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Imagine wanting to to support such abhorrent Filth , Beyond words TBH
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Never mind Supporting , Dancing and Cheering in the Streets , they ain't dancing now
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You love a bit of fake news doncha case
Chump didn’t do it! |
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Go away you all need foooking help you are sick to the Core
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Dirty filthy articles that are unfit to walk this Earth and they have your Support ..
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So, so many people just happy at the idea of pensioners being kicked out of their homes to be given to newly arrived foreigners.
The irony is amazing. |
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Is that woman a filthy article case?
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Imagine bombing women and children in their homes case
The bravery of the Israeli Defence Force eh case, let’s wave the Star of David about or light up Wembley Stadium with it? Where were they cowering while Hamas were murdering Israeli’s case? How many hours were they hiding fir while their people were being massacred? Do yoh really think the brave child killers of the Israeli Defence Force will fight Hamas Mano a Mano? |
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Dragging off young womens bodies for Sexual Purposes , More Fake news , Or perhaps they were going to cook them
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Deep fake videos
You have seen them. Remember Diane Abbot with odd shoes on? Israeli Dirty Trucks Department, London Branch as advertised in the Daily Mail. There are always suckers who believe it oh yes like…… you |
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Get your Little Flags out , This is nothing to do with Palestine other than the cowards using it as a Shield , They hate everyone who is not with their Jihad
You think your flags would save you  Your Back doors would be smashed and heads removed , You need to liven up abit , you never know where this can kick off |
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htpps://talk.tv/news/31031/were-babies-beheaded-at-israel-kibbutz-massacre
Not saying either way but there is doubt on those claims. |
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Shrillary Clinton is a Devil Worshiping pizza eating peado
Remember that one case? Do you still believe it? |
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Jihadists are Abhorrent Filth , unfit to walk this Earth , There is fook all fake about that statement , The fella stabbing little kids in a play ground in France
FAKE NEWS ? All the other Filth in the Name of of their main Man, MANCHESTER , FAKE NEWS ? Your foooking brains are Fake  |
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Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii
Do yoh remember that deep fake case |
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Get down to Embassy with your Muckers WD , stop posting Shyte on here all day , Get out of the house
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The Election was stolen
Do yoh remember that fake news case Gullible fools are now in prison because they believed that fake news Wave your bunting |
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Get Brexit Dun
Protect Our Borders Remember that deep fake case? Did you vote for that? How is that going? Seem any Jihadi’s on the beach Fousands of ‘em coming in dinghies and I’ve been told they are coming to git cha |
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Let’s see if waving your Star of David flag will protect you
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98 million economic migrants coming here case
It’s true. Cruella said so! Always gullible fools who believe the pish |
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Just back from the gym case
Not an imaginary gym. A real one with weights. You better look out of your net curtains in case the Jihadi’s are coming for you |
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It's like bleach.
Why are they all so scared to watch that video and give their opinion? Can't be cowardice surely. Can't be accepting the difficulty of accepting the world isn't black or white is it? |
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As fears mounted inside the enclave of an imminent assault, an Israeli defence official vowed that Gaza will become a 'tent city' with every building razed.
And you wonder why people are fighting back case? Who is cowardly? |
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Who is evil?
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Taking half a step back, I think this episode is a huge test for Twitter. We've seen it deteriorate before our eyes in the last 12 months but there's already been so much misinformation on there about this war that the previous regime would have rooted out very quickly. Don't know if he's deliberately aiding Putin's misinfo shenanigans or if he still just refuses to learn but I could see a lot of the remaining confidence that users have in twitter go over the next few months.
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We don't know the circumstances, porky, there is no commentary that I can view. You are asking me to believe the worst-case scenario, I would like more background in order to have an opinion.
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Reckon this is a fair piece.
