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Beyond Words ,One of the most shocking things I have ever seen , God bless the fella with the Ruck Sack trying to stop him
Beyond Words ,One of the most shocking things I have ever seen , God bless the fella with the Ruck Sack trying to stop him
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The “so called” Islamic State “ is referred to like that because there is really no such thing and it tries to make that clear. Good reporting of course.
But the bigots trying to spot conspiracy theories in everything. They try and pretend that the bigoted biased quite warped views of race and religions are the norm, by congregating in certain threads then finding stories to help their odious “we hate black people” narrative and reinforcing each other’s dreadful attitudes as “normal” it’s a symptom of the internet. Not matter how vile your views are you can find others who share them.
This is not different. The fact that a murderer happened to be a Christian does not sit well with their permanent “we hate all Muslims” narrative. So what do the bigots do. Just deny the information because it conflicts with the permanent state of prejudice…”was he a Christian at all….?..?.”
My guess is that this thread or another will quickly be used to put up stories about crime committed by black people. It will be littered with vile adjectives again, like “beast” and “savage” and be a blatant attempt to spread racial indignation and racial hatred. Casemoney and alun2005 simply cannot help themselves. They get red necked and furious when any black face appears on the telly. Their whole raison d’etre is hatred of black people and they see betfair as their means to spreading their bile racial hatred.
They will be along again soon with more “real life stories” that prove nothing other than the vile nature of their racist characters.
Shame betfair continues to allow the humiliation and shame of their black customers by allowing the bigots to just carry on waging their race hatred wars on their forum.
But the bigots trying to spot conspiracy theories in everything. They try and pretend that the bigoted biased quite warped views of race and religions are the norm, by congregating in certain threads then finding stories to help their odious “we hate black people” narrative and reinforcing each other’s dreadful attitudes as “normal” it’s a symptom of the internet. Not matter how vile your views are you can find others who share them.
This is not different. The fact that a murderer happened to be a Christian does not sit well with their permanent “we hate all Muslims” narrative. So what do the bigots do. Just deny the information because it conflicts with the permanent state of prejudice…”was he a Christian at all….?..?.”
My guess is that this thread or another will quickly be used to put up stories about crime committed by black people. It will be littered with vile adjectives again, like “beast” and “savage” and be a blatant attempt to spread racial indignation and racial hatred. Casemoney and alun2005 simply cannot help themselves. They get red necked and furious when any black face appears on the telly. Their whole raison d’etre is hatred of black people and they see betfair as their means to spreading their bile racial hatred.
They will be along again soon with more “real life stories” that prove nothing other than the vile nature of their racist characters.
Shame betfair continues to allow the humiliation and shame of their black customers by allowing the bigots to just carry on waging their race hatred wars on their forum.
Islamic State is both a name for a fundamental group following Hadith’s and an ultimate goal.
As a place it’s a theocracy imposed on people against their will.
They could very well have called them Orthodox.
In reference to the ‘so called’ Christian, I think you will struggle to find anything in the New Testament that justifies such actions….you can’t say the same about Islam I’m afraid.
Not that either man made religion is anything more than superstition.
The point is there is a culture of apologetics going on, but only one way.
As a place it’s a theocracy imposed on people against their will.
They could very well have called them Orthodox.
In reference to the ‘so called’ Christian, I think you will struggle to find anything in the New Testament that justifies such actions….you can’t say the same about Islam I’m afraid.
Not that either man made religion is anything more than superstition.
The point is there is a culture of apologetics going on, but only one way.
And that of course is just rubbish and it’s clear you are just anti Muslim.
Cry
The inference is not ‘erroneously labelled’ or ‘incorrect projected objectives’, when the bbc use ‘so called’ ahead of Islamic State, because neither of those can be affirmed.
When the bbc use so called they are attempting to suggest ‘so called Islamic’ state, as though those beliefs are nothing to do with Islam, which itself is incorrect. The followers of Islamic State are quoting scripture and apparent benign imams struggle to challenge them on the interpretations because they know they exist.
Just look at what has now happened when the inference is turned around and used quite legitimately before a religion that doesn’t have such scripture, the likes of you call it racist.
That’s the same error that tied the hands of the police who couldn’t police on merit where people were breaking the law in case they were seen to be anti Islamic.
