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Spain protesting this weekend against the surge in tourism that is being blamed for plummeting living standards among the local population.
unprecedented numbers of visitors pricing locals out of the housing market, they are also using up public spaces, public services and natural resources.
Pere started his activism five years ago as part of Greta Thunberg’s climate movement, but his focus has shifted to the cost of living for his fellow islanders.
“Businesses are changing from one's selling traditional products to multi-nationals selling ice cream and we are losing our identity. We want to preserve our culture," he says.
...........now then where have I seen that statement before ?
unprecedented numbers of visitors pricing locals out of the housing market, they are also using up public spaces, public services and natural resources.
Pere started his activism five years ago as part of Greta Thunberg’s climate movement, but his focus has shifted to the cost of living for his fellow islanders.
“Businesses are changing from one's selling traditional products to multi-nationals selling ice cream and we are losing our identity. We want to preserve our culture," he says.
...........now then where have I seen that statement before ?
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By edy on 19 Oct 20 15:55 Though of course not everything that comes from the outside and significantly influences a country's culture is abysmal like Christianity.Like beer. Beer is awesome. Can you imagine if people had been all "THIS IS OUR CULTURE! WE NEED TO PRESERVE" |
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This year it feels like something has changed. The anger among many locals is reaching a new level - notably demonstrated in Barcelona recently when visitors were drenched with water pistols.
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“Businesses are changing from one's selling traditional products to multi-nationals selling ice cream and we are losing our identity. We want to preserve our culture," he says.
Capitalism baby |
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Do you see yourself as part of the problem, irishone?
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Indeed United Biscuits but miniscule in comparison to the drugged up binge drinking Brits you see down the beach
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Spain is a sh!thole.
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cant be too bad nobby, womens football world champions, euros winners in the mens....all right at football ennit
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Do these morons think that curtailing tourism will improve their living standards?
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"morons"
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Has importing millions here, paying many of their expenses, improved our living standards? At least tourists pour
their own money into the local economy and then bugger off home. |
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I don’t get it myself
Take Benidorm step less than mile away from Crazy brits on strip Go to other beach your think your in another region of Spain Even in old town Might see old piss heads but I can sure you there be heading for strip Where euro or two cheaper to drink eating wise More or less at end of the day they get there county back come winter We won’t or county is proper **** |
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And **** selling us
Crezcampo £6 pint ffs It’s nice but not long ago 30p tin out there |
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Thought it would be all the Brits fault according to oirish
The only people I know who go to Spain are either boorish proletariat lower class or criminals. You get what you build. The place should understand its own history and learn from it, the whole country fell inside 4 years in the 8thC due to locals opening the gates to outsiders, and they didn’t get it back for hundreds of years. Who in this day and age are going to go to the lengths of Isabella and drive out the foreigners this time? |
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It's the same story as happens here in Cornwall and the Lake District.
It's the age old problem of trying to put a leash on capitalism. Everyone cheers at the tourism it brings, the money people spend there. But capitalism doesn't respect boundaries. Capitalism demands minimum wage workers even if it has to import them from elsewhere instead of locals, it destroys local less-powerful competitors and the wealthy dominate the weak and buy up all the property for their hols and for airbnb profits at other times, driving up prices for local kids trying to get on the ladder. Suddenly the same people cheering for capitalism thirty years ago are wondering why it's turned on them. |
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Thought it would be all the Brits fault
Only in the mind of tick box Paddy. |
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The only people I know with a home in Majorca are quite wealthy champagne socialist Guardian fanatics, go figure.
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There are far more people living in London that weren't born there compared to Cornwall or the Lake District.
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I’d have wild stab there more
Germans in Majorca than brits There more in newham than Cornwall and lakes ten times over |
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& tourists. not sure what system prevents people living in, or visiting areas they weren't born in. perhaps pineapple can enlighten us.
