Why Are the mainstream media and loony lefties so scared of Farage and Reform

Who are your top10 favourite constant wacist wacist wacist screamers whose delicious salty tears the two of us shall bath in come July 5th?

so any vote for reform is considered wacist ?

Because, man, will the loony lefties be shedding bitter tears on that day and be owned so good.

Why is it always raining in Germany, edy? Every time I look at the footy it's pouring down.

Got to be honest. Toying with Cider and just seeing the way he jumps to their defence every single time is just too amusing to pass up. I'll try to do better.

It's not always raining in all of Germany. It's only always raining in Hamburg. The other places have just been unlucky these Euros.

The past few weeks there were grass court tennis tournaments in Bad Homburg and Berlin. Were able to complete them on the correct day and without having to go indoors even though grass tennis, unlike especially clay tennis, tolerates near to no salty liberal tears.

That must be a relief for a tennis lover like you. Hamburg sounds terrible a bit like Manchester, perhaps you could hand it back to the Danes.

The Hamburgers chose to built a roof over their tennis court instead of ceding control to another nation.

We Germans are inventive problem solvers like that.

I am not joking though when I tell you that some regions somewhat glorify Danes (and especially Swedes) for their past roles in their towns and region. E.g. parts of Pommerania and Mecklenburg think back very fondly of Swedish rule because the Swedes (with a decently sized crowd of Scottish mercenaries) helped them defeat the nasty Kaiser and his good called Wallenstein that tried to kill all the Pommeranians.

*goon called Wallenstein

Pomeranians are just little dogs, the Scottish mercenaries should
be ashamed

Which Kaiser was that? I'm not up to speed with those events but know that the Swedes rather fancied themselves in battle until they did a census and discovered that they were a bit outnumbered by their neighbours.

I suspect the average Brit doesn't have a clue where Pomerania is.

Pommerania is the very north east of current Germany and Poland's north. This is all the 30 year war. The relevant Kaiser is Ferdinand II. of the Holy Roman Empire who tried to get the protestant Hanse towns of the north under his control. Most famous is the goon Wallenstein besieging the rich Hanse town of Stralsund after the Stralsundians declined to submit to the kaiserian troops and rule. Stralsund asked the Danes and Swedes for help, which was delivered and Wallenstein chose to withdraw eventually.

Following the 30 year war Sweden ruled over parts of Pommerania until it eventually became part of Prussia. As a Pommeranian I know that the time of Swedish intervention and then Swedish rule is generally looked at very fondly.

Short summary, but with the additional given information it should now be possible to find a less brief summary for anyone interested.

https://www.wismar-stralsund.de/en/world_heritage/history/swedish_period/

Here are administrations of Wismar and Stralsund telling a bit about it on their united Unesco World Heritage website.

Thanks edy, that situates it on the timeline for me, early 17th Century.

A lot of the so called racist dog whistles are not even audible to dogs, they are only audible to loony lefties.

That's right Ronnie, Reform voters like us won't be changing our minds so it makes no difference.

Genuine Q:

Is there anything Farage or your local Reform candidate could say over the next few days that would make you consider your vote or will you just vote for them no matter what?

Jul 1, 2024 -- 10:21AM, Ronaldmcdonald wrote:

A lot of the so called racist dog whistles are not even audible to dogs, they are only audible to loony lefties.

So Rishi Sunak is a member of the loony left is he for calling out Reforms racism?

Why would the dog whistles not be audible to dogs if they are produced by a human? According to the Guinness Book of World Records, the highest note ever whistled by a human had 10,599 Hz. The higher end of the hearing range of dogs is typically in the 40k Hz.

What is the basis for your claim, Ronnie?

Yes. quite a lot. He could start talking like Ed Miliband or expressing support for all the other labour party ****, I would withdraw my support in an instant. He won't though.

ok, understood

Gonna be a long 5 years...

Got to be honest. Toying with Cider and just seeing the way he jumps to their defence every single time is just too amusing to pass up. I'll try to do better.


Nah, you're doing a great impression of someone you would call a gammon. Keep it up

PorcupineorPineapple • June 30, 2024 3:43 PM BST
Just seen the vid of the Led By Donkeys poster being lowered down.

