Net Migration

What good will that do the Country Porci ? we need skilled Migrants and Medical professionals coming to our Country , People with Passports ETC

Net migration is increasing

It's the rate that is dropping.

Also seems plenty are coming here and then Heading to Ireland  , Irish lads saying 90 % of their arrivals are now coming from the UK

And thicko loony lefties actually believe what the government says.

All those that come in on backs of Lorries each day all accounted for ? Yes?

Get help!!

Leftism is a mental illness!

We need to show compassion to them I spose.

Just on my own experience in my own town, it's never been worse. " Flooded" is an underestimating it.

If nett migration is 140,000 then 140,000 more people
have come to uk than have left it.

There's about 600k deaths and 595k births

So population increase of nett migration less 5k

couple of lads perfectly proving the point of OP

Caught some of O'Brien earlier, banging on about this, oblivious as ever.

The concern is not immigration per se James *raps knuckles on forehead, it's demographic change.

The fact that immigration is down is inconsequential to this end as the tipping point has long been breached.

The Tory policies brought in towards the end of their tenure obviously having an effect on these figures.

The current Home Secretary seems to want to get to grips with things, a rarity in the current cabinet.

Perception amongst the social media types (that PoP alludes to) is of course based mainly on small boat crossings, which are actually up slightly year on year.

Whatever bad-faith strawman gets you wet, sweet cheeks.

My nephew happened to spend last weekend in Slough.  He was amazed at how few white people he saw there.

Upon checking the Census data, in 2001 Slough's population was 58% White British but in 2021 that percentage had dropped to 24%

It's the pace of demographic change that worries most people i think.

to pp obvs

Ahh, strawman



A word you only ever get from social media, not the real world. Lovely.

I mean it's not as if anyone on the left has ever bandied about 'the Great Replacement Theory' while clutching their pearls and calling it a conspiracy.

I wonder what on earth that might refer to?

Free-thinker ASSEMBLE!

It's not about the net migration numbers it's about the macroeconomic impact  of the people leaving compared to the macroeconomic impact of those that arrive.

Tough audience,imagine if the figures were up!
Tbf Labour seems to be getting things done.

Or imagine if it was Nige announcing this...

Lapsy - the main reason for the reduction in numbers is down to the Tory policies brought in during 23/24 before they got kicked out.
Cutting back on family members joining students etc.  Labour have simply ran with those policies and lo and behold numbers come down.
The current Home Secretary is one of the few in the current government with any credibility and is at least trying to sort things out.

That's the twist,maybe some were secretly hoping they were up to justify getting behind the nige?

At this rate by 2029 there could even be more leaving then coming in,imagine that!

Labour it seems are the correct party to tackle head on britons biggest worry in the immigration.

Hello Dixie,i'm aware of that but that was when everyone found out that they were leaving everyone in and at the same time telling you about Rwanda,they were caught out.

They should publish numbers of where the people arriving or leaving were born.
Also do they realise that 171,000 people is the equivalent of 2 new towns, 50,000 new houses etc.
Maybe a few years of zero net migration is in order.

yeah, but see lux above. It's not about numbers any more. If there's any brown skin in his postcode he's logging on to youtube for sanctuary.

Not sure what you mean by "they were caught out" Lapsy ?

Small boat arrivals still up year on year and we are just about to enter peak season for crossings. This period will tell us if Labour's "smash the gangs" promise is working or not.

The "Great replacement theory" could well explain things in London.
In the 2021 census >40% weren't born here and this only includes the people who filled the forms in.

The torys/Patel were promising to cut immigration but record numbers came in which caused outrage as it certainly couldn't continue,then they had to do something.

yeah, but see lux above. It's not about numbers any more. If there's any brown skin in his postcode he's logging on to youtube for sanctuary.


I guess it boils down to this: Do you actually value a world of genuine diversity — which, shock horror, is necessarily exclusive — or are you just a midwit mouthpiece for turning Britain into a rootless economic slaughterhouse?

what does that even mean? Try using your own words, not something you're parrotting from a screen.

Lux,the point where any developed country can be almost completely indigenous is long gone,the main reason was cheap labour which in theory should have 'enriched' lives.
I am starting to think the big problem is a nation of unhappy angry moany people.

pp

Which part is proving a struggle?

Couldnt be more straightforward.


I am using word before posting, is that bad form?

ok then.

Your argument fails.

