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Hilarious.
I used to work for NATS, the air traffic control company. All our control centres used to have 2 separate mains feeds coming from different sources and taking diverse routes into the buildings and around the buildings. We also had batteries so that the computers didn't drop out during a switchover of mains supplies.
The airlines would have rightly slaughtered us if we were so underprepared for a substation fire.
I used to work for NATS, the air traffic control company. All our control centres used to have 2 separate mains feeds coming from different sources and taking diverse routes into the buildings and around the buildings. We also had batteries so that the computers didn't drop out during a switchover of mains supplies.
The airlines would have rightly slaughtered us if we were so underprepared for a substation fire.
The power of diversity eh Nobs!
It is incredulous how this can happen. Heathrow is such an important national asset it should not be in private hands imho
I remember the days of booking holidays on the cheap. Not anymore. I get a package incorporating flights, hotels and transfers and obv’s a good insurance policy ( annual ).
Even European jaunts I have started booking the hotel through the airline or Eurostar and not booking.com or Airbnb to save a couple of shekels.
It is a nightmare. I don’t like airlines much but have every sympathy in this instance.
One thing they have not even mentioned is workers who have to clock in or zero hours workers, shop leaseholders, associated small businesses etc.
It is incredulous how this can happen. Heathrow is such an important national asset it should not be in private hands imho
I remember the days of booking holidays on the cheap. Not anymore. I get a package incorporating flights, hotels and transfers and obv’s a good insurance policy ( annual ).
Even European jaunts I have started booking the hotel through the airline or Eurostar and not booking.com or Airbnb to save a couple of shekels.
It is a nightmare. I don’t like airlines much but have every sympathy in this instance.
One thing they have not even mentioned is workers who have to clock in or zero hours workers, shop leaseholders, associated small businesses etc.
That was my first thought!
Started earns Putin…….. I’m scared says Putin
Started earns Putin…….. I’m scared says Putin
Even if it was Russia the utility supplies to all major UK airports and other vital assets should be designed to be diverse enough to withstand a little terrorism.
I didn’t think you was a supporter of diversity Nobs.
Are you now saying diversity might be a good thing?
Are you now saying diversity might be a good thing?
Are the Albanian football team already in England?
That’s a stretch
Incredible isn’t it. You have a point. It’s be plenty travelling around just for football this weekend. Can you imagine a rugby weekend in say Italy. The knock on effects may cause carnage too.
Incredible isn’t it. You have a point. It’s be plenty travelling around just for football this weekend. Can you imagine a rugby weekend in say Italy. The knock on effects may cause carnage too.
If you had write a book on how to turn a prosperous country into a fast imploding third world country them Britain would be your number one example.
Has anyone recieved their remit yet on how we can blame Trump for this or are the grifters still waking up?
NATS and other european ATC providers would never undertake system upgrades or updates on big footballing nights.
They'd also avoid easter, half terms, summer, & Christmas
They'd also avoid easter, half terms, summer, & Christmas
I tend to book my holidays when kids are at school.
Why have Terminals 4 and 5 shut?
are they served by the same substation? Seems dumb if they are.
are they served by the same substation? Seems dumb if they are.
Your right.Be more coming in in dinghys than through heathrow.what a pathetic state our country has become.
Well unfortunately since Brexit we have been protecting our own borders
Notable increase since the last GE, no one in the uni-party has the steel to end it.
That was my first thought!
Russians ? Did they fire a Missile
I dont recall Russians Attacking things up in the UK , Usually Gas and Umberellas used
Was 100 planes in the Air around Heathrow at one stage ,as Nob says how can this Happen ?
Russians ? Did they fire a Missile
I dont recall Russians Attacking things up in the UK , Usually Gas and Umberellas used
Was 100 planes in the Air around Heathrow at one stage ,as Nob says how can this Happen ?
The only way into the country is by dingy 
Pmsl
Pmsl
Russia doesn't need to fire missiles. They prefer hire (petty) criminals, locals and the like for their state sponsored terrorism amongst our midst. Like they did with the arson of a warehouse in London last year.
Though accidents of course happen. While Russia loves to blow up and sabotage our things and stir trouble, occasionally things just break or get damaged involuntarily.
Its the Big Bad Bear Again ?
Couldnt be one of Regular suffering from mental illness Types ?
Couldnt be one of Regular suffering from mental illness Types ?
If it was the the Big Bad Bear , might have something to do with Sir Twaddle of the Knee threatening to send thousands of our Troops to Ukraine Edy , what you think ?
If that is the case we could be in serious Trouble Edy ,I doubt The Big Bad bear will stop at one attack
If that is the case we could be in serious Trouble Edy ,I doubt The Big Bad bear will stop at one attack
Lets hope not,we dont want people summer holidays ruined
Of course Russia would not stop at one attack. As is visible by their continued attacks on our stuff for the better part of a decade now.
