Why won't Angela Rayner disclosure the Capital Gains Tax Computation...

For me the chances that she didn't know she was on shaky ground are 999/1. She probably thought, (or was told) she could get away with it.

Such a bizarre view really, I doubt many of those parent's (sic), have so much access to property that they have to create a trust fund to avoid taxes.

Dotchinite - if it was the Tory Deputy PM or Housing Minister in this pickle then Ms Rayner along with her Labour colleagues would be shouting for them to resign.


What's good for the goose etc etc

yes but they wouldn't!

Such a bizarre view really, I doubt many of those parent's (sic), have so much access to property that they have to create a trust fund to avoid taxes

Oh dear. You don''t know do you?

The child is so disabled that he/she was awarded substantial damages and the trust is a pretty standard arrangement set up by the courts to stop parents spending the damages on themselves.

It's not a tax avoidance scheme.

Yes but if for example the Tory housing minister was an ex business type it would be clear that he understood the rules and knew he was doing wrong. I well believe Rayner didnt know what the laws were given that she appears to be barely literate. Give her the benefit of the doubt and some better advisors.

I'm presuming you're on the wind up Dotchinite ?

You are basically saying that the Labour Housing Minister should not need to be aware of rules governing the housing market whereas the Tory one should !

I know that there is plenty of "two tiering" with this Labour administration but surely it should not be extended to the competency required of Cabinet Ministers.
And Ms Rayner is certainly not "barely literate" imo, but if she is as you describe then she has no business being anywhere near such an important Cabinet role.

Oh dear. You don''t know do you?

The child is so disabled that he/she was awarded substantial damages and the trust is a pretty standard arrangement set up by the courts to stop parents spending the damages on themselves.

It's not a tax avoidance scheme.

That doesn't explain why the property is in the trust.

Why would someone purchase a property on the south coast when they have a free luxury apartment in the most desirable part of London, and also have work up north where their disabled child also lives? It makes no sense at all, especially on her salary.

Is her son Aware of Ange investing his dosh in seaside properties ?

or does she have POA over the Fund ?

She's fukked anyway, it would be better for anyone who doesn't abide this government for her to stick around in her multiple portfolios.

Im not saying that at all Dixie. Im saying if she was someone with a long career in business I wouldnt believe she didnt know the rules but given her obvious limitations id give her the benefit of the doubt. Whether soneone so limited should be in Govt is another issue but looking at both the Cabinet and the opposition its hard to find even one moderately impressive figure.

The comp was to pay for her sons Care , how can she possibly be investing that Money in property , Insanity

How can that possibly be Legal ? What if ,its a Big if there was a Crash in the property market , the sons Money lost

What happens then , i have never heard the like

I remind you Starmer has backed this women to the Hilt

Peterborough's Labour Council leader Dennis Jones Sounds a nice man ,Shocking if what he said is true

What an outfit this mob are

Shocking if what he has been accused of saying is true


there is not a day Goes By  , This Party is an Utter Disaster

A long career in business would be unlikely to give you any more knowledge of SDLT. A Conveyancer or Estate Agent might but why should somebody who had a previous career say in Hedge Funds, Insurance etc have knowledge of it ?


The current crop of politicians are the worst in living memory and that's saying something !

Lest we forget

Jenrick’s decision on Desmond-backed development overturned
19 NOVEMBER 2021 BY JONATHAN KNOTT
The government has overturned its previous decision to grant planning permission for a controversial scheme backed by the Conservative party donor Richard Desmond to build 1,524 homes in Tower Hamlets.

Tower Hamlets LBC had originally refused permission for the site of the former Westferry Printworks on the Isle of Dogs, and following an appeal, the planning inspector then advised the then communities secretary Robert Jenrick not to grant permission.

Despite this, Mr Jenrick granted permission in January 2020. It later emerged that the communities secretary had sat next to Mr Desmond at a fundraising dinner a few months previously, and that Mr Desmond made a £12,000 donation to the Conservatives weeks after the approval.