People ask me all the time if I am "pro-Israel" because I am a Jew who has lived in Israel, and my answer is that being "pro-Israel" or being "pro-Palestine" or being a "Zionist" does not properly capture the nuance of thought most people do or should have about this issue. It certainly doesn't capture mine. I have a lot to say. I’ve spent the last 72 hours writing, texting, and talking to Israelis, Jews, Muslims, and Palestinians. Much of my reaction is going to piss off people on "both sides," but I am exhausted and hurting and I do not think there is any way to discuss this situation without being radically honest about my views. So I'm going to try to say what I believe to be true the best I can. Let me start with this: It could have been me. That's a hard thought to shake when watching the videos out of Israel — the concert goers fleeing across an empty expanse, the hostages being paraded through the streets, the people shot in the head at bus stops or in their cars. I went to those parties in the desert, I rubbed shoulders with Israelis and Arabs and Jews and Muslims, I could have easily accepted an invitation to some concert near Sderot and gone without a care, only to be indiscriminately slaughtered. Or, perhaps worse, taken hostage and tortured. I don’t believe Hamas is killing Israelis to liberate themselves, nor do I believe they are doing it to make peace. They're doing this because they represent the devil on the shoulder of every oppressed Palestinian who has lost someone in this conflict. They're doing it because they want vengeance. They are evening the score, and acting on the worst of our human impulses, to respond to blood with blood — an inclination that is easy to give in to after what their people have endured. It should not be hard to understand their logic — it is only hard to accept that humans are capable of being driven to this. Not defending Hamas is a very low bar to clear. Please clear it. It’s not possible to recap the entire 5,000 year history of people fighting over this strip of land in one newsletter. There are plenty of easily accessible places you can learn about it if you want to (and, by the way, many of you should — far too many people speak on this issue with an obscene amount of ignorance, loads of arrogance, and a narrow historical lens focused on the last few decades). But I'll briefly highlight a few things that are important to me. In my opinion, the Jewish people have a legitimate historical claim to the land of Israel. Jews had already been expelled and returned and expelled again a half dozen times before the rise of the Muslim and Arab rule of the Ottoman Empire. Of course it’s messy because we Jews and Arabs and Muslims are all cousins and descendents of the same Canaanites. But Arabs won the land centuries ago the same way Israel and Jews won it in the 20th century: Through conflict and war. The British defeated the Ottoman Empire and then came the Balfour Declaration, which amounted to the British granting the area to the Jewish people, a promise they’d later try to renege on — all before the wars that have defined the region since 1948. That historical moment in the late 1940s was unique. After World War II, with many Arab and Muslim states already in existence, and after six million Jews were slaughtered, the global community felt it was important to grant the Jewish people a homeland. In a more logical or just world that homeland would have been in Europe as a kind of reparation for what the Nazis and others before them had done to the Jews, or perhaps in the Americas — like Alaska — or somewhere else. But the Jews wanted Israel, the British had taken to the Zionist movement, the British had conquered the Ottoman Empire which handed them control of the land, and America and Europe didn’t want the Jews. As a result, we got Israel. The Arab states had already rejected a partitioned Israel repeatedly before World War II and rejected it again after the Holocaust and the end of the war. They did not want to give up even a little bit of their land to a bunch of Jewish interlopers who were granted it all of a sudden by British interlopers who had arrived a hundred years prior. Who could blame them? It had been centuries since Jews lived there in large numbers, and now they wanted to return in waves as secularized Europeans. Many of us would probably react the same way. So, just as humans have done forever, they fought. The many existing Arab states turned against the burgeoning new Jewish state. One side won and one side lost. This is the brutal and broken and violent world we live in, but it is what created the global world order we have now. Are Israelis and British people "colonizers" because of this 20th century history? Sure. But that view flattens thousands of years of history and conflict, and the context of World War I and World War II. I don’t view Israelis and Brits as colonizers any more than the Assyrians or the Babylonians or the Romans or the Mongols or the Egyptians or the Ottomans who all battled over the same strip of land from as early as 800 years before Jesus’s time until now. The Jews who founded Israel just happened to have won the last big battle for it. You can’t speak about this issue in a vacuum. You can't pretend that it wasn't just 60 years