These invented notions to apologise for ill fitting doctrines.
The inference is not ‘erroneously labelled’ or ‘incorrect projected objectives’, when the bbc use ‘so called’ ahead of Islamic State, because neither of those can be affirmed.
When the bbc use so called they are attempting to suggest ‘so called Islamic’ state, as though those beliefs are nothing to do with Islam, which itself is incorrect. The followers of Islamic State are quoting scripture and apparent benign imams struggle to challenge them on the interpretations because they know they exist.
Just look at what has now happened when the inference is turned around and used quite legitimately before a religion that doesn’t have such scripture, the likes of you call it racist.
That’s the same error that tied the hands of the police who couldn’t police on merit where people were breaking the law in case they were seen to be anti Islamic.
These invented notions to apologise for ill fitting doctrines.
There was an actual other piece on PM yesterday where they mention Islamic State without any so-called. It was to do with the bombing of a funeral in Afghanistan iirc. There's a link here with a notable absence of so called for your delectation: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-65842605
Anyhoo, the reason they did use that term was due to pressure from Parliament as they perceived a risk of it being given legitimacy without it (link: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/29/bbc-to-review-use-of-islamic-s... ie, they were just calling it IS but Cameron stepped in and told them to add in so-called.
But that's by the by. I only came on here to laugh at the blerts who were getting semis on for some muslim-hating only to find out that it was a christian, at which point, rather than talk about that, they just try to let it slip off the bottom of the page. Always funny that. Not that it'll stop the usuals going on about muslims again. That's a cert. I mean, there's surely a lesson in there about prejudice and bias and cognitive dissonance but I reckon some people just feel more cosy in their ignorance.
Anyhoo, the reason they did use that term was due to pressure from Parliament as they perceived a risk of it being given legitimacy without it (link: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/29/bbc-to-review-use-of-islamic-s... ie, they were just calling it IS but Cameron stepped in and told them to add in so-called.
But that's by the by. I only came on here to laugh at the blerts who were getting semis on for some muslim-hating only to find out that it was a christian, at which point, rather than talk about that, they just try to let it slip off the bottom of the page. Always funny that. Not that it'll stop the usuals going on about muslims again. That's a cert. I mean, there's surely a lesson in there about prejudice and bias and cognitive dissonance but I reckon some people just feel more cosy in their ignorance.
Nobody has a definition of terrorism but it seems that France are very reluctant to use the term since the terrible events in Paris a few years back. This bloke seems to be upset that France won't give him asylum from his home country of Sweden who have given him asylum. Too many of these refugees have been told that they will have the same or better standard of living than the local population in the host country and resent it when they don't. In my book anyone who goes round stabbing or shooting at random is a terrorist.
Is it confirmed that's the reason, refugee thing rejected? Last I saw was a report from about an hour ago saying motives were still unknown. The guy on PM was drawing lines between him being separated from his wife and child and him attacking other toddlers. But still don't think anything is confirmed one way or the other.
I don't really understand it. He was granted it in Sweden. Unless he's being terrorised there why does he need to apply elsewhere? Has he applied for asylum in France too? Is that confirmed?
I don't really understand it. He was granted it in Sweden. Unless he's being terrorised there why does he need to apply elsewhere? Has he applied for asylum in France too? Is that confirmed?
That link is hilarious.
How is Islamic state not Islamic?
They say it’s not a state, but that was/ is their objective, to create one through oppression.
As I said, the unilateral and artificial apologist doctrine that paints themselves into a corner.
Apparently the ones who hold the original scripture sacred for its warts and all are mad….while the ones who simply say Muhammad ascended to heaven on a winged horse are quite sane.
How is Islamic state not Islamic?
They say it’s not a state, but that was/ is their objective, to create one through oppression.
As I said, the unilateral and artificial apologist doctrine that paints themselves into a corner.
Apparently the ones who hold the original scripture sacred for its warts and all are mad….while the ones who simply say Muhammad ascended to heaven on a winged horse are quite sane.
There is a link between religion and heredity genetics
This is why countries such as Britain became so peaceful
and successful as a society , along with a few other unplanned
and unknown but happy coincidences .
That’s why mass immigration into Europe and
Britain is a very dangerous thing
This is why countries such as Britain became so peaceful
and successful as a society , along with a few other unplanned
and unknown but happy coincidences .