Farage's response? Demanding that someone gets the sack.

He's just the absolute worst grass isn't he. Every little affront and he wants someone's head on the block. Imagine working alongside someone like that. God it must be horrible.


You got me there tbf, I thought you were being yourself and getting all triggered about something completely trivial.

I was "triggered" by his automatic response of demanding someone get the sack. Just think that's pretty lowly behaviour if I'm honest. He's a well-known and divisive politician on a stage. People are going to try to make fun and pull stunts. Most people would accept that as part of their chosen vocation and not look to harm's someone's livelihood. Reckon it says a lot about his character.

You were claiming (bizarrely) that you were just toying with me. Doesn't seem so there. You (and others) are obviously triggered by ruk.

The OP is correct in their inference. There is an obvious incompatibility between the amount of negativity and noise ruk and Farage triggers in people on here compared to how successful they expect they will be in this election.

You just jump in front of their bullets so quickly and so readily that I just find myself drawn. Will be over soon though and we can all go back to other stuff.

That thread is obviously a pro Reform one and is now almost 700 posts. Much of which are from people who aren't voting for Reform, but triggered by them.

What share of the vote are you expecting ruk to achieve, and how many seats ?

Rough guess - 17% and 4 seats. But I've gotten a bit bored of trying to study it and moved back to footy so don't go betting your mortgage on that please.

Too low imo. The silent majority of real people should sit closer to 25%.

Though I might overestimate it because the silent majority tends to be louder than the loud minority.

Jul 1, 2024 -- 11:29AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Jul 1, 2024 -- 10:21AM, Ronaldmcdonald wrote:A lot of the so called racist dog whistles are not even audible to dogs, they are only audible to loony lefties.So Rishi Sunak is a member of the loony left is he for calling out Reforms racism?

Sunak implemented furlough pay and let thousands of illegals in. Both are loony leftie policies.

Have you decided who you will be voting for, Ronald?

Sunak is also keen on mimicking looney left EU energy policy and would waste billions every year trying to achieve the unachievable given the chance.

He is into small modular reactors?

Jul 1, 2024 -- 1:44PM, Ronaldmcdonald wrote:

Jul 1, 2024 -- 11:29AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:Jul 1, 2024 -- 10:21AM, Ronaldmcdonald wrote:A lot of the so called racist dog whistles are not even audible to dogs, they are only audible to loony lefties.So Rishi Sunak is a member of the loony left is he for calling out Reforms racism?Sunak implemented furlough pay and let thousands of illegals in. Both are loony leftie policies.

Then you I'm afraid are camping out on the edge of reality!

Rough guess - 17% and 4 seats. But I've gotten a bit bored of trying to study it and moved back to footy so don't go betting your mortgage on that please.


Purely from a betting perspective, it doesn't make sense. As you probably know I thought that ruk had a shot of winning the h2h vs Tories. Now I think they will. I get why the market is moving because of the coordinated attack over the last week or so, and obviously the climb in the opinion polls stabilising. However, I believe the wider market misunderstands the impact. Utterly disenchanted tories vs motivated reformers. We shall see.

You are camping on the edge of reality if you go by what people say instead of what they do.

This election's all about the protest vote. Some tories have gone one way, some have gone another. And some more will stay loyal. Question is all just about degrees.

I've dined on it for 20 years Ronald!

Opinion polls are what they are, and they are obviously informative. But aren't the whole picture. If the Brexit reffy had happened now, they would still call it 'wrong'. For me it's not whether polls are right or wrong, it's whether the conditions are conducive to them being able to produce snapshots that will accurately reflect the actual outcome. 

The opinion polls remain very inconsistent anyway.

In 2019 a lot of people thought they were underplaying Labour. Perhaps aligned with what they wanted to happen, which PP has alluded to before, is a risk.


I put myself in the place of a Tory voter. That is a very very difficult place to be right now. Literally holding your nose type stuff. Are you going to be motivated to do that when you live in a dead seat anyway. Certainly not by the leader. Never mind that the party on the wider scale doesn't deserve it. Among all the threats, the stay at home one is huge for them. Especially in seats that are effectively gone already. Reformers' motivation is completely different, they just want their vote counted, knowing in many cases it's not about the seat but is about having their voice heard (in a small way).