ago when Israel was surrounded on all sides by Arab states who wanted to wipe them off the face of the planet. Despite the balance of power shifting this century, that threat is still a reality. And you can't talk about that without remembering the only reason the Jews were in Israel in the first place was that they'd spent the previous centuries fleeing a bunch of Europeans who also wanted to wipe them off the face of the planet. And then Hitler showed up. American partisans have a narrow view of this history, and an Americentric lens that is infuriating to witness. As Lee Fang perfectly put it, "Hamas would absolutely execute the ACAB lefties cheering on horrific violence against Israelis if they lived in Gaza & U.S. right-wingers blindly cheering on Israeli subjugation of Palestinians would rebel twice as violently if Americans were subjected to similar occupation." And yet, many Americans only view modern Israel as the "powerful" one in this dynamic. Which is true — they obviously are. It isn't a fair fight and it hasn't been for decades because Israel's government is rich and resourceful, has the backing of the United States and most of Europe, and has an incredibly powerful military. At the same time, Israeli leadership has made technological and military advancements that have further tipped those scales — all while the Israeli government has helped create a resource-thin open air prison of two million Arabs in Gaza. Conversely, Palestinians are devoid of any real unified leadership, and the Arab world is now divided on the issue of Palestine. Israel is unwilling to give the people in Gaza and the West Bank more than an inch of freedom to live. These are largely the refugees and descendents of the refugees of the 1948 and 1967 wars that Israel won. And you can't keep two million people in the condition that those in the Gaza strip live in and not expect events like this. I'm sorry to say that while the blood on the ground is fresh. The Israelis who were killed in this attack largely have nothing to do with those conditions other than being born at a time when Israel and Jews have the upper hand in this conflict. Some of the victims weren’t even Israeli — they were just tourists. This is why we describe them as “innocent” and why Hamas has only reaffirmed that they are a brutal terror organization with this attack — an organization that I hope is quickly toppled, for the sake of both the Palestinian people and the Israelis. But as someone with a deep love for Israel, with friends in danger and people I know still missing, it breaks my heart to say it but I'm saying it again because it remains perhaps the most salient point of context in a tangled mess full of centuries of context: You cannot keep two million people living in the conditions people in Gaza are living in and expect peace. You can't. And you shouldn’t. Their environment is antithetical to the human condition. Violent rebellion is guaranteed. Guaranteed. As sure as the sun rising. And the cycle of violence seems locked in to self-perpetuate, because both sides see a score to settle: 1) Israel has already responded with a vengeance, and they will continue to. Their desire for violence is not unlike Hamas’s — it’s just as much about blood for blood as any legitimate security measure. Israel will “have every right to respond with force." Toppling Hamas — a group, by the way, Israel erred in supporting — will now be the objective, and civilian death will be seen as necessary collateral damage. But Israel will also do a bunch of things they don't have a right to. They will flatten apartment buildings and kill civilians and children and many in the global community will probably cheer them on while they do it. They have already stopped the flow of water, electricity, and food to two million people, and killed dozens of civilians in their retaliatory bombings. We should never accept this, never lose sight that this horror is being inflicted on human beings. As the group B’Tselem said, “There is no justification for such crimes, whether they are committed as part of a struggle for freedom from oppression or cited as part of a war against terror.” I mourn for the innocents of Palestine just as I do for the innocents in Israel. As of late, many, many more have died on their side than Israel's. And many more Palestinians are likely to die in this spate of violence, too. Unfortunately, most people in the West only pay attention to this story when Hamas or a Palestinian in Gaza or the West Bank commits an act of violence. Palestinian citizens die regularly at the hands of the Israeli military and their plight goes largely unnoticed until they respond with violence of their own. Israel had already killed an estimated 250 Palestinians, including 47 children, this year alone. And that is just in the West Bank. 2) Every single time Israel kills someone in the name of self-defense they create a handful of new radicalized extremists who will feel justified in wanting to take an Israeli life in retribution sometime in the future. Half of Gaza’s two million people are under the age of 19 — they know little besides Hamas rule (since 2006), Israeli occupation, blockades, and rockets falling from the sky. The suffering of these innocent children born into this reality is