Reeves Budget

Yes, common tax-avoidance practice is rife, except for those on PAYE, that's what I'm saying.

Taxed at 100%

Lol,you mean all of it will be taxed as state pension mops
up all of your tax allowances.

As you didn't pay tax on cash put into pension it's only right.

----you-have-to-laugh--- 27 Nov 25 21:55 
Reeve tells Martin Lewis that state pension will
remain tax free over course of this parliament.

So obviously plans to raise allowances, at least for pensioners.

Odd to tell Martin Lewis, and not announce in budget.

....................

I think they're a bit scared of him, he's populist and carries some clout.
I can't do with the presentation of his show or I'd watch it.

It will be curious to see how they deal with that anomaly, if it's true. People who don't have any secondary income aside from the state pension that could be tax at source, but over the tax free threshold.

sageform, I assume you are recycling the £2880 annually to get the 'free' cash.

I don't take anything other than the State pension to which I am entitled (and every pound above £12570 is taxed) and the £200 cold weather payment to which I am also entitled but so far is not taxed. The point I was making was that HMRC take nearly half of my private pension now and will take ALL OF IT, yes 100% if my state pension reaches a high enough figure which it might within 4 years if the inflation rate stays around 4%. All because they are too cowardly to admit that they are imposing tax on a State Benefit. They should be honest about it and take tax from the State Pension and just the basic 20% from my private income.

Not sure what you mean by free cash Cider unless you mean the tax free income and dividend allowances. This again is something everyone is entitled to. I also make quite a lot of income from ISAs but yet again everyone can do that.

Up to age 75 you can put in up to £2880 into a pension to get tax relief, even if you have no earned income. So, effectively a 'free' £720 annually. Sorry if you have already passed that age!

Again, though, that's a "benefit" paid to those who have a spare £2880. The poorest don't live like that.

I would have every penny of pension tax-relief paid back to HMRC before anyone could claim state-pension and even that would be a good deal for the individual.

There are plenty of benefits to being 'poor' as you put it, but that post is directly to sageform, who isn't poor.

The government takes plenty off you, so all opportunities [within the rules] to grab some back should be taken!

Nov 28, 2025 -- 4:24PM, Cider wrote:

There are plenty of benefits to being 'poor' as you put it, but that post is directly to sageform, who isn't poor.

I've been both and it's definitely easier to get richer when you're rich.

Of course I agree that everyone has an obligation to do the best for themselves and family - we're on a betting exchange after all, therefore I want your money!

But I'm a bit nonplussed why investors are complaining about this budget, or the last one; someone who earns £20,000pa in unprotected share dividends is to pay £400 more. So what?

Is it just that you are unhappy because your newsfeed tells you you should be? Be careful what you wish for when you attack Rachel Reeves:- the country voted in 2024 for less inequality; if she is replaced in 25/26 it could well be by someone red in tooth and claw.

The Great Tax Robbery

Rachel Reeves accused of 'lying' as OBR watchdog reveals she was told MONTHS before Budget there was NO hole in the public finances

WTF is going on ?

unitedbiscuits

Labour have ramped spending (again), and ramped up borrowing (again).

Nibbling away at dividend tax is irrelevant.

So there has never been any Black holes  ? 

REEVE AND STARMER are toast , the Labour Party must act now

Kemi Badenoch has claimed that the  OBR letter released today shows that Rachel Reeves “lied to the public” to justify tax rises in the budget.

We wonder why they released the Budget Details early , could it be the OBR knew it was a sham Budget ?

Nov 28, 2025 -- 5:01PM, Cider wrote:

unitedbiscuitsLabour have ramped spending (again), and ramped up borrowing (again). Nibbling away at dividend tax is irrelevant.

Quite right. The country voted for a change of direction last year. My concern is that Reeves will get ousted by the red in tooth and claw faction - be careful what you wish for, Labour are calling the shots until 2029 at least.

