The Straights of Hormuz

^ Not true,he told Starmer the war was over and won and no need to.

IIRC Donald said there was no need for the UK to send an aircraft carrier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHqTZIV6JyQ

With the delightful Bianca Nobilo

Trump threatens Nato allies refusing to send warships to Hormuz


Clean up your own mess.

The very first response. The VERY FIRST ONE. Should simply be "remove your tariffs right now, make a legally-binding commitment not to reinstate any during your presidency, and then we'll think about saving your backside."

Meanwhile....


UK to send minesweepers and drones to unblock Strait of Hormuz, Miliband signals
Ed Miliband signals the UK will send minesweepers and drones to unblock the Strait of Hormuz as ministers vow to do 'what it takes' to cut energy bills.

Here boi.....

Europe should tell Trump that it'll match Israeli navel tonnage in the Straight of Hormuz.

Yeah that’ll show em

Except it appears Ed and co don’t look in on here to see the advice of capt’n glib and nobby noblets apparently.

Funny that.

Off noblet goes now, signing out to read what I posted, then back in to tell me he didn’t read it.

Dusty's brain is so melted by obediently following a politician's voice, he thinks other people actually feel the same and will just clap along. hoo boy! It's a big wide world outside his phone screen if he could only lift his head up.

Yeah, I see it

It’s got useful idiots in it being used by people with bad intent to go on daft marches.

Non of whom ever bother to reflect on the fact those they are enabling kill their own, so what will they do to others given a chance?

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"enabling"

love that word


As if Al Qaida are sat at home going "lads I wasn't gonna bomb London, but I just saw a march on telly and that's the green light. let's go."

BREAKING: FIFA President Gianni Infantino is sending 150 world cup footballers to secure the Strait of Hormuz.

Doesn’t surprise me at all that you don’t understand what it actually means pop

The marches are always attempting to influence what the government of this country does or doesn’t do
iSIS/hamas/IRGC don’t care what democracies do or don’t do, but they do attempt to undermine democracy countries using useful idiots

Like I said….always avoiding the fact they kill their own, and anything that assists them in doing that by objecting anyone who tackle them, is indeed enabling them.

So they don't care what influence demos have on democracies, cos they don't care what democracies do, but those people on demos definitely are enabling them.




Looks like you've waited till midday to tie yourself in knots. You're improving at least.

You look pathetic everyday by the nature of your stance being a tool, but you really are taking your disingenuous non-argument to a new low, even for you.

They don’t care about democracies because non of those terrorist orgs are one.
They do care about destroying others though

Just like people who place bombs don’t much care about the damage done to others
But these orgs are even happy killing their own people who disagree with them

Do you include America and Israel in those orgs, or are those guys on your pillow cases?

You have utterly no shame, to match your lack of knowledge.
A total waste of time, as all handwringers are with their suicidal empathy

Neither America nor Israel kill their own people who happen to challenge them in their democracies.
They do kill others in other areas who do kill their own.

Neither America nor Israel kill their own people who happen to challenge them in their democracies.
They do kill others in other areas who do kill their own.

oh man, those blinkers must be so comfy

The lengths you will go to to avoid the fact the above is true and all you are is an unbelievable simpleton.

Go ahead and be vacuous and glib and waste other people’s time

How exactly does putting naval vessels in the Straights of Hormuz help? Iran is hitting the tankers with missiles fired from a long way away so surlely they will just sink the naval vessels as well? Someone with more military knowledge than me might put me right. The only way to protect the tankers is to eliminate every rocket and drone launcher in Iran.

I think he just wants to put other countries' citizens at risk. Clearly, the thought of a US ship going down protecting - eg - a South Korean tanker would play incredibly badly back home, so his thought is that the countries depending on the oil should take the risk. However it ignores the obvious problem of who caused, who has sad the war's over several times now and who has even said the Straits are already open.

Clearly everyone else is smarter than that baby and will all have their own polling tell them that their citizens really don't want any involvement in this monstrosity. Better he learns it now and goes grovelling to Iran with promises of billions in compo to re-build to allow the Straits to re-open.

the deflector-in-chief

made a huge mess and now blaming others for not clearing it up

Maybe now American presidents will stop listening to Netanyahu

Trump: "I knew the Strait would be a weapon. I predicted it a long time ago. I predicted all of this stuff. I predicted Osama bin Laden would knock out the World Trade Center. I wrote it in a book."

Islamists tried to  blow it up in 1993, so wasn't exactly Crystal ball material.

Straight of Hormuz is open................... to Chinese ships.

Trump tells Iran it has 48 hours to open Hormuz or US will ‘obliterate’ its power plants

23:44 GMT on Monday is the deadline.

Missile diplomacy, just what the situation needs!

Iran warns of 'irreversible damage' to regional infrastructure if power plants attacked

Immediately after the power plants and infrastructure in our country are targeted, the critical infrastructure, energy infrastructure, and oil facilities throughout the region will be considered legitimate targets and will be destroyed in an irreversible manner, and the price of oil will remain high for a long time.