Anyone know where the Power supply for Downing Street and the HOC are ?
And suspicions exist that the Russia likes to motivate mental illness types btw.
Well there are plenty of them in the UK Edy , millions claiming Benefits that our great PM wants to curtail , it would not take much to get them onside TBH
Russia also pays reasonably ok for somewhat petty things like destroying cars from what I hear. Just join some telegram group for free thinking understanders of Russian aggression, write some nice posts about the great Führer or negative ones about Zelenskyy and you would hopefully be considered for a new job.
Though be aware that it makes you quisling. Very officially so.
I doubt it was Putin.
But now Russia knows major infrastructure assets in the UK have single points of failure I'm sure they will be exploring the possibilities.
But now Russia knows major infrastructure assets in the UK have single points of failure I'm sure they will be exploring the possibilities.
Q - How can the Department of Transport allow Heathrow to not have a resilient power supply?
A - The minister in charge has never worked in industry and was busy shagging his intern anyway.
A - The minister in charge has never worked in industry and was busy shagging his intern anyway.
The Back up system was recently changed to a Net zero Bio Mass Generator , The Diesal sytem was removed , A total disaster at the first time of Asking
When is this Madness going to End ,thankfully No planes were Lost
https://x.com/i/status/1903030156907647181
When is this Madness going to End ,thankfully No planes were Lost
https://x.com/i/status/1903030156907647181
Meanwhile, Reform UK MP Richard Tice blamed the breakdown on Heathrow’s decision to replace its diesel generators with a biomass-powered system in a bid to meet environmental targets.
Speaking on GB News, Tice said, “Critical infrastructure like that obviously needs a backup and I can exclusively reveal to you this morning that Heathrow changed its backup systems to be net zero compliant. It got rid of their diesel generators and moved to a biomass generator which was designed not to completely replace the grid, but work alongside the grid.”
He added, “Their net zero compliant backup system has completely failed in its core function at the first time of asking. It beggar’s belief.”
Unreal , if this is true serious questions need to be asked about what is going on that this could be allowed to happen
Speaking on GB News, Tice said, “Critical infrastructure like that obviously needs a backup and I can exclusively reveal to you this morning that Heathrow changed its backup systems to be net zero compliant. It got rid of their diesel generators and moved to a biomass generator which was designed not to completely replace the grid, but work alongside the grid.”
He added, “Their net zero compliant backup system has completely failed in its core function at the first time of asking. It beggar’s belief.”
Unreal , if this is true serious questions need to be asked about what is going on that this could be allowed to happen
Embarrassing.
Starmer is completely blindsided by shifting world focus yet, in Parliament, is roared on to his doom.
Nice guy though.
Starmer is completely blindsided by shifting world focus yet, in Parliament, is roared on to his doom.
Nice guy though.
Only a nice guy would let another bloke buy his wife’s clothes.
Shame he is **** at politics.
14 years though….. (and don’t mention what happened in the years before that).
Shame he is **** at politics.
14 years though….. (and don’t mention what happened in the years before that).
The truth is this type of thing could end in Disater , bro in Law lives two miles from LHX , said the amount of planes holding was unreal at one stage
A source from the airport says back-up generators did spring into action, but they weren't enough to power the whole airport - an air industry boss says it leaves "serious questions"
No mention of NET ZERO from the Nations favourite news Source
No mention of NET ZERO from the Nations favourite news Source
People were talking about it this morning, back up was definitely switched to nut zero. Which is why it failed, obs.
And then
On backup supplies, which have been questioned today, he says Heathrow has three substations with a back-up transformer, but one of these was also broken.
we are getting there Perhaps Next week after aunty verifies everything ? we might know the Truth
On backup supplies, which have been questioned today, he says Heathrow has three substations with a back-up transformer, but one of these was also broken.
we are getting there Perhaps Next week after aunty verifies everything ? we might know the Truth
All the legacy broadcast media will assist in the cover up, the legacy broadcasters and the nuts in Labour and Tories. Possibly one of the papers will run with it
Perhaps the Russians Hacked the Nut Zero system , Edy should be on shortly with an Update ?
Are we sure backup solutions at airports, be it diesel or woodship burning, are otherwise designed to provide enough power to run an entire airport to function normally?
I have some doubts....
I have some doubts....
Especially if we are talking about managing to survive more than minimal power outages for a very short time.
should an airport be able to function in a power cut.
what do you think ?
what do you think ?
not talking about buying your pick n mix, toblerone or pint of Grolsch. but still have planes land and take off
It should be able to survive short outages for sure. It should also be able to keep lights on for e.g. planes to be able to land.
