Poor Kier......no one deserves this....

Hope he dont do a Michael Gove and visit this club as he may not get out in one piece

Nobody deserves to have their pretty simple four-letter first name spelled the wrong way as often as I have seen with Starmer on this forum alone even a year into his premiership.

An even bigger one imo after todays joke.......no mention of the illegal immigration....just gunna curb legal immigration by a teeny weeny bit.....absolute clown

We are in danger of becoming 'an Island of strangers'
A bit late tbh, we were in danger of it 10 years ago.

Shtarmer has gone full 1930s with that sort of rhetoric. We need a moderate like farage to stand up to him

Poor Kier?

The man who let another man buy his wife frocks?

Someone Set fire to his House

I heard there was a Couple of Protests outside his House  ? Seems strange as he is in Number 10

I thought he rather preferred a 'bachelor pad' away from the family?

Looks like it was petrol Bombed The front door etc

Oh blimey
Just read the breaking headline on sky news that somebody been arrested for a series of attacks.

Starmer might need to go to his European sanctuary for a bit again, seems to fair better over there with his pals.

Even more muggy behaviour towards the general public - they think you are stupid

Two Houses , One that has been converted into Flats  both owned by Starmer,  also a car went up in Flames

Far Right or Mental Illness ?

Who ever it is should be dealt with accordingly

It was an Ukrainian is this correct ?

Roman Lavrynovych, 21, a Ukrainian national from Sydenham, southeast London, is due to appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court on Friday, the Metropolitan Police said.

Deary Me !!

Would Have bet

4/6  Palestine supporter
6/4  Far right
10   random Nutter

1000  Ukrainian Involved

Rent boy no offers.

Mad how you boys make it so obvious how gullible you are in believing everything you read on the net.

The word on the Street :

The 21 year old Ukrainian "Model" that firebombed British Prime Minsiter Kier Starmers' home and car was a Male Prostitute.

WTF was going on at these properties ? Clearly Starmer would have no involvement with a  Gay Male Model come rent Boy ..

As I said 1000  someone from Ukraine being involved

Another guy has also  been arrested , mind you 6/4 far right being Ukraine is involved might not have been that far off ?

My rumours have it that Russia, as they have otherwise been known to do, recruited him as a disposable saboteur.

They are not to be trusted, some people forgot that. Even those
who were raised under the Soviet heel.

So the UK give full support to Zalenko , its the Russians who have recruited a gay model from Ukraine to attack Starmers house ?

Do you have a sauce for this info EDY

I may need to make a new entry into my Betting market

what I find strange is that we have a war Going on why is this 21 yo in the UK , surely he should be on the Russian front ?

Do you have a sauce for this info EDY

Nah. Reading your post prior to mine, I thought we were meant to talk out of our buttockses.

Though the piece about Russia recruiting people for sabotage amongst our midst is well established. They of course don't necessarily have to reveal who they are to their contracted saboteurs, nor every detail about the task. With some luck, the contracted will not really care about the details either as they like the money.

What's with the alt cringe's obsession with rent boys btw.?

Germany, coincidentally on May 14 (so very close to the date of this Ukrainian's attack on things connected to Starmer) arrested three Ukrainian citizens who are suspected to have been recruited by Russia to commit arson and explosion attacks.

https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/russland-sabotage-festnahmen-100.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/may/04/these-people-are-disposable-how-russia-is-using-online-recruits-for-a-campaign-of-sabotage-in-europe

Some more on Russia's efforts to recruit saboteurs to e.g. set our things on fire.

Also related:

Russia’s New Weapon: Child Suicide Bombers
Moscow’s intelligence services are recruiting unsuspecting civilians, including the young and vulnerable, for suicide missions

https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/russias-new-weapon-child-suicide-bombers/

As stated another man has been arrested Lets see who he is , things might become a little clearer

Another Male Model Nicked

Stanislav Carpiuc

My name Stanislav
I was born in the west of Ukraine in small town Chernivtsi
I started my modeling career quite recently
I wish to enter in top of male model in the world


Any Idea why all these male models are allegedly  attacking starmers properties ?