The straight of Hormuz is still closed and Iran is plainly not afraid of Tacoman.

Still closed.

and mined.

Trump paying Iran 3 billion to fix damage, then it'll be open.

Insurrectionists might have to wait for pay out.

At least we had the regular friday "we're dead close to a deal, and this time I really mean it" post. Like clockwork. No president has done so much for renewable energy.

Still closed. Try again next week.

One problem yet to be solved is all the mines. America says Iran should clear them but didn't America also say the Iranian navy has been destroyed?

I guess detail isn't The Donald's forte.

Maybe its time to throw bibi under the bus? Think it all would be resolved fairly quickly.

Keep saying that the medium to long term effects of this is the ostracism of Israel. Even Trump has had enough and can't mask their evil and venality. And again, if I were the Iran negotiator, any final agreement would include the phrase "and if Israel attacks any of its neighbours, then we close the Straits again and start taking out ships."

Beginning to look like closing the straits and thus impinging inflation upon, and destabilising Europe was the plan and the rest is/was all deflection.

how many times has trump said a deal to open the straits was imminent, 10? 20?

Trump is many things but Machiavellian, nah. All the chaos is fresh cooked daily.

1.01 DJT didn't know when Iran was or that the Strait of Hormuz even existed before he said yes to the psychopath Netanyahu.

As said above hard to take for granted media reports but the reining in regarding Lebanon is necessary as nothing can move forward. Long way to go to unravel a needless mess,Iran has to be listened to,they aren't blinking.

Ha,forget the last post. The one sided ceasefire didn't last 10 minutes.

Today is the 96th day the strait of Hormuz has been closed

Keeping oil price high is all you need to know

Will the straights be open during the world cup?

As the don heads towards the mid terms throwing bibi harder and faster under the bus is looking his best option,he can in no way spin any 'victory'.The Iranian lads know this.
He was a bigger eejit for getting involved, no business in this at all.His almost pleading now is embarressing, the clock is being played now against him.

Netanyahu's corruption trial was postponed yet again yesterday due to incoming missiles.

Meanwhile........Trump says strait of Hormuz could be open in ‘two or three days’ if Iran peace deal is reached 

Tanker on fire.

Donald Trump is terrified

Day 104

Trump has announced that a deal is "soon" on 39 of the 104 days of his war.

I believe it is only 38 times that he has claimed a deal was about to be made but he lies so frequently, it's probably gone up since I started typing.

US inflation surges to three-year high of 4.2%

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0myzxjkw99o

I’ve not followed this dung for a while but I thought yer man was going to sort this out in a day, why did that not happen?

Trump has stated 55 times that he defeated Iran. 

Trump has stated 35 times that Iran is destroyed.

Trump has stated 38 times that a deal is imminent. 

Trump has stated 25 times that the Strait of Hormuz is open. 

Elect a clown, expect a circus.

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Reckon a good few on heere will be locked in fierce bidding for Murrel Knicker collection.

The Iranians are jerking Donald's chain. They know the midterms are coming up.

This is the nemesis of President Trump and his henchmen. Gone into the war emotively and blindly now trying very hard to wriggle out of it without looking like a pillock and a numpty by mad Putin President Xi of China.

I think this would be his legacy in his 2nd term. Taco man and his henchmen eating humble pies aplenty.

Iran saying the US now bombing reservoirs. If true that's a war crime.

I think the cease fire is over too.

Trump launched "self defence" strikes against Iran tonight, ceasefire is over.


Are there any Trump supporters in this forum?
Are you still loving this war?

He appears to have been stood down.

Back to clown school.

Trump says deal agreed!!!

Another one!!!

Oddly the only things you can believe is what the Iranians say.

Trump only said a deal was imminent so he could call off his latest strike threat.

The yanks are running out of missiles.

Tehran would not cede control of Hormuz in deal with US, Iran state media report

Iran’s official Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) has cautioned against media speculation about a potential memorandum of understanding to end the war, particularly on claims regarding the strait of Hormuz.

IRNA reported that Iran will not surrender its control of the strategic waterway and the US will have no role in its future management.Tehran would not cede control of Hormuz in deal with US, Iran state media report
Iran’s official Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) has cautioned against media speculation about a potential memorandum of understanding to end the war, particularly on claims regarding the strait of Hormuz.

IRNA reported that Iran will not surrender its control of the strategic waterway and the US will have no role in its future management.


To no one's surprise the deal is off!

The problem for Trump is he's running for ways to present any agreement as a win. The yanks are gonna have to either give billions in re-building money or un-freeze Iranian billions, something Obama did way back when, but they're also demanding control of the Strait and to charge a toll. If they get both those things they end up in a far stronger position than they were going in and can therefore rightly claim they've won. Trump just can't face that but the Iranians are refusing to buckle on it. They've replaced the previous leader with a bunch of military bods who see fighting to the death as honourable and conceding as worse than treachery.

