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I watched PMQs for once.
It is genuinely embarrassing that this incoherent muppet is the political leader of the UK.
Labour has to get rid of this idiot. I'd make it around 1.2.
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The establishment yet again doing what the establishment does so well....
We should hope he staggers, on for a good few months yet.
Careful what you wish for.
Careful what you wish for.
We can't suffer this fool for another 3 weeks, never mind 3 years.
Evidently it will be interesting to see who replaces him. But as far as the betting goes, I can't really see a plausible reason why he will be still putting us through it this time next year.
Evidently it will be interesting to see who replaces him. But as far as the betting goes, I can't really see a plausible reason why he will be still putting us through it this time next year.
Agreed saddo. I would love the guy to now resign but who does Labour have to replace him. What part did McSweeney play in this tale of governmental ineptitude?
We want lots of dirty factional infighting, not a swift resignation.
Starmer has certainly been a disaster,but I think it's because he's not a natural politician.
He may well lie at times but he's not an habitual liar like Johnson,nor is he away with the fairies like Truss. He just doesn't seem to have the right political instincts to be a credible PM. Waking Mandelson during the daylight was always going to be a fiasco waiting to happen,whatever Starmer did or did not know about his ongoing relationship with Epstein.
He may well lie at times but he's not an habitual liar like Johnson,nor is he away with the fairies like Truss. He just doesn't seem to have the right political instincts to be a credible PM. Waking Mandelson during the daylight was always going to be a fiasco waiting to happen,whatever Starmer did or did not know about his ongoing relationship with Epstein.
Fairly important attribute, that seemingly he doesn't have.
Isn't it just 
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The diehards will always find a reason to forgive.
.The diehards will always find a reason to forgive.
* Tories just the same, I warned LFC off all their leaders
but he wouldn't see the light.
but he wouldn't see the light.
'Starmer not an habitual liar' Talking about being away with the fairies....
He's a disaster because he shouldn't be a politician
He's a liar, but not a habitual one
It's still feasible that he was unaware of the full Mandelson/Epstein relationship
He's a liar, but not a habitual one
It's still feasible that he was unaware of the full Mandelson/Epstein relationship
Compared to Boris there is no way he's an habitual liar.
I don't think it's we labour voters ( possibly not next time in my case ) who are indulging in tribalpolitics on this thread,or indeed on this forum. Which is why I now very rarely post.
I don't think it's we labour voters ( possibly not next time in my case ) who are indulging in tribalpolitics on this thread,or indeed on this forum. Which is why I now very rarely post.
It's demonstrably untrue. Nothing to do with Boris Johnson. If I had the inclination I'd be here listing them all out until Sunday.
Like he literally got elected as Labour leader using a litany of lies.
Compared to Johnson even farrage and mandleson might look honest
Hmmm, maybe not, but anybody else would
Hmmm, maybe not, but anybody else would
Corbyn wasn't a friend 
I'm not having a pop salmon, but how anyone can conclude he isn't an habitual liar after the last few years of repeatedly, endlessly lying is beyond me.
I'm not having a pop salmon, but how anyone can conclude he isn't an habitual liar after the last few years of repeatedly, endlessly lying is beyond me.
He's sorry, apparently, sorry sorry sorry................
What a whiny shell of a man we have running the country,
he's absolutely earned the right to be a laughing stock.
What a whiny shell of a man we have running the country,
he's absolutely earned the right to be a laughing stock.
Talking about Jenrick today, he'd be welcomed by a few on here
Cider, Starmer has not just regularly lied he genuinely believes the lies he spouts.
True Cider, he jumped into his Reform suit too soon. If he had waited and joined Labour he’d surely be P.M. by June.
True Cider, he jumped into his Reform suit too soon. If he had waited and joined Labour he’d surely be P.M. by June.
Feb 5, 2026 -- 11:01PM, Cider wrote:
Talking about Jenrick today, he'd be welcomed by a few on here
I would love to see Jenrick contest another leadership contest so I could take Cider's money again.