Another guy has also been arrested

Starmer needs to make a statement as to what is going on here ,and Quick

Were these guys renting and he had them slung out for whatever reason ,What is the Link here ?

two people have been charged, which makes the matter sub judice, so surely making a statement would be most unwise???

If they are let out on Bail  I should imagine they might be looking for More Money ?

Such as that from the newspapers ,Mind you Starmer might find room to keep these guys locked up

The situation is all very strange  ,they must know why these Guys are attacking the PMs homes

why would they not release the Info ,quick enough releaseing info that the Far Right were attacking hotels for racists reasons

so why not these alleged arsonists ? The reason does not make them guilty

Starmer is Pro Ukraine , Pro Gay Rights

was there a rental Dispute ?

two people have been charged, which makes the matter sub judice, so surely making a statement would be most unwise???


You're off your head Swag!

Do you really expect to have an intelligent conversation to someone who doesn't understand the law in his adopted country?

Fair play to him for standing up to baby killing Israel, about time but he is.

May 20, 2025 -- 2:26PM, the old nanny ;-) wrote:

If they are let out on Bail

A few Russian speakers decide to set light to property associated with Keir Starmer who has been at the forefront of opposition to Russian war aims. Then some far right KGB sponsored websites frequented by individuals like granny start spreading rumours. All very similar to the Hilary hoax

It's quite obvious that these individuals have been recruited by the Russians in my view. Those who are hoping that it's some homosexual scandal involving Starmer are going to be disappointed again when all the facts are revealed, just like they were with all the Paul Pelosi nonsense.

It didn't work with Paul Pelosi, might not work with Starmer, but one day it will so totes work if the same people just keep pushing and pushing that everybody is renting themselves boys.

They are gay Jack , edy has told us gay rights in Russia are not good , doesn't fit TBH

Not entirely sure every male model ever is gay.

Of all the people to do this, it is some Russian speaking gays, honest to god I cannot believe how gullible some people are.

And as I said, people that get contacted on Telegram by the Russians for some supposedly petty sabotage most likely do not even necessarily get told or realise or care who their employers are or about the finer details on whose property is concerned.

The newlinesmag article I linked for you, nanny, is quite informative if you haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

I'm waiting to Find out who number 3 is Edy  should be announced to-morrow 

Why would Putin Want Starmers back door and Car torched , perhaps you can throw some light on that

Putin would obviously know he is not living there , What does he think those actions would achieve ?

I stand that they were renting and had to be Slung out for some reason ,and decided they were not happy about it

He knows this because he is far right echo chamber said it, so it must be true

Starmer will surely have had no Contact with them , an agent would deal with it

but why attack his ex Car that had only recently been sold

It was the facking KGB you absolute mug

So you are with the Putin Theory Cristy , Ill go with they were Slung out for some reason

Right ho, please never come back on here when you were proved wrong.

There is absolutely no chance that Starmer is in any way involved with these individuals.

They are KGB agents now ?

The old saying "you dont Sh1t on your Own doorstep" Comes to mind ,Spec when your Buddie has a pentouse

you have full use of , so I doubt Starmer is involved Personally

Paid by the KGB, fcuk me get Sherlock Holmes on this one.

Agree JACK tbh , but I dont think the KGB are involved either

If the KGB were after starmer , they would petrol bomb his House and Car , Sounds like a New Tactic Cristy

usually Umberellas and perfume bottles involved

So, we’ve got some Russian speaking Ukrainians deciding they are going to burn various stuff owned or related to Keir Starmer, fair play we have underestimated these fellas, they are top spies doing all this on their own for no reason whatsoever.

Edy has already explained to you that the Russians recruit people to carry out tasks for them and the individuals concerned may have no idea who they are really working for, they are just paid to do a certain job.

It's a very common tactic all over the world and people who are desperate for cash will do all sorts of things for a few quid.

Doesnt sound like the KGB to me Jack , what have they gained ?

No doubt all will be revealed

It's obviously meant to intimidate. The Russians are constantly threatening the UK on their state media channels.

Giving people reason to speculate about rent boys or a population enraged enough about Starmer to set things on fire would also be worth a few hundred quid for the FSB.

