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I watched PMQs for once.
It is genuinely embarrassing that this incoherent muppet is the political leader of the UK.
Labour has to get rid of this idiot. I'd make it around 1.2.
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Any layers of 2026 about ?
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Odds feel about right to me. If they'd allowed Burnham to stand they'd have had their replacement ready-made and he'd probably be gone by next month but the MP's will now be tossing up whose next and what will they do. Never forget they love a bit of infighting about direction so that won't be straight forward.
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Which stakeholders would you say have the most influence over party matters? If it's still the unions then I can't see how he survives. Backers have multiple bites of the cherry, even if they let him get past this (after what he has already admitted to), May will be a wipe out including losing Wales for the first time. The new(ish) Labour MPs will want some chance of keeping their jobs.
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Binning McSweeney might buy him some time, especially if it was allied to bringing Rayner back into the fold and moving to a more traditional Labour viewpoint. But it still feels like he's only marking time.
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That said, it's equally the case that he could be out by this evening. Politics is febrile in the last decade or so. The likes of Thatcher's drawn out upturning are from a different era. Mandelson could be the convenient scapegoat to get rid now and look to re-shape going into May. Odds have drifted out seven spots since my first post so - for me - it's one to get the popcorn out and watch from the sidelines.
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That may well be true, Starmer today admitted to appointing Mandy as US ambassador even though he knew he had strong associations with a convicted paedo. Ordinarily that alone would end a PM.
I saw somewhere that Starmer made this the first political appointment to that position in 50 years. So he can't pin it on anyone else this time. He seems to gave been relying on Mandy denying what the vetting threw up  And the vetting of his own team, who coincidentally were pushing for Mandy to get the role. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I suspect the relevant phrase is boxed in.
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During Starmers official trip to USA last year, he had an 'off the books' meeting with Palantir, not listed on any published diary, orchestrated by the man with close links to Palantir, Mandelson, and subsequently Palantir were awarded a £240m contract.... not a British company
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The establishment yet again doing what the establishment does so well....
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We should hope he staggers, on for a good few months yet.
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We can't suffer this fool for another 3 weeks, never mind 3 years.
Evidently it will be interesting to see who replaces him. But as far as the betting goes, I can't really see a plausible reason why he will be still putting us through it this time next year. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Agreed saddo. I would love the guy to now resign but who does Labour have to replace him. What part did McSweeney play in this tale of governmental ineptitude?
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We want lots of dirty factional infighting, not a swift resignation.
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Starmer has certainly been a disaster,but I think it's because he's not a natural politician.
He may well lie at times but he's not an habitual liar like Johnson,nor is he away with the fairies like Truss. He just doesn't seem to have the right political instincts to be a credible PM. Waking Mandelson during the daylight was always going to be a fiasco waiting to happen,whatever Starmer did or did not know about his ongoing relationship with Epstein. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Fairly important attribute, that seemingly he doesn't have.
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Isn't it just
 .The diehards will always find a reason to forgive. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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* Tories just the same, I warned LFC off all their leaders
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'Starmer not an habitual liar' Talking about being away with the fairies....
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He's a disaster because he shouldn't be a politician
He's a liar, but not a habitual one It's still feasible that he was unaware of the full Mandelson/Epstein relationship  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Compared to Boris there is no way he's an habitual liar.
I don't think it's we labour voters ( possibly not next time in my case ) who are indulging in tribalpolitics on this thread,or indeed on this forum. Which is why I now very rarely post. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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It's demonstrably untrue. Nothing to do with Boris Johnson. If I had the inclination I'd be here listing them all out until Sunday.
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Like he literally got elected as Labour leader using a litany of lies.
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Compared to Johnson even farrage and mandleson might look honest
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Corbyn wasn't a friend
I'm not having a pop salmon, but how anyone can conclude he isn't an habitual liar after the last few years of repeatedly, endlessly lying is beyond me. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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He's sorry, apparently, sorry sorry sorry................
What a whiny shell of a man we have running the country, he's absolutely earned the right to be a laughing stock. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Talking about Jenrick today, he'd be welcomed by a few on here
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Cider, Starmer has not just regularly lied he genuinely believes the lies he spouts.
True Cider, he jumped into his Reform suit too soon. If he had waited and joined Labour he’d surely be P.M. by June. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I was referring to Starmer's whataboutery, the old lefties still on here love a bit of whataboutery. It's unbelievably lame from a weak man. It doesn't help him either that most normal people know that what Jenrick said about his visit to a part of Brum is accurate...
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Biscuits the donut.
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2026. I think he'll resign. He now knows he's not cut-out to be PM. The job was beyond him.
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I agree imp.
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Not until he's told to 'resign' imo. He will be hounded about his personal life
once he's lost the protection of office. Woe, woe and thrice woe. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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..."personal life"... You'd not be referring to LGBT association, would you?
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Trying to insinuate like that imp is not good forum practice. Please don’t go down that road - one lapsy pa is enough.
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Touched 1.14 this afternoon, faster than I anticipated !
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Clearly
Rate reply: | report block user Cider Cider 13 Nov 25 15:07 Joined: 29 Aug 02 | Topic/replies: 67,218 | Blogger: Cider's blog We know the budget is going to be toxic, but not how toxic. However, the sequence of events that would lead to a new permanent PM being in place before Xmas is a very long shot. Certainly longer than the current odds. Even if Rachel from accounts is forced to jump, Starmer will retain the nominal support of sly, itv and auntie. Which is why I could not even back next year on this market. It's quite possible he will be propped up, albeit he's already mortally wounded, before the budget. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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His fate is sealed for me but makes logical sense for the carnage in May, and a 17th reset after the summer break. But who knows how long the Mandy stuff will be supressed for.
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