Iran's red lines; get control of the Straits of Hormuz and keeping their nukes

Trump's red lines; no control of the Straits of Hormuz and no nukes.


The Iranians are just going to out-wait the Donald. Midterms are coming.

It's not even the mid-terms. Oil reserves are starting to hit the floor now. Some Asian and African countries are sending workers home and are at fairly drastic measures to temper consumption. And the oil isn't just oil etc. It gets used in all kinds of stuff, so the global economy could really be in trouble in so many different ways. The Iranians know this and every single day that passes makes their hand stronger and stronger. Give it another month and they'll be demanding America nukes Israel as part of the deal.

Lol^
Great news,there seems to be a deal!
US giving Iran billions in frozen assets and waive sanctions on its oil exports, meanwhile the Straits goes back to the way it was.
(source RTE)

Still closed.

Only one reason why this hasn't reverted to the same deal with now plus 'compo' prior to Feb.

The world stood back in fear from the US 'lobby' and what threats could mean against them.

Good news for the world, only one reason this cannot proceed and continue, hopefully won't happen.

Donald Trump said the strait of Hormuz will reopen on Friday after the initial memorandum of understanding is signed (in Switzerland), and confirmed the US naval blockade on Iranian ports will be lifted.

Under the terms of the deal, the strategic waterway, through which a fifth of the world’s oil and liquid gas usually passes, would be gradually reopened as Iranian forces clear mines during the first month.

However, there remains uncertainty about the status of the strait going forward. In an interview with the NY Times on Sunday, Trump claimed the waterway will be “permanently toll free” . But on Iran’s Mehr state news, it was reported that a memorandum of understanding between the governments calls for the reopening of the strait within 30 days under “Iranian arrangements”.


How can the Iranians clear the mines when their navy is at the bottom of the sea?


It'll be a brave tanker captain who navigates the Strait of Hormuz any time soon.

Details are in short supply, and those that are available are opaque, but it seems the 'deal'
Donald has signed, is a blank sheet of paper !?


The Iranian's can and will put all their demands on it, and it's already signed.


Very bizarre.

In the deal if Iran behaves itself they get $350 billion to rebuild their country.

The first country in the history of the world to get that much when they were defeated 50 times in the one war.

Wait and see if Iran kick off again PA ,  it wont be the states it will be other Gulf Countries as well , Saudi have had enough They will side with the USA

In any future Action , Tyrants holding the Gulf to ransom Wont be going on Much longer , I think there maybe a few arms smuggled in over the next few Months

Might help with the Uprising

Iran have run out of Options and money and friends TBH

Don't agree TON,they will only kick off if Israel don't stop what they are doing in Lebanon. bibi is the big loser as he needs this to continue and are trying to sabotage peace.

Trump has told him to Hold Fire ,perhaps other pressure is needed

Well you,me and the world are paying for this farce TON, sod that.

YEP

Iran closes Strait of Hormuz over Israeli attacks on Lebanon

Just can't help themselves.Keep dropping bombs,not for a good reason but for their own reason they know they are nearly under the bus.

Netanyahu wants a forever war with America supplying the weapons and money.

It's all kicking off again.


Another "Forever" war

A million Iranians shouting Death to Trump must have upset him.

Were you capo?

They wouldn't have been chanting Slogans such as "Death to Khamenei", "Death to the Dictator" and "Death to the Islamic Republic" as they all got machine gunned.

Just a thought.

The 60 days of talks might not have being going well.

Trump's MAGA base might be more likely to support endless war to pointless talks.

He's not been in a good mood lately.

Belgium should have let balogun score 3

Trumpy would be happy, no more war.

Trump says it's open.

Iran says it's closed.

What do the crews on the burning ships say?

Trump says it's open if you pay him 20% of cargo value...

Protection racket in open sight.

Trump claims the US will control strait of Hormuz and get paid for it

The US president, ⁠Donald Trump, said on Monday that ⁠the ⁠United States ​would probably take over ⁠the strait of Hormuz and should ⁠be reimbursed for ​controlling ‌the vital ‌waterway.

“We’re going to ‌keep the strait, and we’ll probably run it. We’ll become the guardian ‌of the strait.

Iran strikes two UAE tankers in Strait of Hormuz

Sorry, Donald, but it sounds closed to me!

he didnt take long to taco, the 20% toll is no more.

winning bigly.

Trump's only cards are the: Bombing Iran card, Invading Iran card, and the Retreat card.

What value is there in bombing rubble?

And no way would Trump risk any US soldiers being taken prisoner.

Still closed according to the Telegraph,

US doesn’t have enough missiles to return to all-out war with Iran

Pentagon official warns dwindling missile stockpiles could limit operations against Tehran

Think it should be Two bridges for a ship attack,Don started a bit low.

Trump is already bombing rubble on behalf of Israel.

There have been 1,100 people killed in Gaza since the 'ceasefire'.