UK investigates possible Russian involvement in Starmer arson attacks
Counterterrorism police looking into fires at properties connected to prime minister keep open mind about motive

https://www.ft.com/content/0fb7a268-1bf6-4faf-ac60-67c53ddf1e62

BBC Panorama will be exposing that Russia was behind the arson attacks.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8r2l352z2do



Russia was behind arson attacks targeting PM, BBC reveals.

Daniel De Simone, Tom Beal and Olga Malchevska, BBC News Investigations and BBC Panorama

Even after he set fire to Sir Keir Starmer's house, Roman Lavrynovych - convicted on Monday of conspiring to commit arson - seemed to know as much about the prime minister as a bullet knows about its target.

His anonymous handler, known by the initials EL, gave a clue in a message: "Look, you attacked the home of a very high-ranking person in Britain. I'll send you money, you need to leave the city."

It was too late: Lavrynovych was arrested within hours.

The 22-year-old Ukrainian builder had been weaponised to target the UK's head of government. But by who?

Our investigation has found the arson attack was just one part of an extensive campaign of sabotage, provocation and lies leading all the way to the Russian state.

The handler EL, who directed Lavrynovych, offered Russian citizenship in return for other attacks and glorified President Vladimir Putin, messages the BBC has uncovered show.

We have identified evidence suggesting that EL is a young Russian diplomat, schooled in information warfare by spies and propagandists, who is close to the highest levels of power in Moscow. His name is Evgeny Lyukshin. He is 23 and the son of a senior official.

Russian operatives ran their sabotage and provocation campaign remotely through social media and the messaging app Telegram, we found, creating fake online far-right and Muslim groups, which were used to organise acts of vandalism in the UK and stir up division and fear.

Accounts based in Russia posted lies about the motive for the arson attacks targeting Starmer, which were spread by figures such as far-right anti-Islam activist Tommy Robinson.

The Russian embassy said: "We reject any attempt to associate Russia or its foreign ministry with unlawful activities."

It said that Russia poses "no threat to the United Kingdom or its people and harbours no aggressive intentions towards Britain".

Lyukshin did not respond to our questions, but hours after contacting him, a propaganda channel we had challenged him on disappeared.

Ukrainian national Lavrynovych, and Ukrainian-born Romanian national Stanislav Carpiuc, 27, have now been convicted at the Old Bailey of conspiring to target property and a car connected to the UK prime minister.

A third man, Petro Pochynok, 35, was found not guilty of conspiracy to commit arson.

The first fire last year occurred when a Toyota, previously owned by the prime minister, was set ablaze in north London. There were two more arson attacks: one at the entrance to flats where Sir Keir used to live and another at the entrance to his house, which had been rented to his sister-in-law after his move to No 10.

But the trial of the three men was strange, mainly because the true author of the drama was never revealed.

The case focused strictly on a financial motive. The identity, connections and motives of the anonymous handler who offered Lavrynovych money for the attacks were deliberately avoided.

In court, the handler was referred to as "EL Money", which is how he was saved in Lavrynovych's phone, but on the Telegram messaging app he simply used the initials "EL". This app was where EL recruited Lavrynovych, finding him in a group for Ukrainians in London seeking work.

From that innocuous initial connection, Lavrynovych was tasked with actions of escalating criminality, from plastering posters, to graffiti, to arson. Lavrynovych knew he was doing wrong but carried on anyway, hoping to earn a payday.

In court, there were only a limited number of messages from EL, all of them sent to Lavrynovych and Carpiuc, which showed him writing in formal Russian and far less proficient Ukrainian. But we were able to uncover EL's wider activities using open-source tools.

EL's ideology and goals were plain.

Messages from the EL account in various Telegram channels show him glorifying Putin and Russia, attacking the Ukrainian people and promoting Russian narratives.

"It is obvious that Putin is the leader of the white race," he posted in one chat.

EL posted in jobs groups for Ukrainians, asking for "painters to do graffiti" in London - but in other chat groups he used deeply offensive Russian terms for Ukrainian people.

EL incited attacks on conscription centres in Ukraine, which has been at war since Russia's full-scale invasion in 2022. He said that people there who are in favour of the "white Slavic race" should join the "real Third Rome", a reference to the belief that Russia is the successor to the Roman Empire.

"Work for the glory of the nation to spite your enemies," EL added, before offering $1,000 (£749) and Russian citizenship as a reward for arson attacks.