Why is a diverse world necessarily exclusive? Let's start there.

because any identity, necessarily, is defined as much by what it excludes as by what it includes.

genuine diversity is predicated on that straightforward acknowledgement.

genuine diversity distinct from the "muh diversity" associated with multiculturalism which is just a dissolutive force (to white europeans)

But identity is individual. You have a sexual identity. And yet you probably share your home with someone of a different sexual identity. It is in our very nature to shed our individuality and live with others.

That was from sky, and no I'm not drunk. They actually broadcast it.

there is no diversity in most parts of the world. russia china aint diverse and nor is africa. wrong tribe, big problem. nigerians in south africa are attacked and bombed out. it happens all over

only we have to embrace it. incomers dont and the opprssion of wimmin that would outrage feminists if it happened to them is appalling but goes unchallenged. fact. but never admitted

the mono-culture of others is ignored. the middle east a good example. no diversity allowed there. its deadly. then it arrives here

dunno what the record for deleted posts is but im in the convo alright

when i find who its worth complaining to, ie not what we have now im going to. they might lose the business as nobody bothers any longer. who nose? if theres no posters the forum will end. has to be some mileage in that

what we have now is like a student discussion group cancelling everything

But identity is individual. You have a sexual identity. And yet you probably share your home with someone of a different sexual identity. It is in our very nature to shed our individuality and live with others.

I was obviously talking about ethnic identity, immutable, not who you'd like to s h a g. It is not "in our very nature" to shed that specific individuality and live with others, every multicult from history on this scale has ended in balkanisation, ethnic conflict, and authoritarian coercion to hold it together.

So, essentially all you and O'Brien *donk donk donk are left with is some fanciful utopianist abstraction, somewhere over the horizon that will never exist.

PorcupineorPineapple 21 May 26 14:10 
Ahh, strawman

A word you only ever get from social media, not the real world. Lovely.

......................................

I suspect you, and your pal, have used that word, and 'gaslighting' more than
any other pair on this forum. I've never conversed with a single person and
heard them used in real life, I agree with you there.

god, you write really weirdly. Such a pseud.



Just pointing out that "identity" means lots of things. So much so, you don't actually mean identity at all. You simply mean ethnicity. And your ethnicity is only a teensy weensy part of your identity in reality. But that's all you mean. That teensy weensy part. Cos you wanna stop when you see someone with a bit more melanin and run to your safe space. Would have saved yourself so much time if you'd simply said skin colour at the start and not tie yourself in knots trying to intellectually justify it. And the point is, people of different ethnicities have lived side by side and in the same homes for centuries. Just the same as people of all different kinds of other identities have too. It is - to use your own word - an immutable characteristic of our species.


The weirdo above pointing out China and Russia not having much diversity made me laugh. Why not point out Nazi Germany too? That regime really wasn't into it. It's almost like there's a connection between barbaric, repressive regimes and diversity and you guys are pointing at the baddies and saying "hey, it hasn't worked for them. No, it never does. But maybe it would work for us... Let's be more like Russia".


Literally. Arf!

People don't realise what it is saddo. For me gaslighting is a form of lying, but it is structural and evil. Just look what they did with covid and lockdowns. Vast swathes of the country were gaslit into feeling like their life was genuinely at risk. It's standard practice now, for example trying to make out yesterday that immigration id falling rapidly by gaslighting (lying), using net figures.

Just because your everyday person doesn't use the specific term gaslighting for instance, doesn't mean that a lot of them now don't recognise it. They do, in my opinion. And that has only happened since labour took office, and made the Tories look competent.

God, you write weird. Such a pseud.

I was merely pointing out that identity is a multi-faceted thing. You should have just come out and said ethnicity if that's what you meant. Would have saved so much time. Just say that more melanin terrifies you and not dress it up in some pseudo-intellectual claptrap. But - to use your own word - our species is designed to live with others of different identities, it's an immutable characteristic. We have moved and settled and lived with other people for centuries. The only difference now is the affordances of being able to move around are so much bigger than before. It's not some change in our chemicals or a grand conspiracy by "them". Europeans and Americans took over half the world, taught them English and Spanish, told them how great our homelands were, and now fill their homes with films and tv shows that paint our societies as lands of opportunity, and hey guess what! Some people think that they'd like those opportunities too. You are (deliberately?) confusing a non-exisitent desire to be separate with the manipulations and power plays of warlords who will force or coerce a population to do its bidding. That's the tale as old as time.

