The trial of Sir Jeffrey and Lady Eleanor

The wife has some sort of strange immunity from criminal charges I believe might be wrong on that. Obviously nobody apart from 4 people actually know if he’s guilty.
I think he might walk, it’s going to be difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt, there will be no forensic, wasn’t reported at time, no witnesses, basically his word against witnesses a and b.

On the face of it two random women making these accusations would suggest the offences actually happened.The postponing multiple times would also seem to me if he was innocent he would have cleared his name asap.Resigning the day after the charges isn't the act of an innocent man either.

A good barrister can work wonders i agree,we'll see.

Pa the only thing that matters now in court, is can the defence team beat the prosecutors in the minds of the Judge and members of jury ?

Lady Eleanor has been judged unfit to plead. i'm not sure why.
So in her case it is a trial of the facts,whatever that is. I think we can assume it means SHE won't be sent down.

Easily done, Ernest Saunders is the only man to recover from Alzheimer's.

He's still going, 40 years he's lived with it.

It's a miracle !     

His legal team Pa seem to be doing a good job, they appear to have made the letter bit less significant as I first thought it would be.

I think the letter is damning, a very vague 'oh that was for other behaviour' the girls solictor should have a field day with that by simply asking him what behaviour was that.

Initially pa when I heard about the letter I thought it was badly damaging to him but not sure now,I think it is probably crucial documentation in case and how he responds to prosecution in the dock when asked.
Let’s see what happens

Quite bizarre allegations today,the lord and the torch.

Cmon pa don’t waste your time on that small case, somebody stole a campervan ffs pa, that’s most important thing in world currently. Cop on Pa.

Sorry Malay, maybe they are waiting on the allegations to be proven to vent their fury.

Can't get my head around today though, a phekin torch!!!!

Donaldson's legal team is focusing heavily on undermining the reliability of the witness testimonies. Casting doubt on the evidence, trying to put enough doubt in the minds of the jury. Always difficult to prove these cases beyond a reasonable doubt, and if so that’s the potential of not getting a guilty verdict. Not that he’s innocent or guilty, it’s just not proven.

I must say when he resigned immediately back a couple of years back, my initially thought was there was something in this. Not just a misdemeanour from decades ago either. Up to the late 2000s.

Of course anonymity means we don’t know who the two women are, if they were connected or this involves totally separate allegations, that don’t have a link.

The letter last week and the text message today look fairly strong evidence. Agree that all have to be proven.Amazing both Donaldsons seem to have wanted to apologise to both women.

Half way through trial now Pa, soon be yer man’s opportunity to give his side of events or non events to judge and jury.

Search 'Bradford gang jailed for 188 years', lads. Last week, it was just another in a long series,
they don't get much news coverage here though. Average about 12 years apiece, out in 6? Any opinions on that.
I'm betting yer man will get more than that if found guilty.

Think the 2 witnesses were very creditable Malay. He has some explaining to do to why he tried to apologise to the victims,a pastor and a written letter are damning. Probably will try and 'tone down' the victims stories imo.
That seems short sentences in Bradford,a life sentence for the victims though.

Search it, lapsy, worth a look. Literally dozens of these trials over the years,
they barely make the news here. You won't have heard of any of them over there.

lapsy pa
27 Mar 26 21:22
Joined: 29 Jan 09
Is there ever a thread about someone white and English doing the exact same thing?

Lapsy doing his usual racist thang.

Top searching Shrewd Dude. Whoever does it leaves victims and deserve castration.

Well lapsy thats quite clearly not what you think.

You get upset when threads are made about sex offences when they involve certain demographics.

Well Lapsy that's quite clearly not what you think Lapsy.

You get upset when threads are posted about sax offences from some demographics.

They do it on an industrial scale here though and you'll know nowt about it.

A nonce is a nonce SD.Don't be telling me what i think and getting 'upset' because you're wrong. I despise them all.
Have you any comment on the actual case?

A nonse clearly isn't a nonse to you Lapsy. You question threads being posted about certain demographics you don't like being posted about and cry racism when they are.

Really? You can prove me otherwise but the most comments i have made would probably concern Kincora

Well lapsy when your reponse to a convicted Afghani asylum seeker thread is

Is there ever a thread about someone white and English doing the exact same thing?


When there was numerous examples of it then it kind of tells the story.

Please stick to thread topic lads, remember this case regards of very prominent UK politician. Start another thread if you want about all the beasts in the UK, if you know there names and other people may be familiar with them, that’s what you should do.

Pa Donaldson seems to be handling himself pretty well, I did think before the trial the prosecution would struggle, I’d go 2s on he walks

I had a post following you Malay removed. I quoted ad verbatim the BBC as well and acknowledged that as source.

Think you will be right Malay in that it won't be proven.

I cannot understand how that letter was supposedly written in regards 'other matters' which never saw the light of day.

How is the Dublin trial of the bloke who stabbed little kiddies
in the street going, is he trying to weasel his way out of it?

Saddo can you start a thread with the guys name as subject, people’s with knowledge will help possibly. I can’t
Pa read the judges summing up and direction, long odds Donaldson on to walk

Jury taking long time, it means they are not sure, he walks. Well done to defence counsel but they had the easier job.

I think he probably did do it but that opinion is irrelevant, it was strange case with wife getting criminal immunity.
Obviously whatever way it goes it’s a bad result for unionists. Because we all know stakeholders.