If we had stayed in the EU would we have been able to deal with the boating migrants better?

Instead of hard working Eastern Europeans, have we ended up with more bone idle bible bashers unable to speak the language and relying on the welfare state?

Relying is the wrong word, the reason they are coming here is to milk the welfare state.
The more we offer, the more we get. Do France and Germany send them back to Italy or Spain,
and then back to Greece? They do not, it appears that the Dublin regulation works for no one.

That Dublin regulation is really working out well for Ireland with only 18 asylum seekers transferred out under the regulation in the last 5 years.

But but but brexit. They'll never let it drop, Burnham blaming Russia now, pathetic stuff 

The idiot flat out denied that he did in the HoC yesterday.

It's going to be pretty amusing with this dork at the helm.

Rejoin EU send them straight back.

Time is nearly up for farrages brexit dinghies.

Germany and France are not Island nations saddo

Don't think you get many dinghies from France directly to Ireland SD.  They cross the land border from Northern Ireland to Ireland, so Ireland can't use the Dublin Regulation

We had a get out but we shot ourselves in the foot

CLYDEBANK29 13 Oct 26 17:12 
Germany and France are not Island nations saddo

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Sorry, I didn't realise that the Dublin regulation only applied to Islands.

Don't think you get many dinghies from France directly to Ireland SD.

So what?

The Dublin agreement isn't about sending them back to the last country they were in. The main criteria is their first point of entry in to the EU. We get about as many dinghies directly from Africa and the Middle east as Ireland does.

Is CB seriously expecting us to believe that France would take all of the gravy boaters back if we had not left the EU

This operation is palpably facilitated by both states.

As if anyone in their right mind thinks that it would be allowed to happen the other way around.

If they arrived from the UK they can't be sent back under the Dublin Regulation.

Cider if you seriously believe we'd have less religious gravy bpaters if we'd stayed in the EU you are seriously deluded.  The evidence is overwhelming

Boat crossings immediately rose by 500%

they rose by nearly 100 fold in 3 years

We could and we were sending them back.  Not every single one of them granted.  But the boats weren't crossing because they knew they could be sent straight back

and there were only 299 crossings in 2018, so not a big deal anyway.  Three years later there were 23,000.  You can thank Boris, Nigel amd Corbyn for the mess

Yes I do believe EU/France started facilitating it as a brexit 'punishment'. I believe this started after the vote, but before brexit.

If people leave the French coast in unsafe boats and need to be 'rescued' in the ocean, please explain why they aren't then rescued to the country that they left in the unsafe boat?

ie, does France have no coastguards or rnli equivalent?

It's been an unmitigated disaster.  100,000 extra civil service jobs created to deal with it aswell.  How the feck are we meant to cope with such a massive increase?  It's impossible

boat crossings rose because we clamped down on trucks being used to stowaway on as the main method of crossing the channel.

people crossing in boats can be seen so we have an idea of how many are coming over, when trucks were used we had no idea what was happening.

it's nowt to do with brexit.

please explain why they aren't then rescued to the country that they left in the unsafe boat?  ....  International Law.

The SNSM?
In the long version, this gives "Société National de Sauvetage en Mer". The purpose of this association under the 1901 law? Rescue anyone in danger at sea and on the coast, in metropolitan France and overseas. But also, and perhaps less well known, to make the general public aware of the dangers of the sea and inform them about common sense safety rules... but not always the most respected! That is why, upon request, they also make courtesy visits to requesting boaters to discuss on-board safety and check life-saving equipment.

Responsiveness!
SNSM's volunteer lifeguards operate on two sites: on the coast (mainly beaches), but also, of course, at sea. Thus, all year round, day and night (22% of rescues), up to 20 miles from the coast (or even beyond) and in all weathers, they come to rescue you if you alert them in the event of an actual or potential shipwreck. If you have a VHF, simply use channel 16, which connects directly to the CROSS (Regional Operational Monitoring and Rescue Centre). You can also use your phone by dialing 196. These centres reach the owner of the SNSM boat that is the most pocketed of you. The crew is assembled, and leaves within 15 to 20 minutes.

Who are the rescuers?
There are no fewer than 8,000 of them, with an average age of 49 years. They have been engaged for an average of just over eight years. The vast majority of them are men: only 12% of rescuers are counted! Of these, 4,000 are sea rescuers, and they are responsible for more than 50% of the interventions carried out offshore. They have acquired a real know-how in terms of rescue and they have a very specialized knowledge of the maritime area they cover. And to train, they do more than 3500 exercises annually. What if this "they" turns into "you"?

please explain why they aren't then rescued to the country that they left in the unsafe boat?  ....  International Law.


which the French are wilfully ignoring. and passing them over to British suckers.

ai has just told me - According to official figures, detected stowaway cases at Channel ports plummeted from roughly 83,000 in 2015 to 18,000 by 2021.

so we did have some idea what was happening, i was wrong about ability to measure the numbers coming.

it does though show numbers falling as boat numbers increased which i think proves that the method changed, its still not brexit related.