Chris Philp MP: There was no £22 billion black hole - Rachel Reeves made it up

Thursday, 31 October, 2024

So these Imaginary Holes have appeared in Two Budgets ?

be careful what you wish for, Labour are calling the shots until 2029 at least.

If these made up black holes are true  Starmer and Reeve must go ,There will be every right for the People of the UK to call for a General Election

This is Fraudulent Tax Extortion

Didn't see you complaining when Cameron was elected and said the last administration had left the country bankrupt.

They all deal in lies.

Peston has come on ITV to say WTF is actually going on

He said I back all this 

We can see that you are excited, the old nanny

But can you articulate what you are agitated about?

I should imagine its you lefties are Agitated UB ,When this Women and that Excuse for a PM are gone I will be delighted

I have never said I disagree with the tax calculations from HMRC Cider (and I am too old for the £2880). It is the blatant dishonesty of Ms Reeves that makes me angry. Of course they are taxing the State Pension and they have raised income tax rates by 2% on all investment income above the free limit. Both of which break manifesto pledges and even now she denies that she has done either!

Rachel Theives is employing Trump tactics
Say it often enough someone might believe her

How many wars has she ended?

Dishonesty from a guy claiming 100% tax rate

You don't have to make it up.

Nov 28, 2025 -- 7:25PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

Dishonesty from a guy claiming 100% tax rateYou don't have to make it up.

Could you or sageform elaborate about the 100% tax rate?

Who benefits?

Well if they tax his state pension or part of it
then his total tax may equate to the small annuity
of 300 squids he has elsewhere.

Therefore 100% tax on his annuity

But complains about others misleading...

You have to ask the Question is Reeves mentally unfit , in what world would she try to pull off such a stunt ?  It would quite obviously come to Light

There has to be more to this than Blatant Lying ?  What was going on with the OBR releasing the Budget early ? Why did they do that , It's no Error IMO

If what is being said IS TRUE and nearly every paper is going with it , Surely the Budget is invalid ? If its True Starmer Must go as well ..

Why not Just go ahead with what they Intended ,Saying they had the money to do it that things had taken a Turn , Limited taxes in Budget , everyone Would

have to say well done  , A big Plus for all concerned , Summat is not adding up with this whole business ,Why not disclose the Truth ?

If what is being said IS TRUE and nearly every paper is going with it , Surely the Budget is invalid ?

You have to ask the Question is casemoney mentally unfit ,

Another disaster for Donnie and the Lads down the working Mans Club , I see Sunderland has Fallen further Donnie

True Labour Voters know what this outfit represent ,Its not the working class

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer will give his backing to the chancellor's Budget in a speech on Monday, and commit the government to going "further and faster" on pro-growth measures.

He will say Chancellor Rachel Reeves's statement will help to alleviate cost of living pressures, lower inflation and ensure economic stability.

It comes as the Treasury faces questions over whether it was transparent about the state of the public finances in the run-up to the Budget.

The Conservatives claimed Reeves misled the public by being too pessimistic about the economic outlook when official forecasts painted a more upbeat picture.

No 10 has denied that Reeves misled voters and defended her statement.

Despite the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) downgrading growth from next year, the prime minister will argue that "economic growth is beating forecasts", but the government must do more to encourage it.

It would sit much better with most of us if Starmer and Reeves made these speeches in the House of Commons where they belong. There is a budget debate due shortly which is the proper place to defend their crazy plans but they prefer to make staged speeches elsewhere. The Tories were not much better at respecting Parliament and Trump tries to ignore the views of Congress but 3 wrongs do not make a right. The Speaker repeatedly castigates them for avoiding the floor of the house. Are they afraid that MPs might ask too many awkward questions?

Far safer to lie outside of parliament, simple as that.

The word Shameless Covers her , Financial Markets move on these Budgets she has given false information  ,surely that is Illegal

Would anyone like to make a case for her not being sacked ?