EL also gave hints about his identity, offering Russians in other Telegram groups access to documents from Nato and the CIA. "My father leaks part of it to me, it was not for nothing that he went to Europe," he said.

There was no mention in the trial of what the posters put up by Lavrynovych on EL's orders actually advertised: a purported far-right group called Direct Action UK.

The group sought to appear as an organic British creation. But we found that Direct Action was created online by Russian operatives to cause division among ordinary people in the UK.

Messages sent in the group bore a Moscow timestamp, used Cyrillic letters, and placed pound signs at the end of numbers, rather than at the start - as in Russian.

The accounts that were principally involved in running Direct Action, particularly EL's, were using other channels to promote Russian political goals and using Russian to communicate.

Direct Action first appeared online in autumn 2024, after the riots that followed the Southport murders, and its propaganda exploited images from the disorder.

ts social media channels, which the posters were advertising, featured videos branding Sir Keir a traitor, promoting hatred of Muslims and offering money for violence and arson, including attacks on mosques and police. Direct Action also lionised Tommy Robinson.

"This is war," the group declared.

But, although Direct Action was fake, it generated real-life attacks. In London, six mosques and an Islamic school were vandalised last year after the group offered payment for Islamophobic graffiti.

Slogans such as "remigration" and "Stop Islam" were spray-painted on mosques from Croydon in the south of the capital to Leyton in the east. Direct Action turned video clips of the vandalism into brash social media videos, to amplify hatred and create fear.

The morning after a mosque and primary school had been vandalised by a Direct Action attack in Leyton, EL posted an innocent-sounding ad in a chat group for Ukrainian people seeking work in London: "Part time job today! Leyton District. You need to take pictures of two buildings." He wanted images of the aftermath, so the vandalism could be publicised online.

Even Direct Action's apparent support on the ground was fake and only existed because it paid people to act. When Lavrynovych himself carried out actions for EL he did so for financial reasons, the court heard, not because he shared Direct Action's ideology.

Anti-racist organisation Hope Not Hate investigated Direct Action and reported its concerns to counter-terror police in February last year, months before the arson attacks relating to the prime minister. Hope Not Hate concluded that Russians were behind the group.

The anti-racist organisation told the authorities people behind the group may be grooming UK residents to launch a "terror attack against a mosque or identifiably Muslim target in the UK".

But no-one replied, says Nick Lowles, CEO of Hope Not Hate, which has since worked with the BBC to investigate Direct Action and the people behind it.

Tell Mama, a group which monitors anti-Muslim hate, also passed evidence to counter-terror police and concluded that Direct Action appeared to be a Russian operation. It received an acknowledgement but nothing more from police.

Iman Atta, Tell Mama's CEO, told us she believed such actions are not taken seriously by police, and it was worrying for Muslim communities to see a group offering cryptocurrency to vandalise mosques and create division.

"It's something that is happening online, but it's actually moving directly into criminal damage and criminal acts of violence and terrorism on our streets," she said.

The Met told the BBC it is investigating seven instances of criminal damage as anti-Muslim hate crimes. No arrests have been made and it is "keeping an open mind" whether offences are linked.

Before EL began running fake far-right groups, he helped to create a bogus Islamic organisation called the Takbir Foundation.

We discovered this because the username for EL's Telegram account previously bore the name of the fake foundation.

The foundation sought to recruit Muslims to spray-paint "sacred graffiti" in the UK. But its real goal was obvious: to inflame the far right with this vandalism. Telegram accounts that pretended to be those of devout Muslims later switched seamlessly to an aggressive anti-Islam agenda with Direct Action.

In a Telegram group for Muslims, another account called "El" posted that the "Takbir Foundation is dedicated to financially supporting jihad throughout England. O mujahideen, be courageous and extend your hand towards the coming caliphate."

The foundation offered up to £150 for graffiti in one location and said: "this is halal money to promote the word of Allah".

But, just as Direct Action would later pay people who were not really on the far-right, Takbir Foundation offered money to non-Muslims to spray Islamic graffiti.

We tracked down two Bristol graffiti artists who separately responded to an ad by a fake Facebook account with the name "Michael John" for "a paid opportunity with a generous budget", with no reference to Islam.