Tower Hamlets challenged the decision, but this was quashed by the High Court in May last year. However, the government has since reviewed the matter again, and housing minister Eddie Hughes yesterday overturned the previous decision on behalf of the communities secretary.

That doesn't explain why the property is in the trust.

Try reading Rayner's statement.

It really should be a given that Angela Rayner is gone within days, but we’re talking about a government who has persisted with David Lammy as Foreign Secretary and Rachel Reeves as Chancellor of the Exchequer so anything is possible.

I am no expert on Disability Benefits , but what Financial Advantage would be gained by moving the Lads Money , I presume he gets full time Care , Although all I have heard is that he is Blind

So not sure about that , is his Council tax Covered , Or Does she pay it ? Although how Often she is Actually with him is anyones Guess , Between her DPM Duties and Seafront escapades Does she actually see

him ?

I dont want to bring her lad into it , Sadly she has , I know enough About Disabilities in Families but not Benefits , My mo in law gets Attendance Allowance ,

Everything else is paid , She has her Husbands small Pension and State Pension .

BTW before anyone Mentions I am targetting her and her disabled  Lad , Lets Remember this Government Put the Boot straight in to the Disabled of this Country ..

Starmer has backed Rayner to the HILT  , 40 Large tax Avoidance he seems to think is Fine , lets see what his thoughts are on this carry on ?

Loop hole Lizzie could  well bring Him and his Government Down

I see crocodile tears , but I smell something Else

Nob there are Benefit payments involved here and an Awful lot of money Involved with them ,How much money was the Lad Awarded is the Mumber 1 Question , Not saying Nowt as is ,

but she is all for Means tested Benefits and pensions , I know that much ...

If any of this Untoward , Her and Starmer are History  IMVHO

Be Like Vance on Food Stamps

‘It’s complicated’ they say.
Why would anyone expect a government minister to deal with something that is complicated?
My guess is the Brighton flat will be up for sale again soon or she’ll end up bankrupt.

Why isn't she suing the lawyers who gave her the incorrect advice ?

Maybe because she didn't supply them with the full facts  ?

She is still being conservative with the truth.

Nice pun.

Labour are the Temu Government, an absolute joke top to bottom.
Got an email this morning from the Petitions Committee in response to their review of the Governments response to Rupert Lowe’s demands that more data needs collecting in the "Mandatory collection and publication of certain child sexual offender data” petition.
They concluded the government hasn’t sufficiently addressed the issue and they need to try again.

It really isn’t a surprise, they are doing the least they possibly can get away with, and only moving on anything when pushed.

Talking of being pushed, I see the petition calling for an early election (just 1 year in ffs) is somewhere around the million mark.

This thread is full of uninformed poison posted by sad old men.

Being conservative with the truth is more like an oxymoron than a pun.

Michael Gove defended Zahawi on BBC Radio 4 on Thursday, saying: “My firm understanding is HMRC have no quibble with Nadhim. He’s paid everything that he should, and, people paying their taxes, that’s not a story – people not paying their taxes, yeah that is a problem.”

Krazi Kwarteng the Chancellor of Liz the Lettuce

In reference to the total amount paid to HMRC, the spokesperson said: “Nadhim Zahawi does not recognise this amount … As he has previously stated, his taxes are properly declared and paid in the UK.”

If Zahawi has paid a penalty, it would be hugely embarrassing,given his previous role as chancellor in charge of the UK’s tax system.

He has also been a member of a government that has made great efforts to ensure tax is paid in full and on time.

Labour said Zahawi should quit because his story “doesn’t add up”.

Dotchinite 03 Sep 25 21:39 
I well believe Rayner didnt know what the laws were given that she appears to be barely literate. Give her the benefit of the doubt and some better advisors.

