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11 May 26
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Exactly what would Streeting, Burnham or Rayner do to turn the country around?
What is the big idea that is going to kick start the economy or fix the NHS?
The only thing I can think of is rejoining the single market
Brexit holed the country below the waterline and we've been slowly sinking ever since.
What is the big idea that is going to kick start the economy or fix the NHS?
The only thing I can think of is rejoining the single market
Brexit holed the country below the waterline and we've been slowly sinking ever since.
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No one can , its simple economics , not that any of the cabinet would know anything about economics , the outgoings exceed the incomings and it is only going one way .
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Agreed. Someone needs the balls to run the country within its means -- without borrowing £150 billion a year!
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all the candidates are neo liberals , all sing from the same hymn sheet. This is why corbyn was banned for labour, he sang from a different hymn sheet. You won't get any change from these other new labour people. Burnham ? for gods sake the man is a complete drip, same goes for miliband. Streeting is more right wing than thatcher.
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What is the tangible difference between the current position and the single market? (Aside from, I'm assuming, handing over more cash)
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There are some things that have no solution , this country will just get poorer and poorer .
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customs paperwork
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that would be customs paperwork demanded by the EU. I assume that is the same for the US, China, Canada et al.
so no tangible difference with that, anything else ? |
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no snc, that comes from not being in the customs union.
the sm offers free movement of goods, capital, people and services. not being in it results in non tariff barriers, a concept that some posters on here claim doesnt exist. |
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Yeah British folk with products they sold in EU with
no paperwork, can now just send it to EU or USA or China or Australia with paperwork and vastly higher delivery costs. Almost as if some folk simply don't care they've gone bust. |
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here is an example snc - some people on here said we had nothing to fear from a trade deal with the usa which would have resulted in us importing american chickens treated in a way which we didnt approve of as the imported chooks would be clearly labelled. unfortunately the usa regards such labelling as an unjustified trade barrier so such labels were a big no no from them for any trade deal to be struck. so we have a non tariff barrier in the form of a regulation (no chlorinated chicken) and a country on the other side which even regards labelling informing consumers about the standards chickens are treated as a barrier.
technical regulations, conformity assessment procedures - these types of things add significant costs. |
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So Burnham would first of all have to resign as Manchester mayor, fight a currently non existent by election which he will be by no means certain to win, be nominated to stand if Starmer then resigns and win the vote even though he has been abysmal twice in the past in Labour leadership elections? His price on here is totally unrealistic.
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Where would we be without this level of insight.
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Where would we be without this level of insight
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I'm not going to waste the whole morning listing out the Labour failures. I don't want RSI. Wasn't practically the first thing they opted to do was to remove the winter fuel allowance for pensioners. That was never mentioned in the manifesto or pre election campaigning. And this is a 'right-wing media invention' :)
The ticket was 'smash the gangs'. Erm, they remain fully unsmashed :) One out, one hundred in :) Calling the country far right fascists after little girls were slaughtered in a dance class. I suppose getting booted out of Wales for the first time in over a century is another 'right-wing media invention' :) Obviously it was quite clear that what was going to happen on Thursday would lead to liberalists losing the plot, I never expected it to be this enjoyable. We must never lose sight of the fact that the adults are finally back in the room. |
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Cider, everyone gets that Labour under Starmer has been a disaster.
But Reform & Farage would be an even bigger act of self-harm than Brexit. |
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Liebor are now running a scorched earth policy, they know they are finished, the next government will have an impossible job.
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Cider, everyone gets that Labour under Starmer has been a disaster.
Did you read what pineapple posted ? |
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Very few people expected Labour to have a magic wand. But they didn't expect them to have a can of petrol, throwing it on the fire, and make everything worse.
They didn't expect the leader to be a bumbling idiot, who just about copes with reading out speeches written by other people. The welfare bill is ridiculous. What do they do about it? Give away even more money to the feckless. At the same time, punishing pensioners, as I already outlined. People can try to blame everything and anything. They can blame Tories, Farage, Brexit, Trump, the 'far right', Jews. It doesn't matter, the voting public know it's on starmer and the lamentable labour party. |
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PP you need to get out more.
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How's about you don't run away, answer, and then I'll take the dog for a walk.