I was merely wondering if planning at airports really normally provides for a scenario where power is completely cut and diesel generators or woodchip burners have to provide enough power for a long time to run the entire friggin' airport. That's a lot of generators and a lot of fuel for something that....happens once a century?
I was merely wondering if planning at airports really normally provides for a scenario where power is completely cut and diesel generators or woodchip burners have to provide enough power for a long time to run the entire friggin' airport. That's a lot of generators and a lot of fuel for something that....happens once a century?
To quote The Daily Telegraph:
In its net zero plan, published in 2022, Heathrow said: “Stand-by generators currently operate using diesel as they need an independent power source to maintain resilient operations. They are used predominantly as back-up power for airfield ground lighting.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/21/fire-rages-electrical-substation-hayes/
So...yeah....are we absolutely certain that airports usually have the large diesel capacities for long-time complete function, or near complete function, or are we just playing ideological bad faith stuff here because we don't like net zero?
In its net zero plan, published in 2022, Heathrow said: “Stand-by generators currently operate using diesel as they need an independent power source to maintain resilient operations. They are used predominantly as back-up power for airfield ground lighting.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/21/fire-rages-electrical-substation-hayes/
So...yeah....are we absolutely certain that airports usually have the large diesel capacities for long-time complete function, or near complete function, or are we just playing ideological bad faith stuff here because we don't like net zero?
obviously yes. have you seen the docu series Chernobyl? if nuclear power stations suffer a power cut, they still need to operate basic functions or else there's nuclear meltdown. critical infrastructure needs to be able to maintain basic operation in a crisis.
A nuclear power station that runs danger of contaminating the entire area for decades to come is a bit of a difference here.
critical infrastructure needs to be able to maintain basic operation in a crisis.
...Like lights.....
...Like lights.....
it can be done, and is done. power cuts aren't new. I have never heard of a major airport completely shutting down due a local power cut. like ever, in 40 years
...but is that because all the airports have massive generator capacities, of course fueled with diesel instead of woodchips, or because they were able to e.g. reroute electricity as they were better connected to the national grid?
I would assume back up is tailored to the local infrastructure. The clue is in the name, they were claiming this morning that the back up was affected by the fire. Which is BS.
Backup can be many things. I can feel good about installing a battery in my Raspberry Pi to spare it from short outages of power. It will make my Pi survive the vast majority of cases. It will not have my Pi survive a day without electricity from the plug.
Do I nonetheless have a solution that I can rightly call a backup power plan? Absolutely I can.
I quoted from the Daily Telegraph above, which in turn quoted from some guideline on what the then current diesel generators provided for. That says they are predominantly there for ground lighting. Maybe in the next days we will find out if the diesel generators of old would have been able to keep this really big airport running somewhat normally or if we are just playing silly ideological games here regarding the backup system now burning wood instead of diesel.
Do I nonetheless have a solution that I can rightly call a backup power plan? Absolutely I can.
I quoted from the Daily Telegraph above, which in turn quoted from some guideline on what the then current diesel generators provided for. That says they are predominantly there for ground lighting. Maybe in the next days we will find out if the diesel generators of old would have been able to keep this really big airport running somewhat normally or if we are just playing silly ideological games here regarding the backup system now burning wood instead of diesel.
I'm pretty sure whatever turns out to be the case, most people who now go on about the backup generators being super bad net zero don't really know either as of now and are indeed just out to play little ideological games from a base of very little actual knowledge.
From hard working independent and trustworthy journalists of the non-legacy media.
It will be shut down, just like anything that goes against the new religion.
What is being shut down due to going against the new religion that you feel should not be shut down?
Other than the upcoming cover up regarding the diesel generators at Heathrow.
These days/nights you can't have a decent slash in a shop doorway without a battery of cameras up your ass.
Hard to believe any unauthorised presence around this vital piece of kit could go undetected.
Hard to believe any unauthorised presence around this vital piece of kit could go undetected.
It would appear you are wrong there.
Last weekend there were rivers of Geordie pish enveloping the streets of London like torrents.
Last weekend there were rivers of Geordie pish enveloping the streets of London like torrents.
Cider 21 Mar 25 18:17
All the legacy broadcast media will assist in the cover up, the legacy broadcasters and the nuts in Labour and Tories. Possibly one of the papers will run with it
Have you a new allegiance cider?
https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/other/sky-news-and-the-guardian-are-mocked-mercilessly/ar-AA1Boggp
Some of the Guardian subsribers on here might have choked on their soy lattes at the time.
Can just imagine them wandering around trying to find the nearest needle to make them feel safe again.
Some of the Guardian subsribers on here might have choked on their soy lattes at the time.
Can just imagine them wandering around trying to find the nearest needle to make them feel safe again.
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