It’s obviously not just the left that worries about Reform.
It’s the centre, centre left and centre right.
And they should be, given Farage’s  repeated support for the twins of evil - Putin and Trump.

Because they fear the Tory protest bandwaggon will choose that as the most effective form of their disapproval , followed by not voting as second choice .

I think i remember farage saying he admired Putin as a leader I cant remember him saying he supported Putin

Can you remind me of the evidence cry?

It's the BBC that scares me the most - will they ever learn? Latest propaganda this morning from outside a food bank asking voters their priorities. Usual stuff - NHS, economy, free dentists, childcare, mental health, bus timetables. Reeled off at least 10 priorities with no mention of the word "immigration" - yet check online and it's constantly in the top three in every independent survey. Reminds me of pre-brexit, when they would pit one poor brexiteering soul on Question Time against a snarling gang of 5 remainers. Look what happened there. People talk about the silent majority - more accurate to call it the silenced majority. My bets are already placed but 4/1 over 20% for the Reform share seems massive value to me.

That's actually untrue

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/trackers/the-most-important-issues-facing-the-country?crossBreak=labour

Check this as an example. If you set it to Labour voters (and Labour are going to have many more voters than any of the other parties), then only 16% say immigration is the priority. Higher than that are: Health; the economy; education; housing; the environment; and Britain leaving the EU. If you think immigration is the real priority for the vast majority of people, then I trust you're laying Labour to win.


Don't be gaslit into thinking everyone has the same priorities as your social media feed, or that regular media is lying to you. Always check first. There are whole load of people - regular people who don't really care about politics, who aren't glued to facebook and youtube, and who only bother voting every five years - who are simply fed up of hearing the usual faces wang on about small boats and immigration and borders and all this other future tense stuff that they are always promising and promising and promising to fix. Those people are actually much more concerned about the state of the NHS, the schools with holes in the ceilings and not enough teachers, the explosion of foodbanks, the fact that everything is more expensive now and the desperate hope for an interest rate drop to help them get by each month. Those are the people voting on Thursday. They've had enough.

So what you are saying is that the mainstream media is only interviewing labour voters? If you remove the filter for Labour voters to allow all voters, the priority figures for immigration is in the top 3 (40%)

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/trackers/the-most-important-issues-facing-the-country

It's dangerous to believe that the country has suddenly leaned to the left and become aligned to labour values. In my opinion, the switch of votes to labour is due almost entirely to the failure of the conservatives.

Both main parties fear Reform. They know Reform represents the views of an awful lot of people.
Despite this, the two party system is so entrenched in the UK that the odds are stacked against any new party emerging as a real force.
But the only way to restore democracy is to vote Reform. And real democracy is what the establishment fear.

Labour or Tories, what's the difference these days?

No, I'm saying there's an extremely good chance the interviewees were labour voters, and therefore thought the economy, the NHS, schools et al are more important than immigration. Therefore it's no conspiracy from the beeb so no need to play the victim. And those figures don't lie - the vast majority of people voting for Labour in a couple of days see immigration as a minor issue compared to the tory and reform minority.

doc - how would you restore democracy? Obviously, Labour are probably going to win big and get a huge majority. Reform will get their voters and have a handful of MP's. What is the anti-democratic crime going on and how would you fix it?

Dr Crippen02 Jul 24 10:51Joined: 16 Apr 02 | Topic/replies: 55,975 | Blogger: Dr Crippen's blog
Both main parties fear Reform. They know Reform represents the views of awful people.

They know Reform represents the views of an awful lot of people.

yes maybe 15-20% of the population have the issue of immigration living in their heads rent-free. high-school dropouts with low self-esteem - vulnerable to believing conspiracy theories. there are a lot of them

If you dont believe immigration is an issue then either you have your head in the sand or have fallen for the media propaganda. 685k last year - higher than the population of Bristol. Is it not logical to think of how many hospital beds, GP appointments, police, school places, foodbanks etc are required to accommodate such a number? The conservatives recognised this back in 2019 - their manifesto pledging 40 new hospitals to keep up with expected demand. It was never an achievable target and they failed miserably. Labour will struggle just as badly. People see it whilst queing for an NHS appointment, housing, full classrooms, police that dont have the resources to attend minor crimes etc etc..