incomprehensible to me. They will suffer more now because of Hamas’s actions and Israel’s response, all through no fault of their own. There is no way out of this pattern until one side exercises restraint or leaders on both sides find a new solution. Israelis will tell you that if Palestinians put their guns down then the war would end, but if Israel put their guns down they'd be wiped off the planet. I don't have a crystal ball and can’t tell you what is true. But what I am certain of is that every time Israel kills more innocents they engender more rage and hatred and recruit more Palestinians and Arabs to the cause against them. There is no disputing this. So, why did this happen now? I'm not sure how to answer that question except to say it was bound to happen eventually. It was a massive policy and intelligence failure and Netanyahu should pay the price politically — he is a failed leader. Iran probably helped organize the attack and the money freed up by the Biden administration's prisoner swap probably didn't help the situation, either. Israel's increasingly extremist government and settlers provoking Palestinians certainly didn't help. Nor has going to the Al-Aqsa mosque and desecrating it. Nor do blockades and bombings and indiscriminate subjugation of a whole people. Nor does refusing to talk to non-terrorist leaders in Palestine. Nor does illegally continuing to expand and steal what is left of Palestinian land, as many Jews and Israelis have been doing in the 21st century despite cries from the global community to stop. A violent response was predictable — in fact, plenty of people did predict it. Israel is forever stuffing these people into tinier and tinier boxes with fewer and fewer resources. But if you want to blame Israeli leaders for continuing to expand and settle land that does not belong to them (as I do), then you should also spare some blame for Palestinian leaders for repeatedly not accepting a partitioned Israel during the 20th century that could have led to peace (as I do). Please also remember this: Hamas is still an extremist group. The Palestinian people do not have a government or leaders who legitimately represent their interests, and it sure as hell isn't Hamas. Will some Palestinians cheer and clap at the dead, or spit on them as they are paraded through Gaza? Yes they will. And they have. Many will also mourn because they loathe Hamas and know this will only make things worse. This is no different than how some Americans cheer at the dead in every single war we've ever fought. It's no different than the Israelis who set up lawn chairs to watch their government bomb Palestine and cheer them on, too. This doesn't mean Palestinians or Israelis or Americans are evil — it means some of them are giving in to their violent impulses, and their zealous feelings of righteous vengeance. Solutions, you ask? I can’t say I have any. If you came here for that, I’m sorry. The two-state solution looks dead to me. A three-state solution makes some sense but feels out of the view of all the people who matter and could make it happen. I wish a one-state solution felt realistic — a world of Israelis and Arabs and Muslims and Jews living side by side with equal rights, fully integrated and defused of their hate, is a version of Israel that I would adore. But it seems less and less realistic with every new act of violence. Am I pro-Israel or pro-Palestine? I have no idea. I'm pro-not-killing-civilians. I'm pro-not-trapping-millions-of-people-in-open-air-prisons. I'm pro-not-shooting-grandmas-in-the-back-of-the-head. I'm pro-not-flattening-apartment-complexes. I'm pro-not-raping-women-and-taking-hostages. I'm pro-not-unjustly-imprisoning-people-without-due-process. I'm pro-freedom and pro-peace and pro- all the things we never see in this conflict anymore. Whatever this is, I want none of it. |
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Dear me, this will not end well
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The emergency alert in Israel has been raised from Run to Hide
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1712063095219126403
A brave lad walks among the the Woke Stain's and Stine's outside the Israeli Embassy |
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Good grief Vanessa thinks the recent Hamas attack was unprovoked
they don’t have a clue! |
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Thanks Porky. The author does try to be even-handed although I think he is being naive on a couple of issues. Jews have always viewed Judea as their ancestral home and there appears to be a lot of historical justification for this. Some Jewish scholars will say that the lands including the West Bank were given to them by God so there would be little scope for compromise there. Now that they have it there is no chance of them giving it away while they have breath in their bodies. Secondly, the author's unicorn of a one-state solution will not work. Jews and Arabs do live and work side by side in Israel while the Jews control the state and make the laws. If the entire population were merged with equal status then it would be Arab-controlled and an Islamic state. The Jews would have at best dhimmi status and I suspect would be persecuted and become refugees if not killed.