I was referring to Starmer's whataboutery, the old lefties still on here love a bit of whataboutery. It's unbelievably lame from a weak man. It doesn't help him either that most normal people know that what Jenrick said about his visit to a part of Brum is accurate...
2026. I think he'll resign. He now knows he's not cut-out to be PM. The job was beyond him.
Not until he's told to 'resign' imo. He will be hounded about his personal life
once he's lost the protection of office. Woe, woe and thrice woe.
once he's lost the protection of office. Woe, woe and thrice woe.
..."personal life"... You'd not be referring to LGBT association, would you?
Trying to insinuate like that imp is not good forum practice. Please don’t go down that road - one lapsy pa is enough.
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We know the budget is going to be toxic, but not how toxic.
However, the sequence of events that would lead to a new permanent PM being in place before Xmas is a very long shot. Certainly longer than the current odds.
Even if Rachel from accounts is forced to jump, Starmer will retain the nominal support of sly, itv and auntie. Which is why I could not even back next year on this market. It's quite possible he will be propped up, albeit he's already mortally wounded, before the budget.
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We know the budget is going to be toxic, but not how toxic.
However, the sequence of events that would lead to a new permanent PM being in place before Xmas is a very long shot. Certainly longer than the current odds.
Even if Rachel from accounts is forced to jump, Starmer will retain the nominal support of sly, itv and auntie. Which is why I could not even back next year on this market. It's quite possible he will be propped up, albeit he's already mortally wounded, before the budget.
Touched 1.14 this afternoon, faster than I anticipated !
It's been a volatile afternoon
UK - Party Leaders -- Year Keir Starmer replaced as Labour Leader 4 Runners £371,857 Matched
107% 95.5% 2026 1.29 1.3 1.31 1.32 1.33 1.36 £309,993 £50 £1,006 £13 £2 £426 £4 2027 4.6 5.7 6.2 10 11 17.5 £14,535 £163 £250 £54 £20 £1 £1 2028 11 13 13.5 18 24 27 £10,454 £22 £25 £18 £7 £6 £2 2029 or later 7.6 7.8 14 24 25 34 £36,875 £90 £81 £20 £5 £4 £10
His fate is sealed for me but makes logical sense for the carnage in May, and a 17th reset after the summer break. But who knows how long the Mandy stuff will be supressed for.
Will the Epstein files bring down a British Prime Minister?
I'm betting: Not before April Fools day
I'm betting: Not before April Fools day
| UK - Party Leaders -- Month Keir Starmer replaced as Labour Leader |
| 5 Runners £11,959 Matched |
| 110.9% | 94.9% | ||||||||
| -£127.27 | January-March 2026 | 7.2 | 7.4 | 7.6 | 9.2 | 10 | 10.5 | £6,993 | |
| £176 | £91 | £33 | £10 | £5 | £10 | ||||
| £27.07 | April-June 2026 | 2.48 | 2.5 | 2.52 | 2.54 | 2.56 | 2.66 | £2,087 | |
| £8 | £308 | £20 | £3 | £62 | £3 | ||||
| £27.07 | July-September 2026 | 3.65 | 3.7 | 3.75 | 4.7 | 4.8 | 4.9 | £1,494 | |
| £13 | £9 | £2 | £21 | £141 | £16 | ||||
| £27.07 | October-December 2026 | 13.5 | 17 | 17.5 | 34 | 36 | 38 | £64 | |
| £5 | £2 | £4 | £10 | £10 | £33 | ||||
| £27.07 | 2027 or later | 3.7 | 3.85 | 3.9 | 4.9 | 5 | 5.4 | £1,321 | |
| £40 | £22 | £22 | £9 | £28 | £1 |
| UK - Party Leaders -- Starmer Replaced by April 1st 2026? |
| 2 Runners £46,111 Matched |
| 103.4% | 97.2% | ||||||||
| £ | Yes | 7.6 | 7.8 | 8 | 10.5 | 11 | 11.5 | £13,065 | |
| £7 | £109 | £8 | £11 | £48 | £2 | ||||
| £18 | No | 1.08 | 1.09 | 1.1 | 1.14 | 1.15 | 1.22 | £33,046 | |
| £58 | £1,103 | £580 | £8 | £836 | £645 |
He's a goner for sure. The $64k question is who'd be a suitable and logical replacement? I'm struggling to name one.
