What happened to Astra Zeneca vaccine?

the mRNA vaccines (specifically those manufactured by Pfizer and Moderna) are
perceived to be even more effective than AstraZeneca. And, the vaccine’s
reputation took a hit when some people who received this vaccine subsequently
developed blood clots.
The UK and many other high-income countries are likely to continue predominantly
using mRNA COVID vaccines. However, much of the knowledge we have around “which
vaccine is better” relates to previous variants rather than omicron. As the virus
continues to evolve, so must the evidence base.

The so called cure was worse than the so called virus

unless, of course, you died of the virus and then it was worse.

Should have been banned in this country in March 2021 like it was in every other European country.  Just look up stats from yellow card system and see how much damage this jab done.  Disgraceful and it won't even get mentioned in the Inquiry.

so how many people have been killed by the vaccine?

northan - more from these so called jabs than any other in living history. Also, I've never heard of so many people with autoimmune diseases than in the last couple of years.  From the people I work with, friends and others.

"in living history!!!" so more than spanish flu? that was around 500 million dead.
i would have thought i would have started to notice that attrition rate.

In all seriousness you say it is some kind of auto immune epidemic
but I don't know anyone who is suffering from it.

10,000,000

https://www.bitchute.com/video/28q7ex2u6cpH/

northanlite Joined: 07 Jun 04
Replies: 1633018 Dec 23 23:43 
so how many people have been killed by the vaccine?


Kriskin 18 Dec 23 23:49 
northan - more from these so called jabs than any other in living history.

do you have a number?

northan - your question was regarding the jab - not the disease

no it was regarding the jab, is there a number? what numbers are being claimed? i honestly don't know anyone who
got ill from it. that doesn't mean it has not happened but the "living history" thing would make me think i would
come across somebody.

There's plenty of figures out there that state death by the jabs. Look it up.  Also look up the hot batch numbers from all of the jabs that caused most harm to people.  One AZ Batch number PV46671 brought a group of the injured together after some one posted on Twitter/X in March 2021

ok, i'm looking.
nope there really isn't any definitive number. are you now going to decide everyone that dies died
cos of the jab and not all those other pesky reasons.

like i say i don't know anyone i could attribute illness or worse to a vaccine but you obviously do.
Give me 10 examples

It needs to be discussed. An experimental jab with no long term data is the elephant in the room that doesn't get discussed.  As stated above look up the batch numbers that done most of the damage.

you said there were biblical numbers "highest in living memory" followed by "look it up" which i did.
given these staggering numbers all i am asking for are 10 examples.

northan - stick to the Rugby

but you said it was huge numbers but can't give me 10 examples?

Desperate times for Some with the JAB only available to Over 65s , Why is it now only over 65s ?

i'm absolutely sure there have been some bad outcomes from the various vaccines
as would be the case with any mass medical procedure but you aren't backing up
your claims which is a tad disappointing.

They were coming for Kids a year or so back Could not Jab enough people ..

While we are at it Will FLU ever return ?

Superior products won the market.

Maybe in a next step the Biontech one will be replaced by a version with self-replicating mRNA if those turn out to be better products.

casemoney19 Dec 23 00:23Joined: 04 Aug 06 | Topic/replies: 57,758 | Blogger: casemoney's blog
Desperate times for Some with the JAB only available to Over 65s , Why is it now only over 65s ?

Handy enough, Death pill will be needed soon enough as the planet overcrowds

Dec 18, 2023 -- 11:38PM, Kriskin wrote:

Should have been banned in this country in March 2021 like it was in every other European country.

Other jabs were better and safer. Tories set the remit of the inquiry. Would have been interesting to have this in the scope and discover how much they rushed to accept this as a benefit of no longer being in the EU. Cos I'd bet my mortgage on that being the case.

EU countries primarily really identified the problems with the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine because they vaccinated a different population with it. There will have been some differences between the countries, but in general the old people got Biontech and Moderna as that was deemed the high priority group that the higher efficacy vaccine was reserved for. In Germany's case it was also opened up to different sub groups over time. Don't recall the exact groups and won't look it up, it was something like first two weeks of the vaccination campaign - reserved for 80+, after those two weeks, the 70+ old people became eligible for Biontech and Moderna and so on.

AstraZeneca was viewed as quite rubbish for older people at least in Germany and France already before the severe complications came to light. I remember the German Vaccination Commission not advising it for older people at its introduction and the French also called it so-so effective for older folk. I also remmember that being rubbished on here as Brexit jealousy by Germany and France to criticise the UK product, but I guess that's just a side-note here.