That’s why mass immigration into Europe and
Britain is a very dangerous thing
The Christian religion had some very specific
genetic advantages .. for individuals and for countries of course that’s a generalisation
genetic advantages .. for individuals and for countries of course that’s a generalisation
and of course horsesh!t
but it's lfc, so you take that as read
but it's lfc, so you take that as read
Now what do we know ?
We know he lived in Sweden .. but wasn’t Swedish
We know he lived in France .. but wasn’t French
We know he lived in Sweden .. but wasn’t Swedish
We know he lived in France .. but wasn’t French
By the way Sweden and France were a product of the people
who lived in these countries , and the evolution of the people
who lived in those countries produced Sweden and France
It’s evolution .. but of course that no longer works because of
mass immigration
who lived in these countries , and the evolution of the people
who lived in those countries produced Sweden and France
It’s evolution .. but of course that no longer works because of
mass immigration
By the way Christianity played a major part
in the evolution of the people of Sweden and France and the countries
in the evolution of the people of Sweden and France and the countries
Don’t worry about sleeping in parks by the way
It’s not so bad , not bad at all in England eg
As long as people don’t attack you
It’s not so bad , not bad at all in England eg
As long as people don’t attack you
That Geezer who blew himself up in A taxi Outside a womans hospital was a Christian
Seven years before the incident he was sectioned after trying to kill himself and waving a knife in Liverpool city centre; following this he converted from Islam to Christianity in 2015
The Bishop Banger of Liverpool Christened him
A few of them Like to change their Religion ,They think it helps with the Process .
Seven years before the incident he was sectioned after trying to kill himself and waving a knife in Liverpool city centre; following this he converted from Islam to Christianity in 2015
The Bishop Banger of Liverpool Christened him
A few of them Like to change their Religion ,They think it helps with the Process .
I don't know about this specific case, but there is plenty of evidence of 'lawyers' using the tactic of 'asylum seekers' being persecuted because they are claiming to be 'Christian'. Hint, they aren't actually Christians.
The same as claiming to be gay (they aren't gay) or minors (mostly aren't).
The London Bridge murders happened at a conference for 'rehabilitated' offenders. Hint, they lie, and hide their true ideology.
The same as claiming to be gay (they aren't gay) or minors (mostly aren't).
The London Bridge murders happened at a conference for 'rehabilitated' offenders. Hint, they lie, and hide their true ideology.
Can you please share this evidence of lawyers acting to trick judges and in ways that would get them disbarred if discovered. If mean, if there's plenty out there it should be dead easy.
Google is your friend. Hint, if lawyers are using that technique, they aren't going to admit it publicly.
Are you trying to claim that illegal boat people and illegal people in the country already don't lie to use any technique possible to try and resist deportation ?
Are you trying to claim that illegal boat people and illegal people in the country already don't lie to use any technique possible to try and resist deportation ?
It's quite weird anyway how the media appeared to be publicly declaring what religion this animal is meant to be following, within hours of his butchery. The point I'm making here is that anyone can 'join' any religion, it doesn't mean that is what they genuinely believe. My Dad got baptised, but only as my Mum wanted a church marriage, full white wedding etc. He lied his way through it until the wedding and then never saw the inside of a church again.
I wrote about this on here before, I have first hand experience of people reporting to me that were in this country as 'students'. They weren't students, they were tamil tigers, sharing a big house and sending all of the money they earned over expenses back home to support their side in the civil war. As it happened, they were lovely people, lovely to me anyway, hard grafters and I was not responsible for authorising or verifying their right to work.
Sir David Amess: MP murder suspect held under Terrorism Act
Published
17 October 2021
The man arrested by police following the killing of the MP Sir David Amess has been named as Ali Harbi Ali.
The 25-year-old is being held under the Terrorism Act and officers have until Friday to question him.
Whitehall officials confirmed the man's name to the BBC, and said he was a British man of Somali heritage.
The BBC understands Mr Ali was referred to the counter-terrorist Prevent scheme some years ago, but was never a formal subject of interest to MI5.
It also understands that his father, Harbi Ali Kullane, who was previously an adviser to Somalia's prime minister, has been visited by police who have taken his phone for analysis.