Mr Streeting is ambitious, is he able though? He's a newbie to politics too. To replace a dud with another is no better than maintaining a dud already in position. At least this dud is "liked" by potus which cannot be said about the majority of the other world leaders including the French frog or EU President.
Mr Streeting is ambitious, is he able though? He's a newbie to politics too. To replace a dud with another is no better than maintaining a dud already in position. At least this dud is "liked" by potus which cannot be said about the majority of the other world leaders including the French frog or EU President.
I'm more on the side of him staying now. Removing a Labour leader is much more difficult than a Tory one, and it seems like the appetite for either Rayner or Streeting just isn't there. Devil you know and all that. If they'd let Burnham run it'd be a different story but I think the party are gonna try and ride this out.
I'd think Burnhams position is stronger than ever.
I am sure some of the Enablers on here were talking about 10 year Keir at some stage ?
It's such a shame UK Plc has been lacking managerial leaders ever since Mrs Thatcher. Mr John Smith was never able to jump onto the hot seat as a result of fate; Mr Corbyn is a political career gravy-trainer and un-electable and moronic.
The posh boys despite their knockers seemed to have done a decent job between them. This cannot be said for Sir Shameless and Ms Reeves. However, I think one thing is almost certain. When Sir Shameless goes, Ms Reeves will go too. Ms Reeves will never be a leader or PM of UK Plc.
The posh boys despite their knockers seemed to have done a decent job between them. This cannot be said for Sir Shameless and Ms Reeves. However, I think one thing is almost certain. When Sir Shameless goes, Ms Reeves will go too. Ms Reeves will never be a leader or PM of UK Plc.
Ride what out PoP? The bye-election defeat? The May election massacre? Utter delusion.
Ed Davey ripped Starmer apart in the house ,said he has appointed twpo wqrong uns not one , who is referring to ?
Poor old Keir desperation is all he has left
Poor old Keir desperation is all he has left
I have never seen Ed like that, the look he gave starmer was a lethal 
Was a look of Disgust , Starmer retorted with the usual Pony , Ed said, touched a nerve have I ? dear me , Brutal
Dundee Steve ripped into him as well
Mathew Doyle is the man in question ,what a shambolic state of affairs , RESIGN what is he waiting for ?
Mathew Doyle is the man in question ,what a shambolic state of affairs , RESIGN what is he waiting for ?
Kemi has also put the boot in again , this is Just getting silly , If he wont go someone needs to go to the King we need a GE , the country can not be run by this man
Royal family have got bigger problems than the state of the nation.
Even if they were not in epstein files with epstein, Trump, spaffer
and farrage, there is absolutely nowt they can do about starmer
and indeed any government in UK.
and farrage, there is absolutely nowt they can do about starmer
and indeed any government in UK.
It's a thread about dave
Ffs there are some thickies on here.
Ffs there are some thickies on here.
Lol, I'm a thickie now, wrong thread, muppet.
What if the PM was mentally unfit ? whats the rules on that , coz starmer showing all the signs of struggling mentally ,what would happen then if he refused to go ? and Labour who would lose everything
Done nowt ?