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Between the last two censuses (held in 2011 and 2021), the population of Cornwall increased by 7.1%, from just under 532,300 in 2011 to around 570,300 in 2021.
The population here increased by a smaller percentage than the overall population of the South West (7.8%), but at a higher rate to the overall population of England (up 6.6% since the 2011 Census). |
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& tourists. not sure what system prevents people living in, or visiting areas they weren't born in. perhaps pineapple can enlighten us.
Eh? I'm simply pointing out what has been and is happening. Tourism is great until there are some negative consequences. We all want the good bits. We all want the money. But then Airbnb comes along and those with cash are hoovering up flats to rent out and venture capitalists are forcing small local businesses out of the market, and all of a sudden those benefitting from tourism are fewer and fewer, and often not local at all. Meanwhile, those left there are scratching their heads and wondering where there promised riches evaporated to. |
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you're blaming capitalism. so I'm asking what alternative system you're proposing that would prevent people going on holiday or moving to desirable areas to live ?
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And, yeah, London is the same thing. But always been that way so it's accepted more easily. But I was pointing out that Spain et al are experiencing what our tourist spots have also been having. The capital has the best paid jobs and so is a huge magnet. You get the talent drain from the north and from small towns where your masters degree can only take you so far. But down there the streets are paved with gold. Come to London and live in this 7 sq m flat for £50k!
It's called unfettered capitalism where no one bothered to regulate the market, believing the bull that the market always finds its natura level and maybe they can be the ones to tame the beast so that it works in harmony with their society. One day humans may learn. |
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and donny - that Cornwall population increase is all from older people. Nearly all groups of younger people have decreased. It's simply wealthy retirees moving out there for the good life. All brilliant for the local economy and everything - until they realise local young people are increasingly priced out and are moving away for a better life.
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I'm blaming unfettered capitalism.
My alternative is simply much more heavily restricted capitalism where the needs of the community are balanced against the desires of the market. |
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mass immigration is not leaving it to the market, it's the complete opposite. which is why the country is now fecked.
heavily restricted capitalism where the needs of the community are balanced against the desires of the market. you need to define that in practice. when i finish up 'working' I'll have the means to live anywhere in the country. so if i wanted to live in Cornwall, how would your system prevent that? |
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I do fancy living near the coast, so it's not impossible either! but that could change over the next decade.
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and donny - that Cornwall population increase is all from older people. Nearly all groups of younger people have decreased. It's simply wealthy retirees moving out there for the good life. All brilliant for the local economy and everything - until they realise local young people are increasingly priced out and are moving away for a better life.
Pretty much how I saw it too. There are a few places in north East where people retire to. This causes havoc amongst locals, and forces unwelcome moves when setting up. Helping drive youth exodus to bigger towns and cities... |
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I don't need to define anything. It's a betting forum and I'm just passing some time before taking the dog to the vet.
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We're starting to think about retiring in Italy in a few years. I keep keeping an eye on those €1 homes in the ghost towns where they're actively trying to replenish the population. Would surely be a good project for a few years before my knees go.
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you need to if your argument has any credibility. you don't literally need to.
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jesus. I'll survive I suppose.
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We're starting to think about retiring in Italy in a few years. I keep keeping an eye on those €1 homes in the ghost towns where they're actively trying to replenish the population. Would surely be a good project for a few years before my knees go.
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Italy?
It's okay for a week. Two weeks at a push. |
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FATS
My missus in Benidorm pub asks for Pink Gin and Tonic Girl behind the bar set up two glasses on the counter and started pouring Mrs said I only want one love ....she says its "Buy one get one free , 4 euros" |
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Benidorm
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Used to drink pink gin at golf club.
Angostura bitters, in a gin and tonic. 3 pinkas please. It's poisonous, innit?, ah well never did us any harm. |
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"Buy one get one free , 4 euros"
The unfettered capitalism of Benidorm is completely out of control |
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you can get bottles of it over here for ten euros in lidl or aldi
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