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By:
lapsy pa
When: 16 Oct 23 13:19
Yes CM, a fair bit larger percentage would be 'sympathetic', the strip is also has a higher than norm pop of women and children, that is not acknowledged and some seem to group all for their convenience (or conscience} as 'hamas'. As said a few posts ago it is a never ending spiral as both sides will want retribution.
By:
Foinavon
When: 16 Oct 23 13:19
Sunak said this morning that Hamas fighters are preventing non combatants from leaving the area, they don't care about civilian deaths as they will use them for propaganda purposes.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 16 Oct 23 13:19
WHY DON'T PALESTINIANS PURSUE THEIR OBJECTIVES BY PEACEFUL MEANS?

They did. The PLO recognised Israel and renounced armed struggle. And what did they get for it?
Absolute humiliation and systematic ethnic cleansing.
That is what nurtured Hamas and elevated it in the eyes of many Palestinians as the only alternative to a slow genocide under Israel’s Apartheid.
By:
casemoney
When: 16 Oct 23 13:21
Easy way of Sorting would be the Elderly , and women and Children , Even then there would need to be scrutiny , no 35 year old young lads
By:
casemoney
When: 16 Oct 23 13:21
Your Right Foin , they Prevent people leaving all the Time
By:
lapsy pa
When: 16 Oct 23 13:23
Amazing though that 1 million seem to have gone from north to south despite what Sunak said.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 16 Oct 23 13:24
So it's acknowledged that civilians are being held hostage against their will, but still full support for Israel going in and murdering them.



This place
By:
Foinavon
When: 16 Oct 23 13:27
Using human shields is defined as a war crime, and that's what they are doing both with the Gazan civilians and with the hostages.
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Oct 23 13:28
Are the parents of snp leaders wife residents of Gaza ..
How bad must it have been .. in Gaza ?
It’s like everywhere else ..
By:
casemoney
When: 16 Oct 23 13:28
If any of these so called Hostages are Alive and Well They should be Released ,I doubt many are , those few who are probably wish they were Dead ..
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Oct 23 13:34
Gaza has a Mediterranean coastline ..
Are there many beautiful hotels there and
a thriving tourist trade and prosperous surroundings ..
If not , why not ?
By:
Foinavon
When: 16 Oct 23 13:35
Risk to civilians does not bar military action, but the principle of proportionality requires that precautions be taken to minimize the harm to these protected persons. This analysis includes considerations like whether circumstances permit the attacker to time a military action to minimize the presence of civilians at the location.[16]

Under the Rome Statute, using protected persons as shields in an international armed conflict is a war crime.[17] There is currently debate amongst legal scholars about whether traditional proportionality analysis should be modified to take into account the culpability of actors who use human shields to gain a strategic advantage. In modern asymmetric warfare it has become difficult to distinguish between military targets and civilians, but State actors still rely on traditional principles that present challenges when applied to asymmetric conflicts. Non-state forces, like guerillas and terrorists, conceal themselves among civilian populations and may take advantage of this position to launch attacks. When military action targeting these unconventional combatants results in civilian deaths, State actors may blame the deaths on enemy forces who use human shields.[18]

From Wikipedia [Human shield (law)]
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Oct 23 13:37
Don’t forget .. Hitler and his fellow travellers ..
tried to blame the holocaust .. on the Jewish people -

the movie goes on , and on and on …
By:
casemoney
When: 16 Oct 23 13:39
Have you heard much about the Israelis Butchering and raping Babies Giggilo

Just asking
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Oct 23 13:40
The usual suspects .. anti zionists anti Israel in league
with Nazi racists and Islamist ideology anti semitism
is raising its ugly face again ..
By:
Foinavon
When: 16 Oct 23 13:42
Have you noticed that Israel is the only country in the world that gets blamed for being attacked?

And that there are people who loathe it so much that they are actually prepared to defend or excuse the deliberate mass murder of civilians, including old women and tiny children?

From an article by Peter Hitchens.

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2023/10/peter-hitchens-who-can-seriously-call-on-israel-a-nation-the-size-of-wales-to-weaken-its-defences-fu.html
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 16 Oct 23 13:44
There you go.



Criticism of Israeli policies = attacking




Israel simply can never be criticised.
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Oct 23 13:48
Gaza is on the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea
Bordered by Israel to the east and north and Egypt to the south west
Now why are there not many beautiful hotels on that beautiful coastline
maybe there are , and a prosperous tourist industry , maybe there is ..

If not - why not ?
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 16 Oct 23 13:49
It would be a mistake to imagine this all started a week ago on Saturday. Israel embarked on a programme of degradation for the Palestinian people decades ago. They're not saying they want rid of Palestinians but the end goal has become more apparent in the last few days. It's ethnic cleansing.