These brexit voters did their research

They knew farrages brexit dinghies were coming and voted for them.

Thanks.

The 2018 Statistics

• Detected Arrivals: According to Home Office data analyzed by Migration Watch UK, an estimated 8,606 migrants were detected entering the UK via lorries or containers in 2018.
• Breakdown of Detections: This total included 7,554 individuals encountered during "lorry drop" events inside the UK and 1,052 clandestine detections by Border Force at UK port control areas (excluding Dover).

If they arrived from the UK they can't be sent back under the Dublin Regulation.

Yes they can they just can't be sent back to the UK.

Any small boat arrival in the UK that could be sent back to the EU if the UK was in the EU can also be sent back to the EU by Ireland if they end up there. However it barely ever happens because the Dublin regulation is barely worth the paper its written on.

Boat crossings rising are almost entirely due to BREXIT and the lack of the Dublin Agreement, (which applied to lorries too).

They allowed it to permeate when the numbers were very small. And it was obvious they'd get away with it. As Farage pointed out at the time.

which the French are wilfully ignoring. and passing them over to British suckers.  ... no they are not

If you're arguing it was all down to the Dublin agreement, where all the gravy boaters brought back to France before Feb 2020 ?

Yes they are CB.

The gravy boaters are never unattended. They are trailed by the French into the channel until the British taxis arrive.

I suggest you do some research away from ai.

International Law is just not on our side in this battle.

And the French make sure they all have life jackets.

The gravy boat journeys that go wrong are the ones occurring outside of the state sponsored operations.

I'm not disputing you can argue the toss that they are, but it's a weak argument taht doesn't stand up in any meaningful or practical way.

That makes no sense. If French are following unsafe boats away from their coast, they are breaking international law. Under your own terms that you've outlined on this thread.

And ofc having left the EU we are weaker in bargaining than we were, whist as part of the EU, France has more bargaining power.

You appear to be under the misapprehension that the EU would do anything for the UK. Whether we are in he club or not. Perhaps you are aware of the erm.

It's the largest flaw in British culture. We expect other nations to have goodwill as a default toward us, like we have for other people. The reality is quite the opposite. They look for weakness. And we're certainly not short of that in modern times!

Ten years on and the EU shills are still crying salty tears, they are so funny. 

I wouldn't lay 1.01 that the illegal migration crisis we face is due to BREXIT.  It clearly is.  Oh and we have to pay for a very conservative extra 100,000 civil service jobs because of it, and all the extra living costs to service them.

Said at the time we were losing good immigration and getting bad immigration in return, but until today I've never actually bothered to look at the data.

Wish I hadn't looked.  It's much worse than I imagined.  Better I stayed ignorant.  Still at least I wasn't dumb enough to vote for it.

And Ireland, France, Germany, Spain aren't getting the same type of "bad immigration" we are getting.

You make absolutely no sense, as per usual when you talk about politics, CB.

Brexit returned control over immigration back to elected politicians.

Before Brexit, any one of 400 million people could come here if they felt like it. Now (officially) that's reduced to Ireland and a few small countries.

If there is 'bad' immigration, it's 100% due to elected ministers and the civil service they nominally have control over. As opposed to when we were in the EU, there was zero control.

Why on earth anyone favours handing over control to a nebulous organisation like the EU is completely beyond me. Just to stop them bullying us around, I guess.

Why are the lefty loonies so bitter with their constant anti brexit whining, Trump derangement syndrome and Farage derangement syndrome.

Day after day. Week after week. Year after year.

How boring and empty their lives must be.

How have they become so strange in life?

Get out in fresh air!!!

Or see a doctor probably more appropriate.

Nothing more dangerous than an educated simpleton.

Stranger still, they are gleefully watching the decline and eventual destruction of the country
that they will still have to live in,

No, they won't stand by, they will rejoin.

We were in the EU for the first 2 years of the dinghy migrants.

The entire period - 10 years? - of the Dublin agreement we managed to get rid of a few thousand migrants (and accepted more coming the other way!) which is a couple of months worth these days.

We don't need deals with France or the EU. Just repeal all commitments that oblige us to allow asylum seekers to remain here and deport them.

Then see how many more boats arrive.