Sir David Amess murder: Ali Harbi Ali given whole-life sentence
Published
13 April 2022
IS fanatic Ali Harbi Ali has been given a whole-life sentence for murdering Sir David Amess MP.
Ali stabbed the Conservative MP for Southend West more than 20 times after tricking his way into a constituency surgery in Essex last year.
Published
17 October 2021
The man arrested by police following the killing of the MP Sir David Amess has been named as Ali Harbi Ali.
The 25-year-old is being held under the Terrorism Act and officers have until Friday to question him.
Whitehall officials confirmed the man's name to the BBC, and said he was a British man of Somali heritage.
The BBC understands Mr Ali was referred to the counter-terrorist Prevent scheme some years ago, but was never a formal subject of interest to MI5.
It also understands that his father, Harbi Ali Kullane, who was previously an adviser to Somalia's prime minister, has been visited by police who have taken his phone for analysis.
Sir David Amess murder: Ali Harbi Ali given whole-life sentence
Published
13 April 2022
IS fanatic Ali Harbi Ali has been given a whole-life sentence for murdering Sir David Amess MP.
Ali stabbed the Conservative MP for Southend West more than 20 times after tricking his way into a constituency surgery in Essex last year.
Of course, when this atrocity happened, all the establishment wanted to talk about, and flood the narrative with was discussing apparent online hate 
In fact, I would argue, it doesn't get 10% of the coverage it deserves. The certainly weren't stating that he was a Muslim / Islamist on the day it happened. Or after, on the bbc.
In fact, I would argue, it doesn't get 10% of the coverage it deserves. The certainly weren't stating that he was a Muslim / Islamist on the day it happened. Or after, on the bbc.
There is only one way to stop this happening.
and its so simple, but there's too much money involved in defending the rights of refugees in this country.
We need a massive change from the top. The silent majority will only take so much and be pushed so far before they rise
and its so simple, but there's too much money involved in defending the rights of refugees in this country.
We need a massive change from the top. The silent majority will only take so much and be pushed so far before they rise
Ali, from Kentish Town in north London, told the court he had plans to target various MPs, including cabinet minister Michael Gove.
He told his trial he was motivated by a desire to seek revenge against MPs who had voted for airstrikes on Syria.
He told his trial he was motivated by a desire to seek revenge against MPs who had voted for airstrikes on Syria.
ah, so you're switching from lawyers lying to people lying to lawyers.
there's a good chap.
Anyway, as predicted by (waves arms) everyone, none of the usuals have bothered questioning the role of christianity in this but instead have gone down the route of "he was probably lying and is still a muslim" and anyway here's some more bad muslims to back up my prejudice. Never change.
there's a good chap.
Anyway, as predicted by (waves arms) everyone, none of the usuals have bothered questioning the role of christianity in this but instead have gone down the route of "he was probably lying and is still a muslim" and anyway here's some more bad muslims to back up my prejudice. Never change.
Describing online racists as the silent majority is the best comedy since I'm Alan Partridge. Incredibly noisy minority in reality.
I'm not switching anything. If a lawyer tells his client it might help his case to prevent deportation if he says he's Christian, then there's a fair chance he will do that. Become a Christian, or go back to your third world existence. It's not exactly quantum physics.
Cider is quite right, becoming a Christian is a standard ploy. This part of Birmingham is attractive to Muslim immigrants as there is a large and diverse community. My wife has seen a number of them come to her church saying they want to be Christians. They are welcomed with open arms, helped with their applications and given what they need. As soon as they get their residency papers they disappear and never return to the church, not a single one.
Jun 9, 2023 -- 4:08PM, Cider wrote:
I'm not switching anything. If a lawyer tells his client it might help his case to prevent deportation if he says he's Christian, then there's a fair chance he will do that. Become a Christian, or go back to your third world existence. It's not exactly quantum physics.
ok, then. You're back to lawyers advising it. And you said there's plenty of evidence of it happening. Time to front up and provide some. Not resort to "you do it". I'm calling bullsh!t. Prove me wrong.
Foinavon has done it for you. You seem to think that what I'm claiming they are doing is illegal. It isn't, afaik. The fault in the process is that the authorities believe it, or at least refuse to accept that it isn't blatantly cynical, and not genuine. Exactly the same as the blatantly middle aged blokes pretending to be kids. Or rapists pretending to be women.