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legal and not so legal migration are both down but you wouldnt know it from our press or people on here. welfare spending as a percentage of gdp isnt outside of the norm over the last three decades.
imo, it's already too late p or p, the public hoped labour would be better but they havent been so labour cop for all the built up resentment. there is a tremendous feeling that you do the right thing but get nowhere whilst there are plenty of people gaming the system. even seemingly little things like people getting away with shop-lifting and non-payment of tube fares have a corrosive effect on the public's perception of how unjust society is. rayner's self inflicted housing problems resulted in the public, quite a lot of whom thought she was one of them, seeing her as just another self-interested politician. it all adds to the sense of rot. the public dont want boring managerialism, they they think we need a new approach. plenty say they wont go back to the tories or labour, they are both fighting extinction. personally i blame the public for refusing to accept that all policies have trade offs, its no wonder so many politicians offer simplistic solutions - telling the truth would not get them many votes. |
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I don't agree with a lot of that, but I think - basically - a lot of the problems lie at Starmer's door rather than Labour's. As you've said, immigration is down on what they inherited, though obviouly in a right-wing media (both kinds) environment you'll never see that acknowledged. But they've got ministers who have quietly gone about their business and done their jobs. The issue is in the big picture and selling that to people. Starmer is good at a lot of things but he simply hasn't got the charisma to be front and centre. He's no Barnum. And you need a bit of that in this day and age.
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Fancy having to leave No 10 and be confronted by that pack of wolves! Cabinet members need a thick skin and have a lot of responsibility but none of that can compare to having to get past that bunch of rude and nasty people who represent our media. I am not a Labour supporter but I am ashamed to see this sort of thing going on. Not in my name.
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Migration statistics
Research Briefing Published Monday, 01 December, 2025  |
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How stupid do you have to be to believe that as immigration is down compared to what the state and the Tories did in 2020-2022, using lockdowns as cover is acceptable.
Also don't need to be a data scientist to identify where the Blair and new labour project started, and continued by the uni party subsequently. It needs to go back to where it was before the mass immigration project started, as a minimum. |
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Shows a graph showing stark downward trend. Argues that it DOESN'T show immigration came down under Labour.
Orwell would be amazed at the chutzpah. |
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I'm not arguing it hasn't come down since Labour took office most recently.
I am arguing that using 2020-2022 as the benchmark is palpably absurd and ridiculous. But not unexpected. |
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The literal point of Brexit was that it's now in our absolute gift to issue as few or as many visas as we want. No longer the excuse of open borders with the EU. But the politicians have deliberately done the opposite of what has been voted consistently for, for more than a decade. And ramped it up much higher than when we supposedly didn't have any control.
No wonder we now go through prime ministers like toiler paper. Why are they so wedded to mass immigration that they'd rather lose their jobs, and be utterly humiliated, than do what the majority of the country are demanding (that is rhetorical). |
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They made so much noise about the Tories
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Again though. Chart literally showing immigration dropping quickly and yet they still say Labour are "wedded to mass immigration". Just like trained seals now. Just taught to clap and bark on command and ignore any and all evidence.
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ONS
Long-term immigration The provisional estimate for total long-term immigration for the most recent period is 898,000, a decrease of 401,000 from the updated YE June 2024 estimate of 1,299,000. This continues a downward trend from the peak of 1,469,000 in YE March 2023. Most people arriving to the UK in YE June 2025 were non-EU+ nationals, estimated at 670,000, a decline from 1,063,000 in YE June 2024. This decline is primarily attributed to fewer people arriving on work and study dependant visas, where we have seen a drop of approximately 70%. Are you able to comprehend these numbers? Are you trying to claim that 898,000 in a year isn't mass immigration? Do you realise that it being lower than 2023 doesn't mean it's still not mass immigration? It's just slightly lower than the figures that ended the Tories. |
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You think they're just getting it down to zero in a year? You think Bangkok Nige would manage that?
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B R A I N W A S H E D
by yootube, remarkable, Iranian ministry for disinformation stuff. |
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Most people arriving to the UK in YE June 2025 were non-EU+ nationals, estimated at 670,000
Bizarrely they only appear to give an estimate for Starmer's first year, 670,000. God knows why. Not literally zero. As I outlined however, since we left the EU it's completely in the government's gift how many visas they issue. It's not something that needs to be gradual. |
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Pointless arguing with brainwashed idiots, Cider. Just enjoy their utter dismay.
They were happily dishing it out only a couple of years ago |
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It's delightful all right saddo!
Obviously there are other, multiple things on the periphery. But if any party did what the majority wanted, and attacked immigration (legal and illegal) with the save verve as they did people sharing their opinions on social media, it would go a long way to solidifying the position of any government. So why don't they do it ? |