Both were asked to spray-paint the Islamic shahada - the declaration of faith - in Arabic on a defunct Debenhams in the city centre. One was also asked to spray a Quranic verse about the "devil's handiwork" on a Conservative Club in the city.

They were sent images of the buildings with precise areas highlighted showing where the graffiti was to be sprayed. This was the same approach as EL, who sent similar images of mosques when asking for them to be defaced with Islamophobic graffiti.

The artists were offered payment from the Takbir Foundation, but both refused the work, regarding the requests as illegal.

Another link between EL and the Takbir Foundation underlines how the handler and his fake groups sought to provoke and divide ordinary people.

EL had provided Roman Lavrynovych with an anti-Muslim poster, designed to appear like it had been written by a Hindu by referencing the 1992 destruction of an ancient Indian mosque by right-wing Hindu groups. "Every mosque closed = 100 fewer crimes," the poster said.

Lavrynovych was asked to put it up on a specific road in Southall, west London, which is home to a large mosque, Southall Central Masjid.

It is unclear if Lavrynovych carried out the task. However, we found the Takbir Foundation's Facebook account had posted a photo of the same poster - apparently on a brick wall - in a Muslim community group, claiming it had been plastered up in Southall. "Hate leaflets were found near Southall Central Masjid," the post said.

EL was sowing hatred on the UK's streets - and then his fake foundation was ensuring the message spread to the Muslim community online.

Another link between EL and the Takbir Foundation underlines how the handler and his fake groups sought to provoke and divide ordinary people.

EL had provided Roman Lavrynovych with an anti-Muslim poster, designed to appear like it had been written by a Hindu by referencing the 1992 destruction of an ancient Indian mosque by right-wing Hindu groups. "Every mosque closed = 100 fewer crimes," the poster said.

Lavrynovych was asked to put it up on a specific road in Southall, west London, which is home to a large mosque, Southall Central Masjid.

It is unclear if Lavrynovych carried out the task. However, we found the Takbir Foundation's Facebook account had posted a photo of the same poster - apparently on a brick wall - in a Muslim community group, claiming it had been plastered up in Southall. "Hate leaflets were found near Southall Central Masjid," the post said.

EL was sowing hatred on the UK's streets - and then his fake foundation was ensuring the message spread to the Muslim community online.

These attacks fit the pattern of a wave of Russian-backed sabotage which has hit Europe over the past five years, targeting Ukraine and its allies - from explosions on railway lines to firebombs on planes destined for the UK.

Russia recruits people as "proxies", offering payment to carry out acts of violence, sabotage, and espionage. There can be layers of proxies, making it easier for Russia to deny involvement. In Russia itself, several organisations run such operations, not all of them formally part of the government.

Ukrainians are frequently targeted for Russian sabotage recruitment across Europe. The National Police of Ukraine said that in one Russian network plotting sabotage in 11 countries, including the UK - which was recently uncovered in a joint operation with the EU - a third of participants were Ukrainians.

"It's easier for the Russians this way, because it discredits Ukraine in the eyes of our partners and European countries," said Vitaliy Sova, a senior investigator.

More often, however, it is age rather than nationality that attracts sabotage recruiters, he says. Approached on social media, young people are offered "easy money" for a low-level crime, often masked as innocent tasks, then blackmailed if they try to refuse further actions.

The US has long been a target of Russian hybrid warfare. In one example, it accused a state-controlled media organisation, Rybar, of seeking "to sow discord, promote social division, stoke partisan and racial discord, and encourage hate and violence". Rybar has also been sanctioned by the UK government, which said it uses "classic Kremlin manipulation tactics".

Rybar ran an online campaign called TEXASvsUSA which was designed to look like real activism in the run-up to the last US presidential election in 2024, exploiting the issue of undocumented immigrants crossing the US border.

Hope Not Hate identified the account on Telegram that had created the TEXASvsUSA channel, and found it had also created a series of five UK-focused channels, including one called Radio Southport, which appeared after the riots in summer 2024.

They all promoted a relentlessly bleak view of the UK and spread racist abuse about migrants and Muslims - the same blueprint as Direct Action.