There's a distinction you're running away from though.
People lying to lawyers. In fairness, loads of people do it and focussing on one ethnic group is, well you know what it is. We had to baptise our daughter last year and did just what those people did. There are relatively harmless ways to game a system and you'd be thick not to. But when the stakes are higher and your choice is be honest and lose or lie to a lawyer and have a fighting chance? Well, what would you do.
Or lawyers themselves lying to and for their clients. Again, if you have the evidence of this then front up. Because, if it is lawyers doing it, then it may not be illegal but it would get them disbarred. You think they'll do that for one more immigrant when there's a hundred more queueing behind them?
People lying to lawyers. In fairness, loads of people do it and focussing on one ethnic group is, well you know what it is. We had to baptise our daughter last year and did just what those people did. There are relatively harmless ways to game a system and you'd be thick not to. But when the stakes are higher and your choice is be honest and lose or lie to a lawyer and have a fighting chance? Well, what would you do.
Or lawyers themselves lying to and for their clients. Again, if you have the evidence of this then front up. Because, if it is lawyers doing it, then it may not be illegal but it would get them disbarred. You think they'll do that for one more immigrant when there's a hundred more queueing behind them?
not a loaded comment PP...but 'you had to baptise your daughter last year' ??
Porky's wife is Italian so presumably Roman Catholic. My first wife is French so I'm aware of the rigmarole in getting married and the baptism of children in that religion.
What I'm trying to say is that there is an expectation from family and friends that certain ceremonies are performed yet the priest will not do it unless you pay lip service to the religion. Being an atheist I had to state certain terminological inexactitudes in order that everyone be satisfied.
I focused on one ethnic group, by explicitly confirming that my own Dad did it
Need to get rid of that critical race theory indoctrination Pineapple, it won't be healthy for you long term.
Need to get rid of that critical race theory indoctrination Pineapple, it won't be healthy for you long term.
Or lawyers themselves lying to and for their clients. Again, if you have the evidence of this then front up. Because, if it is lawyers doing it, then it may not be illegal but it would get them disbarred.
Why would there be any evidence? Only way there would be is lawyers admitting doing it.
If the only way to get caught for something is to own up to it, then you just don't own up to it.
I had to state certain terminological inexactitudes in order that everyone be satisfied.
quite
quite
The adjective is obtuse. Pineapple seems to agree that people will sign up to a certain religion to achieve some objective, when they do not actually believe in that religion. Alluding a possible fact that he did it himself. Apart from if they are clients of immigration lawyers, fighting off deportation back to their 'war torn' third world country of origin 
Jun 9, 2023 -- 6:27PM, brentford wrote:
not a loaded comment PP...but 'you had to baptise your daughter last year' ??
Did the first one when she was a baby. Second was born in Malta, though we moved back a year later. Couldn't really arrange and get all the family together and it slipped down the list of priorities. Due to the ridiculous way our school system is run, she needs to be catholic to get into our preferred senior school, so off to church we went.
cider misunderstands (again).
I'm sure plenty refugees will lie to get away from their hellhole. Claiming they're terrorised christians seems a good plan to me.
Applying that to everyone, including this guy with his name meaning something christian, and the evidence of him muttering about christ while stabbing kids, and trying to say "see, the others lied, so he's lying too" is the logic of the ninkompoop.
I'm sure plenty refugees will lie to get away from their hellhole. Claiming they're terrorised christians seems a good plan to me.
Applying that to everyone, including this guy with his name meaning something christian, and the evidence of him muttering about christ while stabbing kids, and trying to say "see, the others lied, so he's lying too" is the logic of the ninkompoop.
can certainly understand that PP...my first school was C of E on that basis...
Being an atheist I had to state certain terminological inexactitudes in order that everyone be satisfied.
Why?
Just find somebody who isn’t crazy.
My mother projected her madness on everyone in the household being superstitious. As a child I couldn’t do much about it, but as an adult I could.
Why?
Just find somebody who isn’t crazy.
My mother projected her madness on everyone in the household being superstitious. As a child I couldn’t do much about it, but as an adult I could.
Have you ever been married dusty?
She wasn't crazy it was societal, the community she was brought up in. Rural France 50 years ago was and still is rather different from urban Britain today.