The weirdo above going on about China and Russia as models of non-diversity made me laugh. China and Russia. Why not point out that N@zi Germany was too. That regime was really anti-diversity. I have the vision of you guys lying awake at night thinking "hey it didn't work for them, but maybe it'll work for us. Let's be more Russia". Dunno man, maybe there's some kind of link between incredibly repressive and murderous regimes and diversity.

jesus, took 3 goes to get that through.



Have a look at yourselves mods

And that has only happened since labour took office

Burnham is a great example imo, there is a mammoth gaslighting operation, trying to convince the public, specifically Wigan, that he is the new messiah. The one person who can save us from Nigel Farage. Originally I didn't think it would work this time, but I underestimated the scale of the effort that they would use. My hunch is that Makersfield peeps are the type that can smell sh11t, a bit like the miners in Chernobyl who know everything as they work in the dark. Certainly not as pliable as other parts of the country. But I now feel there is still a chance that the establishment wins again, sadly.

F  I  L  T  H

Agree with a Dixiedean post that it is the rates of change in demographics that alarm people. In my view there is too much focus on migrants at the lower end of the economic scale and not enough at the top. How many Middle Eastern billionaires own large properties in UK and consume 20 times more public services and goods than those on minimum wage. They bring in a plane load of family and servants of course. It is the total number of people that matters. They all need housing, they all need medical care, they all need food and water. Who ever they are they just increase the presuure on all of these resources. There is relatively little sign of migrants in rural Somerset but new homes are still going up in every small village and town. No new schools, new roads or new leisure facilities of course.

May 21, 2026 -- 1:27PM, the old nanny ;-) wrote:

Also seems plenty are coming here and then Heading to Ireland

You are attributing well intentioned aims, but it has nothing to do with improving the country and everything to do with eradicating Western culture. It's not just the UK of course, but right across the west. Obviously this nonsense about bringing in students, care workers, NHS or whatever is just cover for the purpose.

Certainly the majority. That appears to be the consensus here in Ireland now. It was because our civil servants started to see applicants turning up to claim asylum etc in their offices in Dublin, from people who had not applied at a ferry port or airport.


The word on the street here was that had been the case for sometime. Our very liberal mainstream media made no mention of it.


You guys in the UK should count yourselves lucky you have a much more complete media landscape from left to right. We certainly don’t.

I'm not sure how you're supposed to have a conversation, never mind argue a point when some people have so clearly lost the plot entirely (11.08)

Thought this thread would be full of Refuk supporters cheering on Starmer, saying well done, he's
got the numbers down.

down to the size of 2 wembley stadiums at a time when unemployment is rising and resident doctors are striking because there are no jobs for them

i havent an issue with immigration if there are jobs and a skills gap but its been and still is too high

Lets build more houses on green belt but not in my back yard obviouisy

The provisional estimate for total long-term immigration YE December 2025 is 813000.

yes, well done Starmer

These are the legal estimates, so it will actually be over 1 million.

Straight question, what is it people want? No argument with those on free gaffs and straight on benefits but what about the rest? None? Deport all migrants? Some people will have different goals but what are the predominant ones?

Cider crying, and getting loopier as the days go by.

Lost his position at work, spammed forum for clients,
now spending more and more time diving down the koolaid mine

Lots of new arrivals today, enjoying the nice weather.

Straight question, what is it people want?

It's very simple, stop importing people.

At the same time we need to give training places to UK born people instead of foreigners. Especially in the medical space.

At the same time we need to pull the plus on non sensical 'in work' benefits that have the impact of incentivising people to work less.

This fekking forum, pull the plug

Just say that more melanin terrifies you and not dress it up in some pseudo-intellectual claptrap.

Yea, I mean the only meaningful difference that would occur between genetically distinct populations inhabiting completely different environments, experiencing completely different selection pressures for thousands of years is skin colour. 

And the point is, people of different ethnicities have lived side by side and in the same homes for centuries.

Name one large-scale multicultural society in history — with real regional and civilisational diversity — that sustained itself for over 100 years without eventually balkanising, falling into serious ethnic conflict, or relying on authoritarian coercion to hold it together.

I’ll give you a clue there isn’t one.

People aren't concerned with 'net migration' but with massive immigration from the third world.

Which continues relentlessly (though probably down on the Boris-Sunak peak).