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16 May 26
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Everything from the NHS to Schools to Defence hangs off our fragile economy. Everything.
Which makes Starmer's appointment and perseverance with Rachel Revees all the more criminal.
AFAIK the only person with a plan to grow the economy is Wes Streeting - rejoin the Single Market.
Everyone else either ignores the issue completely or ties themselves in knots explaining how trade deals with Trump or Tanzania are the answer.
What is the Tory plan?
What is Reform's plan?
Which makes Starmer's appointment and perseverance with Rachel Revees all the more criminal.
AFAIK the only person with a plan to grow the economy is Wes Streeting - rejoin the Single Market.
Everyone else either ignores the issue completely or ties themselves in knots explaining how trade deals with Trump or Tanzania are the answer.
What is the Tory plan?
What is Reform's plan?
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Single market is the simple and correct answer for Labour.Kier is going in small steps towards it but too quietly.Torys acknowledged it was a 'disaster', Reform won't entertain it and their policies re little renters and worker protection is disconcerting to say the least.
Labour will have to do something and that is safe route and a straightforward opposite to those two for a vote. |
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Andy Burnham, "There is a case for rejoining the European Union in the long term, but I am not advocating that in this election"
"Focus now domestically, here and now, the issues affecting people" "One of the things I'll be focusing on is the reindustrialization of Britain" |
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"One of the things I'll be focusing on is the reindustrialization of Britain"
Sounds a tad Trumpian does it not ? I quite like the guy on the surface appearance but that comment just adds suspicion unfortunately Ship sailed, never coming back imo |
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Andy Burnham says he would ban VAR if he had the power
"You can't celebrate a goal because you think someone, somewhere in an industrial unit is going to rule it out" Popular policy. |
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Now that comment just changed everything
VOTE ANDY ! |
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I detest VAR
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Sounds like code for abolishing the house of lords
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I've come across Reform's economic plan for Britain --- everyone gets a Thai friend and becomes a crypto billionaire.
Simple. |
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key to turn the UK's economy around --- stop taxing employers for employing people! Thank them!!!
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Correct Sir N. They may not expevt thanks but they do not like hostility. I was a livestock farmer for 30 yeras employing up to 6 people and doing OK until 1995 when a Private members bil forced us to change our business model and then shortly after in 2000 to sell the business. It was clear to me and still is that the general public are hostile to liovestock farming in UK but still happily buy meat from other countries which have far less legislation about welfare and the environment. The pig industry has basically moved out of the country. The dairy industry is teetering on the brink. This is just an example that I know a lot about but every day I read of other small businesses in other industries who are closing. The reason: regulation, Government imposed costs and unfair foreign competition. In the eyes of Labour, if your employees are not members of a Union, you must be a rogue employer.
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I think you have to say 'unalived' on youtube these days.
Censorship has gone crazy. |
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It was clear to me and still is that the general public are hostile to liovestock farming in UK
Think that's vast generalisation myself sage - I don't think that is the case at all What is obvious and it's apparent almost everywhere is that farmers are being forced to abandon/sell even give up through sheer frustration due to the creep tactics of the state + corporate to gain the upper hand over food control 'Control energy and you control countries. Control food and you control the people' - and here we are right now - very apt These plundering fkers want it all |
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Chris Packham has just got British beef (and milk) adverts banned,
that won't help. He gets lots of TV exposure cos he's a special needs whinger. He also wants all dogs to be vegetarian, a horrible horrible man. |
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What is obvious and it's apparent almost everywhere is that farmers are being forced to abandon/sell
By rich folk buying farmland to pass on without paying death duty taxez |
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But isn't that what the 1% do with all assets yhtl ?
ie they take loans out against stock ownership for instance to keep the underlying asset in trust Most small/medium farmers might be asset rich on paper but they have been squeezed by the pips for beards.. not cash rich in other words |
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James Carville was right when he said it's the economy stupid. He also said if Hilary gave one of her balls to Obama he would have two. Despite being hilarious he's a very dangerous leftie nutjob so all the TDS bros would love him.
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What is the Tory economic plan?
 What is Reform's economic plan? |
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Rachel Reeve's economic plan
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Clouded leopard,
Well yeah, but the realisation of buying houses to rent out going mainstream, and buying farm land to shelter funds has taken off and had a major impact on society in UK. |
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Farage's idea the a trade deal with Trump and Tanzania would replace the Single Market was laughable in 2016 and it's tragic in 2026
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if you actually look at total UK exports the service sectors have been doing really well including to the EU. The decline in physical exports has been going on for years given the cost of manufacturing in the UK compared to other countries. We have always run a huge structural deficit with the EU on goods and a huge surplus on services.
Starmer is right to concentrate on removing the barriers to trade (like vet certificates on some goods) but if you think rejoining the single market is some silver bullet for growth in the economy you are seriously deluded If the Government want growth they need to make the economy business friendly and make work pay |
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Before businesses can export it's more than likely they need to be successful at home.
Doubling employer NI was just about as stupid a move as possible for any chancellor to make. |
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yes i agree
you only need to see the rise in unemployment |
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Doubling employer NI was just about as stupid a move as possible for any chancellor to make.
You keep saying this, but it's the only way they can catch the likes of amazon How would you tax business fairly, so they can't offshore profits? |
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I dont think the tax system for business should revolve around catching amazon profits
Increased economic activity will lead to increased profits for these companies but also increase the Govts tax take I see that as a win win but others have an ideological hatred of big companies making profits There would probably need to be international co-operation to catch huge multinationals moving their profits around the world which is unlikely to happen You just need to look at Ireland who have a policy of lower corporation tax than other countries to attract these big multi national head offices |
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Do not tax employers for employing people.
Make it the law that if you sell goods that are delivered in the UK it must be from a UK subsidiary and UK VAT is applicable and the profits will be taxed in the UK. Wee also need to target business tax evaders with jail time. |
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Vat, yep, that's a given, but some sites are vat free when you drill down
I can buy silver vat free if I try hard enough, and UK sites are stuffed. Vat is paid by consumers, of course and not by supplier. |
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How would you tax business fairly, so they can't offshore profits?
Can't you just do a point of consumption tax? Worked with the bookies 15 years ago when Gib seemed like a silver bullet. Just apply a flat tax rate to any UK sales from a foreign-based firm. Might not work, but is it not an option? |
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Also, much more important now where you're seeing increasing numbers of firms shedding workers for cheap AI alternatives. I would personally like a tax aimed at those firms who are simply chucking those workers on to the scrapheap for the state to look after, while gathering ever more profits to hide away. If that's your game then pay an expensive penalty. Let's make it more advantageous for companies to employ humans.
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Tariffs!
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Well, tariffs can be useful if done properly. Not just get in a tizz at something Mark Carney said so you slap an extra 10% on Canadian stuff.
But if foreign firms are undermining British businesses, causing British people to be unemployed and not contributing to the exchequer, maybe someone needs to level the playing field a bit. |
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yhtl, trying to catch out the likes of AMZN like that is a pure doozy - they'll soak that up with their morning coffee
meanwhile small businesses get royally sandpapered around the anal area - that is part of the goal and that's imo btw not fact... |
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There are some allowances for small small businesses
But I'd agree it's a blunt instrument, and could be better tailored. |
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Like business paying full corporation tax in UK should
get some relief, as their disadvantage to amazon is not helped by this tax. |