In the Direct Action Telegram chat group, we identified a member of the Russian elite associated with the ministry of foreign affairs: Evgeny Lyukshin, whose initials "EL" match those of the handler who directed the attack on the UK prime minister.

We found Lyukshin again in a private chat for Radio Southport, the channel created by Rybar. He was also in another chat that glorified the Wagner Group, the Russia-controlled military organisation whose late founder Yevgeny Prigozhin previously funded Rybar.

A picture posted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs shows him standing behind Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko at a Diplomats' Day event in Moscow in February, where Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov gave a speech.

Another photo he posted on social media placed him in the car park of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Moscow, with another showing his pass for a Russian embassy. A further image showed him posing in a military outfit holding bullets.

Lyukshin, 23, is the son of a senior Russian diplomat, who previously served as counsellor at the embassy in Denmark.

This means Lyukshin's father was in Europe, potentially with access to and knowledge of sensitive documents. This accords with the Telegram post by EL which stated he had access to Nato and CIA documents because his father had been in Europe.

Lyukshin has been training at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations (MGIMO), a diplomatic academy controlled by the foreign ministry, where Rybar has a "media school".

In a Telegram group of MGIMO students, which Lyukshin was the administrator of, the BBC has found discussion about "conducting pro-Russian propaganda" as part of the course.

Among the public Telegram groups shared between students was Lyukshin's own "The Lost Britain" group, where he had posted in English calling for taxpayer money to be "diverted" to the NHS instead of being spent on "support for Ukraine".

We found an image, posted on Telegram by Rybar, showing Lyukshin in a group of "future diplomats" who had "trained using Rybar's manuals". His face had been blurred in the photo but we matched his distinctive hoodie to photos from social media showing him wearing the same top.

In the Rybar photo, Lyukshin was pictured with the organisation's director, Mikhail Zvinchuk, who has been sanctioned by the UK and is wanted by US law enforcement for the TEXASvsUS campaign. Zvinchuk is closely involved with President Putin and sits on "special working groups" for the Ukraine war created by the Russian president.

The Rybar course that Lyukshin studied on was part of an entire programme devoted to "information warfare", created two years at the direction of the Kremlin.

It is jointly run by Putin's presidential administration and Andrey Sushentsov, who is sanctioned by the European Union for his close association with Putin and involvement in policies that threaten democracy and security.

The programme is taught by spies and close Putin allies.

One is Andrey Bezrukov, who spent decades as a spy in the West, using the identity of a dead Canadian, before his arrest in an FBI operation in 2010. The lives of Bezrukov and his wife, who also used a stolen identity, partly inspired the TV show "The Americans".

Another tutor is Sergey Nalobin, widely accused of being a spy, who once worked at the Russian embassy in London.

Lyukshin was previously at the prestigious First Moscow Cadet Corps, and images of him in military uniform have been posted online by his family, including one described as being taken in the Kremlin.

We do not know for sure if Evgeny Lyukshin is EL. Lyukshin did not respond when we contacted him setting out the evidence that he is.

But he was in the fake far-right group created by Russian operatives to cause hatred in the UK, his details match EL, he is trained in information warfare, and surrounded by Putin allies.

We set out our evidence about the attacks targeting the prime minister to Ben Wallace, the Conservative former defence secretary and security minister, who was in office during the Salisbury nerve agent attack and the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

He says the evidence showed Russia conducting a "very deliberate and definite escalation against the British state".

Launching attacks on property linked to the UK prime minister was a change of policy that "would not have just come from a low-level individual, it would have come from the very top", he said.

Cdr Helen Flanagan, head of Counter Terrorism Policing London, said the aim of the attacks was clearly "to intimidate and create fear for the prime minister and to attack the UK". But she said police have not been able to prove the identity of EL or who he was working for, and that "we've got no evidence to suggest that this was a state-backed threat".

However, sources have told us that authorities in the UK and in Ukraine have privately concluded Russia was behind the arson attacks.

Hours after we contacted Lyukshin, mentioning that we knew he was a member of the Radio Southport Telegram channel, that channel vanished.

Four more channels also created by Rybar to stoke hatred in the UK disappeared with it, and the photo of Lyukshin with the deputy foreign minister was taken down by a Russian news site.