Many see the problem as a simply a lack of funding - but it's pointless throwing money at all these problems whilst refusing to deal with the underlying causes

Britain has an ageing population and a birth rate of 1.56 per woman, so we need immigrant labour.  How much immigrant labour is the question and yes it can't be uncontrolled.

Spain has a birth rate of 1.19 per woman

They better address this quickly and incentivise their senoritas or they are in a heap of trouble down the line.

I agree Cardinal - we do need immigration. The discussions we need to have is about is what level is sustainable, and how we can fund public services to accommodate those levels

The biggest enemy to democracy is the concept of the wasted vote. Or even worse, the tories vote for x is a vote for y.  Pushing either of these ideas helps to maintain the two party duopoly. When enough people see through this, then we get closer to democracy.

maybe the immigrants are doing the jobs people in clacton don't want to do?

the vast majority of people voting for Labour in a couple of days see immigration as a minor issue compared to the tory and reform minority.

Absolutely, that kind of delusional inability to join the dots, to reach the glaringly obvious conclusion that the issues they prioritise might actually be downstream from immigration is much of the problem...



“Consider just one of many mind-boggling statistics.

Over the last five years, about two million people from outside Europe arrived in Britain through net migration. But how many do you think came for work?

Just  15 per cent. That’s right. 15 per cent.

The rest entered Britain as the relatives of workers, international students, the relatives of these students, or as asylum-seekers and refugees.

But surely those workers have gone into the most highly-skilled, highly-paid jobs where they are earning more than their British counterparts, right?

Nope. Based on what limited data there is, we now know this is not the case at all.

Many of the rapidly rising number of immigrants who are coming to Britain from outside of Europe actually earn less than established British workers —including those who have been here for the best part of a decade.”


https://thecritic.co.uk/the-big-tory-lie/


www.neilobrien.co.uk/p/new-data-on-low-wage-migration


As alluded to in both articles, a methodological minefield subject to FOI requests (can’t think why)…



A couple of in depth articles that look at the economic impact of a similar population influx across Europe and the US…


www.economist.com/europe/2021/12/18/why-have-danes-turned-against-immigration


www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/fiscal-impact-of-immigrants-by-country

Reform represents the views of a lot of awful people.

Data shows that the majority of immigrants vote labour. Hardly surprising that they don't see immigration as their top priority

Polls on this stuff are always skewed, people who don't pay much tax and feed off the teat of the state don't mind taxes going up for some reason (for other people).

It shows how dim so many liberalists are. They welcomed untrammelled immigration but are the first to moan that their kids can't get on the housing ladder. Dot to dots are not their forte.

Cider do you still dislike human beings, I remember you declaring this on here years ago.

I Don't Like People

^He doesn't like you.

Jul 2, 2024 -- 1:46PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

^He doesn't like you.

I should not want to be liked by a joyless, humourless misanthropist like Cider

or a

joyless, humourless misanthropist who is a Putin apologist like you Crippen.

I don't think I like you either, Snott.

Oh so original, I am bowled over by your Wildean wit

Keep Enjoying Those Brexit Benefits!

Oh so original, I am bowled over by your Wildean wit

Please yourself.

That's an original 'go to' Cardinal Scott, attack the player and not the ball. How refreshing.

Dr Crippen02 Jul 24 14:12Joined: 16 Apr 02 | Topic/replies: 55,980 | Blogger: Dr Crippen's blog
I don't think

maybe 15-20% of the population have the issue of immigration living in their heads rent-free. high-school dropouts with low self-esteem

I'm all right Jack leftie sneering at the demographic Labour were formed to defend and no longer do.

To address the OP, I don't see any, or certainly not many, lefties being scared of Farage and Reform. It's the soon to be routed Tories who are for obvious reasons.