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There was talk of the barely literate person usurping Starmer and
being PM, up until a few days ago. That bothers me more than the 40k tbh.

Let’s bring back Liz the Lettuce and Krazi Kwarteng

Educated fools are better

Lets doff our caps and tug our forelocks

Whisperingdeath 04 Sep 25 09:39 
Let’s bring back Liz the Lettuce and Krazi Kwarteng

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Why not, it's one your regular template replies.
You have little else to add.

Perhaps Vic Reeves for Rachel?

I never found Vic Reeves that funny tbh, certainly not as funny as Liz the Lettuce and Krazi Kwarteng.

If you found Truss and KK funny, you must be laughing your arse off at this rabble (makes a change from talking out of it)

No ashley it saddens me that a conservative is running the country still and he is almost as useless as the last lot. He does not have a clue what is needed neither do his ministers. He will protect the Super Rich and vested interests however and it is we who will pay for the 14 years of Tory ineptness

Perhaps you can tell us what the National Debt was when incompetenTories left office?

I think you should talk about the weather, it would be more relevant.

Net relevant?

or gift with a reservation of benefit?

Nigel Farage is using a private company to reduce his tax bill on his GB News media appearances and other outside employment in a television star-style arrangement that has in recent years become frowned on by major broadcasters.

The Reform UK leader diverts money from his prime-time TV show into his company, which means that he paid only 25% corporation tax on profits, instead of 40% income tax, and could offset some expenses.

The Clacton MP, who is also paid a £94,000-a-year MP’s salary, has in the past criticised people who try to avoid tax as the “common enemy” and has previously come under fire for setting up a trust fund in an offshore tax haven.

He has also claimed that some tax avoidance schemes were acceptable. “Most forms of legal tax avoidance are OK, but clearly some are not,” he said in 2014, adding that nobody voluntarily paid anything to HMRC while defending reducing a tax bill within the law.


Farage claimed last year to have “bought a house” in his constituency, but the property is actually owned in the name of his partner, meaning he legally avoided higher-rate stamp duty on the purchase of an additional home – given that he already owns other properties.

The use of personal service companies is not illegal, but it has been criticised across the political spectrum as a way to reduce tax bills. Farage has declined to publish his tax returns for 2023/24.

What is Fusion, and Why Is It So Difficult to Achieve?

So how exactly does nuclear fusion work? Simply put, nuclear fusion is the process by which two light atomic nuclei combine to form a single heavier one while releasing massive amounts of energy. Fusion reactions take place in a state of matter called plasma — a hot, charged gas made of positive ions and free-moving electrons that has unique properties distinct from solids, liquids and gases.

To fuse on our sun, nuclei need to collide with each other at very high temperatures, exceeding ten million degrees Celsius, to enable them to overcome their mutual electrical repulsion. Once the nuclei overcome this repulsion and come within a very close range of each other, the attractive nuclear force between them will outweigh the electrical repulsion and allow them to fuse. For this to happen, the nuclei must be confined within a small space to increase the chances of collision. In the sun, the extreme pressure produced by its immense gravity create the conditions for fusion to happen.

The amount of energy produced from fusion is very large — four times as much as nuclear fission reactions — and fusion reactions can be the basis of future fusion power reactors. Plans call for first-generation fusion reactors to use a mixture of deuterium and tritium — heavy types of hydrogen. In theory, with just a few grams of these reactants, it is possible to produce a terajoule of energy, which is approximately the energy one person in a developed country needs over sixty years.

Gawn!

Sep 3, 2025 -- 5:22PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:

WayYou lot could not even tell us what law she has broken!You’re just finger pointing flag wavers!

empty vessels..............

King of The Clueless - WD

You lot could not even tell us what law she has broken!

You’re just finger pointing flag wavers!  You know nothing and you’ll always know nothing. Gone by the weekend? You know as much about politics as you do about business Johnny…FA!

Johnny, you said she was guilty of hypocrisy because you could not tell us how she had broken any law!