You can't trust Netenyahu, he couldn't lie straight in bed.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 16 Oct 23 13:49
Just to correct an inaccurate post i made,seems as if the number so far gone from north to south is 400,000 and not as i said.
By:
Foinavon
When: 16 Oct 23 13:51
Where does he say that Porky? Israel getting blamed for being attacked is not the same thing.
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Oct 23 13:52
Today there are about 1.6 million Palestinians
living in Israel - about 20% of the population ..
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Oct 23 13:56
So don’t believe anyone who claims Israel
wants to carry out ethnic cleansing .. quite the opposite
Live peacefully and live safely and live happily
Let’s build those hotels on the Gaza Mediterranean
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Oct 23 13:58
The Israelis can do it - and so can the Palestinians
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 16 Oct 23 14:01
Those million plus Palestinians are Israeli citizens, are they not lfc?
By:
casemoney
When: 16 Oct 23 14:11
been attacked by Snackbar Punters and All sorts of God Believers on Twitter , for saying God probably does not exist

They Said I will Never reach eternal Heaven

I said if you lot are going to be up there ,Thanks be to fook Grin
By:
saddo
When: 16 Oct 23 14:14
lfc1971 16 Oct 23 13:52 
Today there are about 1.6 million Palestinians
living in Israel - about 20% of the population ..

...............


I thought you must be wrong and looked it up. I wonder if there are 1.6 million Jews in any Muslim country.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 16 Oct 23 14:18
I wonder if any country turns off Jews' water supply to punish them.
By:
casemoney
When: 16 Oct 23 14:21
I believe A lot of Folks in Gaza work in Israel , Or Did ?
By:
saddo
When: 16 Oct 23 14:21
At least we have entrenched positions and whataboutery to keep us going til it ends for the time being.
By:
casemoney
When: 16 Oct 23 14:23
it makes you wonder why the Palestinians in Israel are not Kicking off , Or do they realise what a  Shower of shyte  is running Gaza ?
By:
saddo
When: 16 Oct 23 14:33
I saw there were half a million Palestinians in Chile, what's that all about?
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 16 Oct 23 14:38

Oct 16, 2023 -- 1:51PM, Foinavon wrote:


Where does he say that Porky? Israel getting blamed for being attacked is not the same thing.


Fair point. Though blame/attack isn't miles apart.


And Israel is far from being the only country to get blamed when it's attacked.

By:
tobermory
When: 16 Oct 23 15:37

Oct 16, 2023 -- 1:19PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


WHY DON'T PALESTINIANS PURSUE THEIR OBJECTIVES BY PEACEFUL MEANS?They did. The PLO recognised Israel and renounced armed struggle. And what did they get for it? Absolute humiliation and systematic ethnic cleansing. That is what nurtured Hamas and elevated it in the eyes of many Palestinians as the only alternative to a slow genocide under Israel’s Apartheid.


Where does that quote come from? It is flat wrong. Arafat was offered the '2 state solution' and turned it down. No counter proposals. It exposed the 'peaceful' approach of Fatah in the 1990s as a ploy to get concessions (which they got) but when their bluff was called by the Israelis and Bill Clinton the truth was plain to see. Incredible that leftists are still pushing this narrative that Israel is blocking a peaceful solution. The Palestinians want one state across all the land of Israel.

By:
thegiggilo
When: 16 Oct 23 15:52
They've revealed themselves to the world now,mudering innocent people live genocide of course there won't be any intervention they will willingly kill 10,20,30,000 innocent people a 1000 children dead already,the no food,water,electricty will kill off another 2-3,000 as well that's the plan,extermination as many as possiible,Then when they go in muder everyone with no reportin,they've done it in the open for years,utter cowards frightened of their own shadow..Great to see 100s of millions across the world seeing through it,jews supporting palestinian rights everywhere,the only persons supporting it are racists and anti semites,the actual people that really hate them..This is just hitler but openly doing it,it will never be forgotton they will be hated round the world,they need to change and quick.
By:
saddo
When: 16 Oct 23 15:59
You do trot out some guff.
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 16 Oct 23 16:05
The irony of the Jihadi Giggolo calling people racists after trotting out the classic lefty racist trope that black people who disagree with him are less black.
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Oct 23 16:45
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich :
“ Not every German who bought a copy of Mein Kampf
necessarily read it … but it might be argued if more non
Nazi Germans read it before 1933 - and had the foreign
statesmen of the world perused it carefully while there
was still time, both Germany and the world might have
been saved from catastrophe “

How many Jews , or Israelis , or anyone else for that matter
have read the Hamas charter which spells out clearly Hamas’s
genocidal intentions ? It spells out four main themes

1. The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition
for the liberation of Palestine and the creation of a theocratic
state based on Islamic law ( sharia )

2. The need for unrestrained and unceasing holy war ( jihad )
to obtain the above objective

3 The deliberate disdain for and dismissal of any negotiated
resolution or political settlement of Jewish and Muslim claims
to the Holy Land , and

4 The reinforcement of historical antisemitic tropes and calumnies
married to sinister conspiracy theories

The Hamas covenant opens with a sentence that encapsulates Hamas’s
master plan - quoting the Egyptian founder of the Muslim Brotherhood
of which Hamas is a constituent member -
“ Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it,
just as it obliterated others before it “
By:
lfc1971
When: 16 Oct 23 16:55
Many many people at the time were similar to many on this forum ..during the rise of
Nazi Germany , many never read Mein Kampf ..wherein Hitler and the Nazis intentions were made clear
And they haven’t read Hamas’s founding charter .. where their intentions as with those of Hitler and the Nazis
are made explicitly clear .
By:
xmoneyx
When: 16 Oct 23 21:01
The Speaker of the Iranian Parliament, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf has stated that if a Ground Invasion of Gaza occurs that Iran will “Open up the Gates of Hell” against Israel.
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