.
Leaving this one to in-play though overall I think the French are the better team.
Fofana anytime at 3/1 under the PP offer is my try scorer interest.
Joubert 13/2, lapandry 11-1 and Kayser 12-1 anytime for me.
Sarries/Clermont 8-1
Under 37.5 10/11
Sarries try before 38 5/6
Sarries 10/11 as a starting position.
Sarries/Clermont 8-1
Under 37.5 10/11
Sarries try before 38 5/6
Sarries 10/11 as a starting position.
that sarries/clermont price is surprising ging - too late for me to get on that so good luck
Feckin Norn iron commentator. Surely Sky can find someone with a less offensive accent/voice!
5 mins in and no forum whinging about Alain! Must be a record 
Clermont firing so far. Only team I can imagine beating Leinster in this comp, but they are in serious debt to their fans so far in the Heineken. Maybe this is the year.
Not the first time Parra has rolled around on the ground a lot after a hit. If even Charlie Hodgson is clothes-lining people this game will be savage.
Gill, Brits and Stevens certainly isn't a scrummaging trio to be scared by.
Shows up the fact that Sarries dont quite have the finances of some teams. Props cost a lot and I dont think they can afford the very best.
Shows up the fact that Sarries dont quite have the finances of some teams. Props cost a lot and I dont think they can afford the very best.
Gill has always been an imposter. Nieto might not offer much around the park and probably wouldn't last the 80, but I'm amazed they didn't start him today given how strong Clermont are at the set piece.
Nieto is probably the most consistently illegal scrummager around. Would no doubt do a better job here though.
Not really sure whats wrong with that from Kayser. First in, not shifted off the ball, hand on it throughout. Harsh.
What's this nonsense that the Sarries fans do with their hands before a kick? Seen them at it before, I think German soccer fans do a similar thing.
No great surprises here. Greasy surface, more rain falling, two very strong defences, only 3-9.
Quite possible that the deciding factor will be the scrum and very little else.
Quite possible that the deciding factor will be the scrum and very little else.
It's not too surprising, they've looked out of their depth whenever they've come up against the top European sides before and Clermont are a power house who have felt the pain before. Sarries don't have the experience of Leicester and Northampton in this comp yet.
Parra down in a heap again after getting brushed. Ridiculous kick from him as well. All those runners and he gives Sarries easy ball.
A step too far again for Sarries I think.
Big step up to take on Clermont. Extraordinary amount of talent in that French team. Got a bit of Clermont -7.5 at a nice price, so got to hope they dont do a French thing and shut down now.
Big step up to take on Clermont. Extraordinary amount of talent in that French team. Got a bit of Clermont -7.5 at a nice price, so got to hope they dont do a French thing and shut down now.
I wouldn't say Byrne is back to his best CC, but he's certainly playing better than he did in his last year at the Ospreys.
Not kicking pens to touch probably helps!
Not kicking pens to touch probably helps!
there we go then the two best teams in europe in one semi
I make Clermont favs for that, but we will prob get scratch on the market.
I make Clermont favs for that, but we will prob get scratch on the market.
saracens toothless in attack, really being showed up here as a very average side. Eng teams in general haven't been at the races at all
Where is it going to be Vis, or do Clermont get the choice now?
Can't be their main stadium can it? But still essentially a home game.
Definitely the final as far as it matters. Be funny if the winner lost in the final, but I cant see it.
Can't be their main stadium can it? But still essentially a home game.
Definitely the final as far as it matters. Be funny if the winner lost in the final, but I cant see it.
need a try from somewhere but haven't even threatened so far
Leinster will have these lads for breakfast, they are different class at the moment.
I heard that off someone in the Leinster camp last night, icbd. Couldn't understand why they don't use St Etienne.
Leinster are without doubt an excellent side, but they were up against trees yesterday. 3 players in that Cardiff pack that are bad at Pro12 level and 2 ancients in the back row.
Clermont just dont give an inch and some of their performances at home in recent years have been mesmeric. Hell of a clash.
Clermont just dont give an inch and some of their performances at home in recent years have been mesmeric. Hell of a clash.
Poor, poor pwerformance from Sarries. At home and being bossed like they area colts team against the senior side.
All lookign shell shcoked and this was over at half time. I feel like I haven't even had a run for my money. Utter garbage. Changes should have been made methinks.
All lookign shell shcoked and this was over at half time. I feel like I haven't even had a run for my money. Utter garbage. Changes should have been made methinks.
Change who though? Sarries cant afford back-up like these French teams can. Saull, Burger and Brown all injured in the back-row and that is showing up badly here. Fraser and Melck are out of their depth.
Yeah, dunno why they will play in Bordeaux rather than St Etienne. Stadiums are the same size and Bordeaux is about twice as far from Clermont.
Fair comment. The Freench side are superior all over the place so I accept your ppint gracefully.
Leinster having these for breakfast in the semi is the stuff of fantasy that even ICBD would be too embarrassed to state.
Anyway, few will agree but I make the French favs for the cup now.
I tried to pull a fast one and have flights booked to St Etienne for the weekend. Not sure I'll bother now, Bordeaux is a kip 
I agree, Vis. Going to have to take some cover on Leinster at bad prices though as I have a great looking book without them.
An away SF vs Clermont will certainly focus the mind, Vis.
I am v similar dunc. V nice on Ulster, OK on Clermont, not so hot on Leinster and Ed don't worry me at this stage.
The final will be a bit of a damp squib after that, me thinks.
Too be fair, Saracens have been woeful. All 4 English clubs out. Its like the Champions League, carnage.
I've turned around a poor weekend from yesterday morning. Have had Clermont onside throughout and topped up on the 7s this week along with the cap today. And with the possibility of a home semi, I took the route of 20s Ulster outright this week as opposed to the match odds v Munster.
Clermont v Leinster in France is a mouth watering clash,think Clermont will beat them
This is what Leinster are going to have to deal with. No easy tries against Clermont. Discipline means everything in that game I expect.
I think Ballaman mentioned this in the Munster game with Best - Bardy rips off Borthwicks head gear and throws it in his face. Rolland watches and does nothing.
That's what you want Dunc but it's not what you are going to get
Have the actual dates been set for the Semis? I know it's the weekend of 28/29 April, but do we know which game is on which day yet?
Cheers. As a neutral, does anyone know how easy it might be to get a ticket? And how much they'd go for? I'm in the area that weekend and have Clermont for a few quid!
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