The real hypocrites are people like you.

Bring Doris back? Oh that’s right… he is banned from the Palace of Westminster…..for corruption!

...and the Queen of the Hypocrites can take her comedy sunglasses and lime green flares with her into political oblivion.

you didn't know did you Johhny?

Just shouting your mouth off like the clueless hypocrites and cap doffers and forelock tuggers

Back to Tory Sleaze Bingo


July 2020 - Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick faced calls to resign over his role in a controversial planning project proposed by Tory donor Richard Desmond, which saved the former Daily Express owner up to £50m in council costs

Bingo!

Whisperingdeath 05 Sep 25 11:26
I don't think it is sleeze it is incompetence.

August 2020 - Education Secretary Gavin Williamson faced calls to resign over A-Level results chaos which saw Ofqual downgrade 40% of teacher-assessed grades. Private school pupils were found to benefit from the scheme disproportionately

Bingo!

She now takes "full responsibility for the error".

Only on Wednesday she was blaming her advisers.

Lying right to the end.

The only error she made was getting caught.

her  resignation letter goes on and on .....

clearly she was so far up her own 4rse she couldn't see daylight

How was she rumbled in the first place?

Imo she suspected that extra tax was due and chose to remain ignorant, but only she will know.

Never underestimate people's stupidity!

Thanks for the advice WD -  but  I have never underestimated yours.

Tug tug doff doff

Lick the spittle of your Masters floor

there's a good follower

If Nigel Farage had paid for his Clacton home it would have cost him an extra £44,000 in stamp duty. How convenient then, that his common law wife was on hand to buy the house as her sole property and pay a lower rate?

Angela Rayner has done the correct thing and resigned. Will Nigel Farage do the same thing? I very much doubt it.

I daresay somebody will now investigate source of funds!

Where does she elect to pay Council Tax?

I very much doubt the hollow man would pay taxes in Clackton as he is never there!

Blakey, you seem to have missed a very important point.  What Farage did was perfectly legal under the current rules, what Rayner did was not.

And the only reason Rayner resigned was because she got found out and really had no choice.

Farage will no doubt hide behind the technicality that what he did was within the law. That doesn't change the fact the man is a hypocrite of the highest order.

Rayner didn’t do the right thing. She lied trying to blame it on her conveyancing solicitors then turned on the waterworks for sympathy  before finally having to admit what she did was illegal.

The technicality that he didn't buy the house, and doesn't own it

Rayner 'broke the ministerial code', as identified by that extremely friendly and expedient 'independent' investigator. It was almost like Magnus knew the full story already.

Since Farage isn't a minister yet, it's a little more difficult to achieve

Stick to chasing Butler about Blakey you Far Left Mug

Far left mug? Au contraire. I'm actually apolitical. As far as I'm concerned they're all a bunch of crooks. Left, right and straight down the middle.

Sounds about right, as you don't appear to know anything about politics. Raver hasn't resigned as an mp.

some admittedly Facebook know all's saying she will still be on 94 k a year even thos she has resigned ,izzat right ?

Yes that's the MP basic salary. Plus expenses.

Less than Liz the Lettuce?

ok thanks cider

Does anyone know how she was rumbled in the first place?

As I understand it, came to light that she bought the holiday home in Hove, and journalists sniffed a story. Then the cover up started. It's always the cover up that does for them.

I'm not aware that I stated that Ms Rayner had resigned as a Member of Parliament? In my opinion Cider is being vexatious. He seems to have an extraordinary talent for that. 

Angela Rayner has done the correct thing and resigned. Will Nigel Farage do the same thing? I very much doubt it.


It's not that difficult?

An abiding memory of mine of Ms Rayner was how she tried to blag her way through the select committee grilling on the $39bn pledged towards housing.  A bit like the blaggers on Dragons Den who have no clue about the numbers. 