Either way, those circumstances left Oxford/AstraZeneca basically for those that didn't want to wait until their age group was opened up for the mRNA vaccines and those where highest efficacy was deemed less important. So the percentage of younger people, younger women, i.e. the group where the potentially deadly thrombose complications were most common, out of total total Oxford/AstraZeneca recipients was a whole lot higher in the EU than it was in the UK. I.e. the problem was more visible.

I was informed on this forum that the Covid vaccines killed 4 billion people.

Apparently everybody was dropping like flies.

Can’t remember too much about my funeral, guess I must have got totally rat-arsed to numb the pain of being killed by a vaccine.

Annoying that with billions fewer people around the M25 is still a pain .

Any tories have shares in the company?

Why is it now only over 65s ?

They're the only ones still running scared.

I wonder how effective the jab is for the over 65s?
Which doesn't matter, because most people have already been infected by the milder virus and natural immunity works better than any vaccine.

Vaccine , booster , virus.

The Holy Trinity of protection.

An experimental drug? What a load of baloney! The vaccine was fast-tracked ie bringing conception to production period from 10 years to just a few months; many trials were conducted and expedited. These were necessary given the huge number of deaths due to Covid - needs must. Otherwise significantly more people would have died.

Some are still ungrateful despite the UK was one of the earliest countries with the vaccine; the UK allowed the rest of the world to have AZ at cost or free.

As always, UK knockers aplenty.

You must be paid to be writing that!!!

How many deaths and injuries caused by the experimental jabs?

All taken by those taken by the fear pushed on us all.

For a virus that dud not affect healthy people.

They jabbed the children!

Blood clots and heart attacks aplenty for the sheeple.

But don't worry if nothing has happened to the multiple jib jabbed yet.

There's plenty of time left.

But let's pray and hope that doesnt happen.

A worry those pesky conspiracy theorist anti vaxers will never have...

The only sheeple consusts

The only sheeple are those slavishly following their social media feed. Covid, immigrants, brexit, the climate, trans. And on and on.


A Venn diagram of all these people and these topics would just be a single circle. Hive mind. Slavishly following their master's voice.

Sheeple.

BennyBinion1 • December 19, 2023 9:52 PM GMT
You must be paid to be writing that!!!

How many deaths and injuries caused by the experimental jabs?

All taken by those taken by the fear pushed on us all.

For a virus that dud not affect healthy people.

They jabbed the children!

Blood clots and heart attacks aplenty for the sheeple.

But don't worry if nothing has happened to the multiple jib jabbed yet.

There's plenty of time left.

But let's pray and hope that doesnt happen.

A worry those pesky conspiracy theorist anti vaxers will never have...

The only sheeple consusts

Why do you pray for that instead of wishing for the world to become a better and smarter place full of yous? Need some sheeple to rule?

I for one am absolutely convinced that every single vaccinated person will have health issues and eventually death happening to them. Not gonna virtue signal about hopes and prayers to the opposite though.

That the Virus is now allowed to Spread with only Over 65 and Vulnerable being Jabbed , tells us all we need to know

That long-lasting base resistance has been established through vaccinations and prior infections, along with treatments having improved and a virus subtype having become dominant that is less vicious towards the lung?

Really ?

Yes. Do you disagree with specific points or all of it?

Oh, and with ULEZ in place the London lungs are less vulnerable to viruses that inhibit the respiratory system. Air pollution levels and chronic exposure to it, which causes damage, are very likely correlated with the harm a respiratory virus does to people.

Lived in London for years Edy  , My children were Brought up there , nothing wrong with their Lungs ,Was no ULEZ back then , Infact I know of no Children with Lung issues

From living in London,Perhaps something Else is causing Lung Issues , Air pollution was a lot worse in the 80s and 90s , Why were people Lungs not  affected ?

Lived in London for years Edy  , My children were Brought up there , nothing wrong with their Lungs ,Was no ULEZ back then , Infact I know of no Children with Lung issues

From living in London,Perhaps something Else is causing Lung Issues , Air pollution was a lot worse in the 80s and 90s , Why were people Lungs not  affected ?

Air pollution was Very Bad in the 60s and 70s , I dont remember the Whole school being full of Children with breathing issues , Infact I remember none

Why is it suddenly a Major Health Issue when the Air is a lot cleaner than it was ?