Done nowt ?
he could do what your hero putin did and make himself president for life. no doubt youd like that
we seem to have the wrong kia. at least the other one deals with those he deems incompetent. keir capitualtes every time the d1ckheads that infest his party kick up a fuss. they should never be listened to. they know nothing and are bred from councils and trade unions and are clueless about the real world and hostile to business
theeves has piled pressure onto everyone, despite her 'growth' mantra. what a sick joke that is. my dear friend m has pulled out of buying 2 pubs because the costs are too great and his backers have backed out
the fact that david dummy and horrible hag rayner are anywhere near power is an indictment of labour. they are there because of what they are, not what they are capable of
even labour chums cannot come up with a single positive act from this hopeless shower
and we also have ministers for gaza. triffik. im sure their constituents are thrilled. iran has been causing havoc for 40 years, and is possibly the nastiest regime in the world, and without it the present disaster in gaza is unlikely to have happened. but wanchors on the left are silent, and some even supportive. thats how stoopid these liars are, its all about israel
islamofascism and left wing politics make for bizzare bedfellows but thats the reality of the denial of phoney liberals who simply dont care and abandon all progressive notions and pricnciples
one thing i will give kia-he is not a lover of the neo-hitler in the kremlin
we seem to have the wrong kia. at least the other one deals with those he deems incompetent. keir capitualtes every time the d1ckheads that infest his party kick up a fuss. they should never be listened to. they know nothing and are bred from councils and trade unions and are clueless about the real world and hostile to business
theeves has piled pressure onto everyone, despite her 'growth' mantra. what a sick joke that is. my dear friend m has pulled out of buying 2 pubs because the costs are too great and his backers have backed out
the fact that david dummy and horrible hag rayner are anywhere near power is an indictment of labour. they are there because of what they are, not what they are capable of
even labour chums cannot come up with a single positive act from this hopeless shower
and we also have ministers for gaza. triffik. im sure their constituents are thrilled. iran has been causing havoc for 40 years, and is possibly the nastiest regime in the world, and without it the present disaster in gaza is unlikely to have happened. but wanchors on the left are silent, and some even supportive. thats how stoopid these liars are, its all about israel
islamofascism and left wing politics make for bizzare bedfellows but thats the reality of the denial of phoney liberals who simply dont care and abandon all progressive notions and pricnciples
one thing i will give kia-he is not a lover of the neo-hitler in the kremlin
He would be replaced as leader of labour party and
if necessary a vote of no confidence in Parliament,
but Labour can replace him without confidence vote.
Labour would find a new leader, and a new vote of confidence would
be called in parliament.If a no confidence motion is passed
they have 14 days to select leader and pass motion.
New leader would then go to Charles and tell him that
he needs to ask him to form a new government.
any MP can propose a motion of no confidence but, convention is that if the leader of the opposition asks for a motion of no confidence, the government acts to facilitate a debate followed
by a vote in which a majority of 1 or more triggers
the 14 day period to form new government, passes a new confidence vote, or else a general
election is triggered.
if necessary a vote of no confidence in Parliament,
but Labour can replace him without confidence vote.
Labour would find a new leader, and a new vote of confidence would
be called in parliament.If a no confidence motion is passed
they have 14 days to select leader and pass motion.
New leader would then go to Charles and tell him that
he needs to ask him to form a new government.
any MP can propose a motion of no confidence but, convention is that if the leader of the opposition asks for a motion of no confidence, the government acts to facilitate a debate followed
by a vote in which a majority of 1 or more triggers
the 14 day period to form new government, passes a new confidence vote, or else a general
election is triggered.