A Budget for Folks to sit and home  and have children ,it is not worth them Going to work if they are paying rent etc

The Problem is ,if she goes surely Starmer has to go , he signed all this off knowing quite well it was all a Lie

The press were full of Shite about budget as were the forum idiots.
This put pound under pressure, so no wonder reeves had to
talk about stuff and the downward pressure on UK finances
from productivity and from brexit.

Of course things are not as bad as gutter press and forum idiots
thought, and tried to portray.

Seems reeves isn't doing a bad job so they call her a liar

Lol, gutter press and idiots, seething.

Liars Donnie

Ange back in the News Council tax issues by all accounts , They are some outfit

It's going to be interesting when Donny tries to remove his tongue from Starmers arse and goes ball deep on the Greens like the rest of them.

Farage house still in news and unexplained

No wonder the press and idiots are seething

1. Excuse my forum “idiocy” but WHO is Donny?
2. I see that the able use of capitals and/or lower case in certain words sees them published o.k. Every day a school day. 
3.  Kemi becoming a savage at the despatch box.  How soon until someone dredges up her e-mail hacking c.v.?

it was a previous forum name mate

I am donny.

3.kemi hacking, but more likely her bullying which she denied
is brought to mind, going on like that.

Bullying .  If Reeves can't handle a justified critique of her hopelessness then she should resign. Good to see Kemi dishing out some home truths.
I must admit i thought the Tories were dead, but there could still be some hope if she keeps this up.

It doesn't matter what mud the Mirror or Guardian throws at Farage because it's not sticking, who cares what he said at school for instance ? They need to come up with something more than they have so far to have any effect on the electorate.

Once again you have zero grasp, idiot.

Badenoch faced bullying accusations when a cabinet
minister.

To carry on in that manner in parliament, in full view
of the public makes the
accusations so much more believable

Ty.

It doesn't matter what mud the Mirror or Guardian throws at Farage because it's not sticking, who cares what he said at school for instance ?


The people he racially abused,...

Yes they kept that juicy secret for decades, until he was bossing the general election polls, or

they are making something up that can't be proven, with no risk to the fantasist.

hmmmmm

Defender of the FILTH having wet dreams again about NIGE NIGE NIGE NIGE HIGE

They didn't keep it quiet, it's been widely reported for years.

It was denied by racist supporters of his so reporters
approached more folk who were there for corroboration

And dozens back up the stories of him being a racist

You can play it down, but why?

Hmmmmm.

Yes they kept that juicy secret for decades, until he was bossing the general election polls, or

they are making something up that can't be proven, with no risk to the fantasist.

the jimmy saville defence

Oh dear the forum;s permanent liar turns up...dont believe a word

I'm not sure which part of "he was at school and it was nearly 50 years ago" is hard to understand here. Unless he has been saying such comments in his adult life then it has no real relevance as far as the majority of voters are concerned. And if it has been "widely reported for years" then it shows you it is having zero effect.

The whiff of desperation from the hapless left is overpowering.

The whiff of desperation defence, projection again, idiot.

One Cabinet minister told The Times: “Why did Keir and Rachel allow the country to believe for so long that we would break our manifesto by putting up income tax by 2p when they would have known that wasn’t true?

At no point were the Cabinet told about the reality of the OBR forecasts ,WTF ? This is now beyond silly

WTF do these Two think they are ?   Its TAX PAYERS MONEY , NOT THEIR'S

Why did the papers make up the story in first place?

No it has been reported for years.

Someone put a single ALLEGATION in a Farage biography. The biographer has stated he could find any basis for the allegation.

It hasn't stopped his political opponents from repeating the smears.

Lamy tried it on the bbc around conference season, and shortly afterwards was forced to do an embarrassing climb down.

Speaking after the speech on the BBC's Politics Live, Lammy was asked whether he thought Farage was a racist.

He said the PM had been calling out policies "that would line people up who have a right to be in this country, who might be Indian, who might be Nigerian, and send them home".

He added: "It's not British. It doesn't respect our values.

"I'm not going to play the man. I'm playing the ball, as our leader did.