She wasn't crazy it was societal, the community she was brought up in. Rural France 50 years ago was and still is rather different from urban Britain today.
Married?
No
You mean that legal contract that states you promise to always feel a certain way, and the moment you don’t can get punished for it?
No
You mean that legal contract that states you promise to always feel a certain way, and the moment you don’t can get punished for it?
Jun 9, 2023 -- 6:58PM, Cider wrote:
I focused on one ethnic group, by explicitly confirming that my own Dad did it Need to get rid of that critical race theory indoctrination Pineapple, it won't be healthy for you long term.
This would be a lot less ironic if the whole critical race theory hysteria among a certain ever hysterical and led on fringe wasn't a big grooming and indoctrination job.
As the guy who started the disinformation campaign and critical race theory hysteria even freely admits.
Jun 9, 2023 -- 4:29PM, Foinavon wrote:
Cider is quite right, becoming a Christian is a standard ploy. This part of Birmingham is attractive to Muslim immigrants as there is a large and diverse community. My wife has seen a number of them come to her church saying they want to be Christians. They are welcomed with open arms, helped with their applications and given what they need. As soon as they get their residency papers they disappear and never return to the church, not a single one.
Doesn't this land them in eternal afterlife flames, or at least prevent them from getting all them virgins of genders, if they are actually muslims instead of...let's describe it as muslims simply by birth?
This would be a lot less ironic if the whole critical race theory hysteria among a certain ever hysterical and led on fringe wasn't a big grooming and indoctrination job.
As the guy who started the disinformation campaign and critical race theory hysteria even freely admits.
What are you talking about?
As the guy who started the disinformation campaign and critical race theory hysteria even freely admits.
What are you talking about?
Something I mentioned specifically to you at least two times in the past.
The gloating
Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️
@realchrisrufo
We have successfully frozen their brand—"critical race theory"—into the public conversation and are steadily driving up negative perceptions. We will eventually turn it toxic, as we put all of the various cultural insanities under that brand category.
8:14 PM · Mar 15, 2021
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1371540368714428416
You can also find additional information on how it all started at e.g. Rufo's wikipedia or
https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conservative-activist-invented-the-conflict-over-critical-race-theory
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/christopher-rufo-and-the-critical-race-theory-moral-panic.html
Had you never wondered how suddenly a bunch of people who never choose to do any research started being all hysterical about this evil term?
The gloating
Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️
@realchrisrufo
We have successfully frozen their brand—"critical race theory"—into the public conversation and are steadily driving up negative perceptions. We will eventually turn it toxic, as we put all of the various cultural insanities under that brand category.
8:14 PM · Mar 15, 2021
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1371540368714428416
You can also find additional information on how it all started at e.g. Rufo's wikipedia or
https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conservative-activist-invented-the-conflict-over-critical-race-theory
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/christopher-rufo-and-the-critical-race-theory-moral-panic.html
Had you never wondered how suddenly a bunch of people who never choose to do any research started being all hysterical about this evil term?
It's ironically Trump who gets the entire MAGA movement (and associates) regarding their buzzwords. Though it was a dig at DeSantis and of course ironic because he does, or at least did, choose to do it himself for his own grooming efforts regarding e.g. CRT despite obviously knowing better.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1664307437371809792
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1664307437371809792
It doesn't matter what label you put on it, what terminology is used, what underlies critical race theory exists. Big time. Teaching people that there are the oppressed (non white) and oppressors (white). That the oppressors (white) are guilty by default. That the oppressed (not white) are innocent by default. That anything perceived to be bad that happens to the oppressed is due to them being not white, caused by the oppressors (whites).
So what we have here in the case that the OP is about, those who are steeped in critical race theory, after witnessing an animal hacking toddlers in a park and the identify of the offender can't be hidden, will reach for excuses as the perp is in the 'oppressed' group. Excuses for hacking toddlers in a public kids' playground are in short supply, the options are probably either 'mentally ill' or in this case 'Christian' (ie underlying white ideology).
In the linked chat, as PP is a 'believer', he cannot bring himself to admit what a blind man could see, that people can and do fake being a Christian in order to avoid deportation. This is because they are in the 'oppressed' group as he sees them. It is laughable, and tbh I don't care how or what this mindset it is labelled.