No doubt she has done extremely well for herself given her background, but a good grasp of facts and numbers should be a pre requisite if you are the de facto ministerial head dealing with a $39bn investment.

She resigned all her ministerial positions as she was found to have broke the ministerial code. Only ministers can break the ministerial code...

No need to resign as party deputy, but that was political I assume. As it would be a futile position on the back benches.

Have you seen Starmer in the liaison committee

dunno why I said $.  Was surely £s

'Angela Rayner has done the correct thing and resigned.'

Did I say that Angela Rayner had resigned her position as a Member of Parliament?

I did not.

Cider is being vexatious.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zPEH6QYBMtY

Resigned as a minister, ie from government. As she broke the ministerial code. She was going to cling on if she had been found not to have broken the code. People can only resign from government, if they are part of the government. It's not meant to be a puzzle or a riddle.

The funny thing is? I think me and Cider would get on like a house on fire over a pint or two of Tribute Bitter. 

She was rumbled when she sold her house to the trust set up to for her child who recieved compensation from The NHS, both her and the husband apperntly made payments to the trust upon the divorce, kinda looks like he paid summit in and she took it out, and bought a 800k dwelling,looks like she undervalued the house she sold to the trust but the detail is still not thar.

Labour labelled "Tory sleaze" as everything from, cake, wine and borrowing for wallpaper ect, but as ever that's when on campaign trail, once in power it's oh so diff.

It's illogical.

Raver made her political fortune by incessantly barking about and attacking people people for not paying their taxes. She's was in charge of housing, in a government that hiked stamp duty on the population. She bought a second property and dodged the stamp duty on second properties, that they put up!

Once caught, she lied about the advice she received, and used her disabled son as a sympathy card to try and wriggle out of it. While accusing the people questioning her of attacking her for being female and working class.

I tend to agree B&B. Bear in mind though that the vast majority of politicians are corrupt through and through. 

Putting your faith in a politician is like holding a scorpion in the palm of your hand and trusting it not to sting you.

Well the dealings of the trust are a whole other level. Of course the details are not public but to say it is suspicious is an understatement. I read the son was 17, when he paid his own Mum for part of his house. The house appears to be overvalued, but just under the stamp duty threshold. Those funds were then leveraged to buy a property about as far away from him as possible.

There doesn't seem to be an obvious reason why he would not have gained control of the trust when he reached 18. So this 'transaction' happened just before he gained legal control (quite possibly).

Selling your own property to your disabled son, and using the cash to move hundreds of miles away. It's astonishing really, even if technically legal.

The truth is boring and doesn't get column inches and politicians need column inches to enhance their profile.  Bending the truth is much more interesting

High profile politicians are inherently dishonest as that is how they become high profile.

Technicalities are routinely abused by politicians. Nigel Farage is ample proof of that.

England 1 - 0 Andorra at half time.

I think I need another pint of Tribute Bitter. 

about time he took off Rashford!

I encourage anyone to use any vehicle available to them to prevent paying as much tax as is humanly possible. In fact, I'm willing to (and do) help them achieve it. What I don't do is advocate breaking tax law, or demand other people pay more tax than they have to (unless they demand that from others).

Raver is an archetypal champagne socialist, 'taxes for thee, but not for me'. Bad luck Raver, your arrogance caught up with your lack of intelligence eventually.

I'm saddened to see her go, we don't see many MP's rise to the fore born without a silver spoon and etonian education.

I'm sick of the public school boys always running the country no matter who is voted in.
They're crap at it, and rob the country blind.

The UK is going thru some hard times.
The insanity of always voting for people who've never had it hard
it's like being in lifeboat in a storm and voting
somebody who's never been to sea as captain.

Hopefully we can find a middle line between Etonians and greedy uneducated chavs who would never get a job in the private sector.

Garage Farage at it again. Not disclosing his incoming in the Register.

Spends so much time in America to badmouth Britain…..who is paying him?