People in Every Part of the UK caught COvid , what has ULEZ to do with Covid ?  I see no connection EDy

The air pollution thing was primarily a tongue in cheek thing because people love to get energetic about ULEZ (as you coincidentally also show in enegertically picking that one up over the others). In general, people not knowing that their own respiratory system is in worse shape due to chronic exposure due to air pollution than it would be in life of fresh sea resort air does not mean the damage doesn't exist and that air pollution is not detrimental to one's health and respiratory system.

See e.g.

https://www.epa.gov/pmcourse/particle-pollution-and-respiratory-effects

casemoney • December 20, 2023 12:14 AM GMT
Why is it suddenly a Major Health Issue when the Air is a lot cleaner than it was ?

Because people know and care now. Smoking is a bigger health concern than in times gone by even though people smoke less.

casemoney • December 20, 2023 12:21 AM GMT
People in Every Part of the UK caught COvid , what has ULEZ to do with Covid ?  I see no connection EDy

Again, it was more of a tongue in cheek comment. Not entirely without reason and basis though. Right from the start of covid there were suggestions that air quality played a role in the severity of the disease, with later analysis suggesting that indeed there might indeed be something to it.

See e.g.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935120313566

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37167483/

Again though, the ULEZ thing was a tongue in cheek throwaway comment. What's of much more interest is:

casemoney • December 19, 2023 11:13 PM GMT
That the Virus is now allowed to Spread with only Over 65 and Vulnerable being Jabbed , tells us all we need to know

edy • December 19, 2023 11:20 PM GMT
That long-lasting base resistance has been established through vaccinations and prior infections, along with treatments having improved and a virus subtype having become dominant that is less vicious towards the lung?

casemoney • December 19, 2023 11:25 PM GMT
Really ?

edy • December 19, 2023 11:25 PM GMT
Yes. Do you disagree with specific points or all of it?

It could be that the Iceland Volcano is emmiting poisonous gases
This causes breathing problems similar to Covid
Watch this space

Covid variant: WHO charts its rapid global spread
But still only over 65s To be Jabbed?

That's what happens when societies have built up long-lasting base resistance through vaccinations and prior infections, along with treatments having improved and a virus subtype having become dominant that is less vicious towards the lung.

I don't think the vaccine gave long lasting protection.

While direct availability of fitting, but short-lasting, antibodies is an important part of a vaccine's function in preventing or reducing illness and was very much in focus for a while due to its longevity, or lack thereof, it isn't everything. Many vaccines, including the ones prevalent fpr SARS-CoV-2, also elicit a response in other aspects of the immune system, like t-cells, and hence prime people for a (much) longer time and a broader spectrum of similar viruses than antibodies do.

Quite similarly to how an infection is not going to cause you to have antibodies forever and ever after, but your immune system still being (somewhat) prepared nonetheless because of those other, longer-lasting aspects of your immune system that were prepared through those infections.

chocolate and teapots come to mind

Basically, when your body encounters a virus for the very first time it is usually slower to react than if it has encountered that virus or a similar one before. We learn to recognise and response as we become exposed, whether it be infection or vaccination.

That's how infection with covid and also vaccination help provide protection that lasts long beyond direct immunity through the direct availability of antibodies. Note how I specifically wrote about "long-lasting base resistance through vaccinations and prior infections", saddo. Nothing that prevents infection, but something that nonethless helps the body out in handling an infection later one.

As we grow older, our body will often slow down a bit in that recognition and will often also be more specific. I.e. if a 100 year old and a 50 year old know the same base virus and they then meet the same mutated version of it, the younger body is more likely to recognise the mutated version as something it knows and should react to.

This kinda thing is why, especially in cold/flu season, it then becomes advised again for especially at-risk and immunosuppressed people to

a) make the body have a more direct response at the ready (antibodies) in the season where infection is most likely
b) refresh the memory with an updated version of the virus so that the version the body knows from back whenever and the version the body is bound to encounter in the wild aren't too mutated and different to be recognised

so you wrote all that to tell us old folk are more vunerable than young folk?

No sh1t Shirley

Shirley ?

So there is a woman on the forum ?

plenty fannies

Dec 21, 2023 -- 9:02AM, nineteen points wrote:

so you wrote all that to tell us old folk are more vunerable than young folk? No sh1t Shirley

No, the "us" in your post is inaccurate. Someone with your intellectual capacity and unwillingness to learn is not my target audience. The post was in reply to saddo.

I still remember the catastrophe it was when I had hope for people like you and tried to teach you how to copy&paste. You single-handedly destroyed that hope when you showed you had no intention to learn such an essential, yet easy to pull-off, skill.