"I will leave it for the public to come to their own judgements about someone who once flirted with Hitler Youth when he was younger."

Shortly after making the comments, Lammy said he was "happy to clarify" them, in an interview with the BBC News Channel.

"He [Farage] has denied it and so I accept that he has denied it and I would like to clarify that position because in the end the prime minister is keen for us to focus on the policies not the individuals."

The deputy prime minister added: "I wasn't at school with Nigel Farage. I don't know what songs he sang at school.

"I'm happy to clarify. I did say it's for the public to make up their mind and I did also emphasise that let us play the ball, not the man ."

That's not a climb down, and the book has been reported widely for years.

Farage was recently given a chance to deny it

He didnt, but he waffled and dug himself into
a deeper hole whilst saying it was 50 years ago.

He could have sued for libel, he still can

But having failed to deny the accusations he would lose,
and it would cost him bigly.

You can defend your racist hero as much as you want.

Hmmmmm

https://x.com/SunApology/status/1993017622682911020?s=19

..

Stop making excuses for these two Plebs , Starmer roaring and shouting about poor Children the only thing he is interested in is VOTES and his Back Benches

the CB cap should have been limited to 4 Kids Max, unlimited is insanity it will lead to Babies for Benefits , Him and Reeve have lost the Plot LOOSE CANNONS

We are talking about this Government Not Farage not Boris , or what the Tories did

Lammy backtracks on Farage Hitler Youth claim


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn95q9j0yyro

They are SHAMELESS and whats more Dangerous

BBC, lol, we don't accept that on here, nobody reads it, lol

You keep defending racist farage, for whatever reason

Hmmmm

Playground tittle tattle.

Exactly.... esp in Parliament

....and from a distance it does not do the country any good

Why were Starmer and Reeves not made to attend the HOC today to answer questions ?

You might well ask nanny. Write to the Speaker.

Starmer desperately looking for an out to keep him and Reeves away from the House , I wonder what could happen ?

Write to the speaker, lol.

Chris Mason article on the Beeb site makes it look like a pretty minor issue.  A bit like a trainer hiding ability from the handicapper?

They are not supposed to give the budget
until the budget.

Speculation from gutter press forced reeves to speak
to reassure markets.

Pretty sure a racehorse trainer would say he's worked ok
but not tell everybody he's a stone well in on handicap.

I suppose so but in this modern political world where integrity is a fail and lies are accepted currency it all seems like a storm in a tea cup.

Labour will be quite happy with this storm in a teacup as it will take the limelight of her terrible budget.

It would be worse, far worse, if things were worse than expected.

But that could happen next year.

The gutter press made a meal of obr leaking the budget and that
being bad for reeves, but she has no part in their
error releasing details of her budget.

There is a general desperation to make things overly dramatic
in the gutter press to keep the idiots buying the
papers and taking the click bait.

Council elections may cause a problem for starmer, as likely
they are a disaster, and I guess all this chaff around
the budget doesn't help him spin his message.

He needs to get a step ahead, and not remain a step behind
the game. Or else he's toast.

Frankly, I am stunned at just how poor he is and has been.  He exudes no authority whatsoever as far as I am concerned.

Talking of being overly dramatic. That would describe Reeves pretending
she needed more than was true from taxpayers, so she could actually give it away on benefits.

there is a lot going on behind the scenes

Starmer is probrably at the bottom of it

Starmer is probrably at the bottom of it

Stop it. The Ukranian rent boys are in jail.

Ants at a picnic. Govt has a mandate to lead the country to less inequality up to 2029.

Suck it up

"to less inequality"  ....utter rubbish


When is starmer going to invite poor arsenal fans into his box at the Emirates

Biggest inequality is between those working for less than £25k a year and the unemployed (or unable to work) who get more than that and pay no tax or NI and don't have the not inconsiderable cost of getting to and from work.

Reeves did not mislead on challenges facing
UK ahead of Budget, says OBR official


A senior official at the UK's economic forecaster has said he does not believe the chancellor was being misleading when she said the state of the public finances were "very challenging" in the run-up to the Budget.