Poor old Mitlol Brain fizzled again ,I only read the first line
Some breaking news : That chap who bought Starmers Mrs new underware, Done a bit of Partying with Epstien .The one and only Lord Ali
Some breaking news : That chap who bought Starmers Mrs new underware, Done a bit of Partying with Epstien .The one and only Lord Ali
Seemed Ali had no Issues with Epstien in 2010 attending Dinner parties ETC , Epstien had already been convicted of offences
This is just crazy , is there anyone not involved with this man
This is just crazy , is there anyone not involved with this man
thats because anything that confronts your dishonesty and ignorance makes you uncomfortable. so you duck it
you say you have your opinion and i have mine but mine is out there and yours is not. because you are frightened or ashamed. dont be. you like fascist dictators. own it
unpopular opinions are fine imo, dishonesty less so
me brain not fizzled at all, didnt get up until about 3pm. and even when it is, its light years in front of yours. i have freedom of conscience. you know only what putins propaganda machine puts into your empty melon
you say you have your opinion and i have mine but mine is out there and yours is not. because you are frightened or ashamed. dont be. you like fascist dictators. own it
unpopular opinions are fine imo, dishonesty less so
me brain not fizzled at all, didnt get up until about 3pm. and even when it is, its light years in front of yours. i have freedom of conscience. you know only what putins propaganda machine puts into your empty melon
And epstein files show spaffer, farage, and Rees mugg conspiring
with foreign agents to kick may out of office.
Thats a biggy too,.. Treason.
with foreign agents to kick may out of office.
Thats a biggy too,.. Treason.
In another email from May 2012, Epstein mentions to a friend that Mandelson and Lord Alli were staying at Shelter Island in the Hamptons, the exclusive summer playground for America's elite.
Epstein, in an exchange with businesswoman Jennie Enterprise, containing multiple grammatical and spelling errors, asks: 'are you on shelter island.'
Ms Enterprise: 'Yes… U close?' He then emails back: 'no my fined peter mandel son , former dep prime minister engalnd' gay is with another black gay , walid , currently on shelter island.'
'Walid' is understood to be a reference to Lord Alli who was the first openly gay member of the House of Lords when he was ennobled in 1998 by Tony Blair.
He bought a substantial Shelter Island property in 2016 before selling it and buying another in 2020, which is now on sale for £13 million.
Epstein, in an exchange with businesswoman Jennie Enterprise, containing multiple grammatical and spelling errors, asks: 'are you on shelter island.'
Ms Enterprise: 'Yes… U close?' He then emails back: 'no my fined peter mandel son , former dep prime minister engalnd' gay is with another black gay , walid , currently on shelter island.'
'Walid' is understood to be a reference to Lord Alli who was the first openly gay member of the House of Lords when he was ennobled in 1998 by Tony Blair.
He bought a substantial Shelter Island property in 2016 before selling it and buying another in 2020, which is now on sale for £13 million.
i find this obsession tiresome and a distraction
if you want real corruption and extreme nastiness it is everywher but only this squalid case gets the airtime. i hate it but know theres a lot worse out there and the fascination leaves me cold
hes hovis. good. compared to other places, this wouldnt see the light of day. only in the u.s. never in china or russia or..
if you want real corruption and extreme nastiness it is everywher but only this squalid case gets the airtime. i hate it but know theres a lot worse out there and the fascination leaves me cold
hes hovis. good. compared to other places, this wouldnt see the light of day. only in the u.s. never in china or russia or..
It's extremely hilarious. I guess the only thing we have left is contemptuous laughter. I can't take these idiots seriously.
The Lord denies meeting Jeffrey
Mitolo wtaf are you going on about ? if you are referring to the Ukraine war that is done and dusted with me , I said there was mass fraud a long time back , There was and for all I know still is .
I could not give a lying about Putin or Zalensky , I cannot do anything to stop the war , If you think I am supporting Zalensky think again ,I shall leave that to you
as for Putin he is a Gangster , I feel sorry for people on both sides who have died , END OF
I believe there are posters of Stefan on sale , perhaps get one and Jog On ..
Mitolo wtaf are you going on about ? if you are referring to the Ukraine war that is done and dusted with me , I said there was mass fraud a long time back , There was and for all I know still is .