https://katz.sas.upenn.edu/resources/blog/what-do-you-know-dhimmi-jewish-legal-status-under-muslim-rule Strategically, Israeli planners realised after the Arab-Israeli wars that the original boundaries of Israel were not defensible which is why they held on to the Golan Heights and the West Bank. To retreat to the original boundaries would invite attack and they only have to lose the once to be obliterated. The big danger now is the possibility of an Iranian nuclear weapon against which there could be no defence. It's pretty certain they would launch another preemptive attack if they look like succeeding to build one. |
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Dan Cohen
@dancohen3000 "Kill all Palestinians! All of them!" "Wipe them off the f*cking map!" "We need to erase Gaza!" Pro-Israel protesters in New York City demand genocide.. https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1711869282097729617 They have become the people that wanted to annihilate them,fanatics.. |
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I'd be interested to know more about the Jews being given Israel. I mean firstly, where were they before? Cos they weren't there for hundreds of years. I know they consider it their ancient home, but Islam also considers Jerusalem to be one of its most holy cities, and obviously there are the Catholics too. What makes the Jews so special that they could elbow ahead of others to be gifted it. And where were they before? Just spread around the world? So why the need for a Jewish state? Did they ask for one? Can see why in fairness.
Secondly, was Israel their first choice. The author talks about Europe and America and how they both snubbed them essentially. Was Israel the Bullseye speedboat of it all or did they want it more than anywhere else due to the religious links. Thirdly, whose was it to gift away? You can see why the muslim world has such a hard time with Israel and the west after they just had them imposed on them and then proceeded to dominate and subjugate them since; the west helping them endlessly while vilifying any Muslim protest. So who said this is yours, and what did the existing residents do or say? I'd imagine if they were just gifted Scotland and then built up their might to snatch down to Preston and force the remaining Brits to live at their whim you'd have a lot of protest here too. Was part of the idea that they were placed among a poor region and they were in a great position to build up and dominate? Got about five books I need to finish, but I think one on the creation of Israel should be next up. |
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There were Jews living there continously from Biblical times, though a small number.
It's true the ancestors of 90% ish of Israelis today were living somewhere else 200 years ago. But the same is true of 90% of 'Palestinians'. It was a largely empty land. Mark Twain visited it in the 1870s. He found that the productive agricultural land that exists today was untended and strewn with weeds. Jews went there of their own volition in the 1880s, established farming communities and so on. Muslims from neighbouring provinces went there as labourers or for other work as the economy was expanding. I didn't know about any 'homeland in Europe' idea, perhaps that's what the author thinks should have been offered. God knows where it would have been. There was the 'Madagscar Plan' to ettle the Jews there. Though I think that was Heydrich's first idea, before he came up with the final one. |
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You could try "The Antiquities of the Jews" by Flavius Josephus for the historical record of Roman times.
Martin Gilbert wrote a highly acclaimed book "Israel: A History".It's on my list although I'm yet to read it. |
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PorcupineorPineapple • October 11, 2023 8:41 PM BST
I'd be interested to know more about the Jews being given Israel. The US protestants/evangelicals need Israel and Jerusalem there so the end times/rapture arrives in which all the good Christians, dead and alive, live happily ever after with Jesus the Lord and Savior in the Kingdom of God while all the jews and other non-believers are left to be tortured by demons and plagues. Rapture is also why the evangelicals strongly favour kids being shot dead in school over them hearing about e.g. homosexuality....ever. Pure kid shot dead goes to Kingdom of God. Satanic kid that has heard about homosexuality will not, as probably won't the evangelicals that allowed such lessons. |
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Some selective criticism I see.
It seems Arabs have something about baby killing and rape, why is nobody mentioning the Janjaweed creating genocide in Sudan? |