Prof David Miles from the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) told MPs Rachel Reeves's comments ahead of announcing her tax and spending plans were "not inconsistent" with the situation she faced.



Has David spotted a vacancy....

The media are framing the fact that the economy has improved under labour as "outrageous".

P.S.
wages up under labour
FTSE up circa 19% from 8,200 to 9,700 under labour

ooooo it's outrageous, Reeves & Starmer should resign

Kemi spending her every waking moment trash-talking the economy (that her party trashed).

Reeves spending her every waking moment saying it's not as bad as it seems and it will improve given time.

It improves slightly - and Kemi wants Reeves to resign for lying. It's like a parallel universe.

Where's the "growth , growth  and more growth " they wittered on about endlessly ?

That doesn't get a mention anymore.

According to the analysis by the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ), a working family with three children in the UK would need a gross salary of roughly £71,000 to have the same take-home income as a similar family on combined out-of-work benefits, after the recent changes to the two-child benefit cap.

Come on - Who really thinks that the is right way to structure benefits ?

How is that going to encourage people to work ?

Completely bonkers.

Shown in such stark terms you have to be right.

The British electorate has f***** itself again

They have voted in a load of Liars

Centre for Social Justice (CSJ) Is just making stuff up.


According to google:

What is 71000 after tax in the UK?

£51,737.40

Calculation details

On a £71,000 salary, your take home pay will be £51,737.40 after tax and National Insurance. This equates to £4,311.45 per month and £994.95 per week. If you work 5 days per week, this is £198.99 per day, or £24.87 per hour at 40 hours per week.


(plus they still keep 50% of their child benefit)

What is the maximum UC + Child Benefit for a family with 3 children?

AI Overview

The maximum monthly Universal Credit (UC) amount for a family with three children, including the standard allowance and child elements, is £2,701.29, assuming both children were born after April 6, 2017. This is calculated as:


Standard monthly allowance: £578.84 (single claimant) or £915.43 (couple)
Child element: £292.81 x 3 (for the three children)
Total = £578.84 + (£292.81 x 3) = £1,457.27 (for a single claimant)
Total = £915.43 + (£292.81 x 3) = £1,854.04 (for a couple)
For child benefit, the maximum monthly amount is £58.30, with £26.05 for the first child and £17.25 for each of the other two.

Important Note: The two-child limit for Universal Credit is being removed from April 2026. After this date, families will be able to claim the child element for all children, regardless of their birth date.

Family with 3 children on benefits is equivalent to £71,000 per year is fantasy.

Benefit Cap: The total amount of benefits a family receives may be limited by the Benefit Cap. The cap for couples or single parents with children living in London is £2,110.25 per month.

https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/newsroom/post-budget-research

think about it this way JTG

Labour have been in power 18 months
how much have they put benefits up for a family with 3 children?
40k? 30k?
I doubt it's even as much as £10k, probably less than £5k

how much do CSJ say this family with 3 children were getting under the tories 18 months ago?

SAy the word LIARS and look who turns up ....

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Aside from benefits, which are only going one way and now claimed by a staggering number of people. I dont know the exact breakdown but 9 million of working age are not doing any. Since 2019 1.2 million more have claimed disability benefits. Thats quite a number

its the bollox about growth investment and innovation thats so way out

The previous bodgeit was supposed to do all the necessary groundwork for growth. It didnt. This one has made things worse again

Everyone I know says she has made their life more difficult. One of them ,a small but succesSful publican has now abandoned plans to buy 2 pubs that will probably end up as flats. Constant rises in cost have made it just about viable, he says, from being a good idea. but viable isnt what he wants. His investors wont put the money up

Repeat countrywide and its a calamity

But no tax on bingo. bingo! its the same random number game as all the others. Just shows how illiterate and wrong-headed these idots are

You cant tax your way to growth

Tax thresholds are just delaying the inevitable but its a sneaky way of silently taking money via inflation