I could not give a lying about Putin or Zalensky , I cannot do anything to stop the war , If you think I am supporting Zalensky think again ,I shall leave that to you
as for Putin he is a Gangster , I feel sorry for people on both sides who have died , END OF
I believe there are posters of Stefan on sale , perhaps get one and Jog On ..
backtracking
youd never heard of bandera until putin stuck it out there for you
no point feeling sorry for those dead. bit late for them
what you could have done is deplore large-scale war brought back to europe by a fascist dictator
but you didnt. you blamed nato, not the evil brute who started it
you dont like zelensky you say. what if you thought he was a great geezer, would you have a different opinion of the war?
irrelevant bollox from a massive idiot and fool and liar
you want to remove yourself from any discussion because you are embarrassed about previous tripe and know you are on the wrong side
youd never heard of bandera until putin stuck it out there for you
no point feeling sorry for those dead. bit late for them
what you could have done is deplore large-scale war brought back to europe by a fascist dictator
but you didnt. you blamed nato, not the evil brute who started it
you dont like zelensky you say. what if you thought he was a great geezer, would you have a different opinion of the war?
irrelevant bollox from a massive idiot and fool and liar
you want to remove yourself from any discussion because you are embarrassed about previous tripe and know you are on the wrong side
I said there was mass Corruption in Ukraine Mitolo , stop piishing your pants about it,have another Drink FFS
As for Ukraine and assisting Hitler running death camps , that is well documented
They put their own people in work camps ,Those who didnt agree with Bandera and his merry men
Read up on a bit of history Mitlo , and have another Drink
BTW we are sending another half a billion over to Team Zalensky that should cheer you up , crack another bottle open
As for Ukraine and assisting Hitler running death camps , that is well documented
They put their own people in work camps ,Those who didnt agree with Bandera and his merry men
Read up on a bit of history Mitlo , and have another Drink
BTW we are sending another half a billion over to Team Zalensky that should cheer you up , crack another bottle open
They'd risk losing a very safe seat if someone steps aside for Burnham,
and they would almost guarantee losing the Manchester Mayor gig.
Let's get Angie in, the tax affairs won't amount to much.
and they would almost guarantee losing the Manchester Mayor gig.
Let's get Angie in, the tax affairs won't amount to much.
I don't see it myself, the GBP don't like being taken for granted, and have a habit of handing someone a reality check when it is deserved.
Rayner resigned over her breaking the ministerial code, the starting point with any politician is being ethical,she should be shunned from the party and so should anyone else who isn't ethical.
We've had ex terrorists as MPs, a bit of a tax fiddle is
nowt compared to that.
nowt compared to that.
Her issue is the unashamed hypocrisy, the socialist red queen piling up properties and evading tax. Not in small part by raiding her son's compo.
Sinn Fein don't get paid by UK/Westminster while she did handsomely and still not willing to pay her dues,not good enough,it is basically unethical against your employer.
Serve the country and not yourself
Serve the country and not yourself
I honestly think you have one now unless you can persuade me otherwise.
We could do with someone who thinks more of the UK
than he does the EU and WEF though.
than he does the EU and WEF though.
He is probably right with thinking the UKs best interest is a close relationship with the EU,maybe even more so today. You can talk all billybigbollix like johnson and others but in practice it isn't feasible and was shown.
Germany's expected growth rate for 2026 is projected to be between 1.4% and 1.5%. Goldman Sachs forecasts a growth of 1.4%, while the Ifo Institute and other sources predict a growth of 1.5%.
France’s economy is projected to grow by approximately 0.9% in 2026, with quarterly growth moderating to 0.2% in the first half of the year.
Annual Growth Outlook (European Commission, 2026).
righty ho
France’s economy is projected to grow by approximately 0.9% in 2026, with quarterly growth moderating to 0.2% in the first half of the year.
Annual Growth Outlook (European Commission, 2026).
righty ho
Approximately 3.6 trillion USD
France National Debt
France's national debt is a significant concern, with a debt-to-GDP ratio of 115.16% as of 2024. This means that France's total debt is approximately 3.6 trillion USD, which is a substantial portion of the country's economy.
€2.69 trillion
Germany National Debt
Germany's national debt has seen fluctuations over the years, with the most recent increase in 2024. The general government debt rose by €57 billion, bringing the total to €2.69 trillion. This increase was primarily due to the central government's borrowing, which included repayments on assistance loans granted during the coronavirus pandemic and to support the energy sector. The debt ratio, which is the ratio of debt to nominal GDP, fell by 0.4 percentage point to 62.5%. This decrease was offset by the nominal GDP growth, which reduced the debt ratio by 1.8 percentage points.
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France National Debt
France's national debt is a significant concern, with a debt-to-GDP ratio of 115.16% as of 2024. This means that France's total debt is approximately 3.6 trillion USD, which is a substantial portion of the country's economy.
€2.69 trillion
Germany National Debt
Germany's national debt has seen fluctuations over the years, with the most recent increase in 2024. The general government debt rose by €57 billion, bringing the total to €2.69 trillion. This increase was primarily due to the central government's borrowing, which included repayments on assistance loans granted during the coronavirus pandemic and to support the energy sector. The debt ratio, which is the ratio of debt to nominal GDP, fell by 0.4 percentage point to 62.5%. This decrease was offset by the nominal GDP growth, which reduced the debt ratio by 1.8 percentage points.
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Given those two countries bad economic performances Cider are you saying that it isn't Starmers fault the UK is up the creek too?
He is probably right with thinking the UKs best interest is a close relationship with the EU
the actual evidence suggests otherwise.
the actual evidence suggests otherwise.
I take it you are saying both Starmer is actually doing an ok job in relation to similar European countries and it would have been a lot,lot better if the OBR brexit losses are even half correct?
So far 70 MPs have called upon him to resign. Another 11 are needed for a motion unless Cabinet ministers tell him to resign.
Nothing to do with Starmer. You are claiming that a close relationship with the EU is in our best interest. But the EU is failing. If you've got the flu, the answer isn't jumping off the nearest bridge.
Source,the independent,the eye watering fee being lost each year due to brexit.
1/ £90 billion a year in lost tax revenue
2/ Average briton worse off by £2700-£3700 per annum in terms of GDP per head
3/GDP 6-8% smaller due to leaving the EU.
Okay you saved £12 billion per annum.
You would of course castigate him under any circumstance but without the above you have proven he is doing okay with your example Cider.
1/ £90 billion a year in lost tax revenue
2/ Average briton worse off by £2700-£3700 per annum in terms of GDP per head
3/GDP 6-8% smaller due to leaving the EU.
Okay you saved £12 billion per annum.
You would of course castigate him under any circumstance but without the above you have proven he is doing okay with your example Cider.
The independent is the exact opposite. All those figures are bow locks.
And as I posted last night, the average Scot is annually £3K better off than then average Brit, due to 'wealth redistribution'. We'd only need to put a stop to that nonsense, job done.
And as I posted last night, the average Scot is annually £3K better off than then average Brit, due to 'wealth redistribution'. We'd only need to put a stop to that nonsense, job done.
Germany are in the EU , I heard they are potless ?
Hes Toast IMP , HOC reopens Wednesday if 70 today will be over 100 By wednesday
GDP growth 2024 (I just picked a random post brexit year not distorted by lockdowns.
No more Riding up front in the Jeep with his mate Manny
Yes I heard things were not fairing too well for the Powerhouse of Europe
the level of gaslighting is high, I'll give them that. I suppose they rely on people believing them like sheep.
They will have to Drag him out with his Suitcases
The Parliamentary friends of the main PM contender are riding shotgun for prime position but do not want their leader to pace-set for others to come through and collect the main prize. In the meantime the useless git is still in office at the country's expense.
Sir Shameless will be remembered for "I'll stop the boats".
Sir Shameless will be remembered for "I'll stop the boats".
I don't get why the odds for new leader April-June are as low as they are. Surely that's now virtually impossible with recess + long election process to come.
Yeah, shall be bring back the Theresa may thread, lol.
All over bar the Shouting ,which will be Starmer as he is Carted out
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