So what we have here in the case that the OP is about, those who are steeped in critical race theory, after witnessing an animal hacking toddlers in a park and the identify of the offender can't be hidden, will reach for excuses as the perp is in the 'oppressed' group. Excuses for hacking toddlers in a public kids' playground are in short supply, the options are probably either 'mentally ill' or in this case 'Christian' (ie underlying white ideology).
In the linked chat, as PP is a 'believer', he cannot bring himself to admit what a blind man could see, that people can and do fake being a Christian in order to avoid deportation. This is because they are in the 'oppressed' group as he sees them. It is laughable, and tbh I don't care how or what this mindset it is labelled.
Though as I also told you in the past, tobermory, I am convinced many of the people who appear groomed actually also know better themselves. They are not dumba and do not think "CRT CRT CRT CRT". They know it's all manufactured BS, but they play along for political and ideological reasons in their own manipulation efforts of people they consider dumb.
Cider • June 10, 2023 6:59 AM BST
It doesn't matter what label you put on it, what terminology is used, what underlies critical race theory exists. Big time. Teaching people that there are the oppressed (non white) and oppressors (white). That the oppressors (white) are guilty by default. That the oppressed (not white) are innocent by default. That anything perceived to be bad that happens to the oppressed is due to them being not white, caused by the oppressors (whites).
So what we have here in the case that the OP is about, those who are steeped in critical race theory, after witnessing an animal hacking toddlers in a park and the identify of the offender can't be hidden, will reach for excuses as the perp is in the 'oppressed' group. Excuses for hacking toddlers in a public kids' playground are in short supply, the options are probably either 'mentally ill' or in this case 'Christian' (ie underlying white ideology).
In the linked chat, as PP is a 'believer', he cannot bring himself to admit what a blind man could see, that people can and do fake being a Christian in order to avoid deportation. This is because they are in the 'oppressed' group as he sees them. It is laughable, and tbh I don't care how or what this mindset it is labelled.
You do realise the messages are available for people to read and hence fabrications like that are kind of silly. Kind of reminds me of your recent disinformation effort in the GB News thread, though even lazier and sillier.
He literally wrote, before you came along with your disregard of terminology and your groomed with buzzword:
PorcupineorPineapple • June 9, 2023 5:34 PM BST
There's a distinction you're running away from though.
People lying to lawyers. In fairness, loads of people do it and focussing on one ethnic group is, well you know what it is. We had to baptise our daughter last year and did just what those people did. There are relatively harmless ways to game a system and you'd be thick not to. But when the stakes are higher and your choice is be honest and lose or lie to a lawyer and have a fighting chance? Well, what would you do.
Or lawyers themselves lying to and for their clients. Again, if you have the evidence of this then front up. Because, if it is lawyers doing it, then it may not be illegal but it would get them disbarred. You think they'll do that for one more immigrant when there's a hundred more queueing behind them?
It doesn't matter what label you put on it, what terminology is used, what underlies critical race theory exists. Big time. Teaching people that there are the oppressed (non white) and oppressors (white). That the oppressors (white) are guilty by default. That the oppressed (not white) are innocent by default. That anything perceived to be bad that happens to the oppressed is due to them being not white, caused by the oppressors (whites).
So what we have here in the case that the OP is about, those who are steeped in critical race theory, after witnessing an animal hacking toddlers in a park and the identify of the offender can't be hidden, will reach for excuses as the perp is in the 'oppressed' group. Excuses for hacking toddlers in a public kids' playground are in short supply, the options are probably either 'mentally ill' or in this case 'Christian' (ie underlying white ideology).
In the linked chat, as PP is a 'believer', he cannot bring himself to admit what a blind man could see, that people can and do fake being a Christian in order to avoid deportation. This is because they are in the 'oppressed' group as he sees them. It is laughable, and tbh I don't care how or what this mindset it is labelled.
You do realise the messages are available for people to read and hence fabrications like that are kind of silly. Kind of reminds me of your recent disinformation effort in the GB News thread, though even lazier and sillier.
He literally wrote, before you came along with your disregard of terminology and your groomed with buzzword:
PorcupineorPineapple • June 9, 2023 5:34 PM BST
There's a distinction you're running away from though.
People lying to lawyers. In fairness, loads of people do it and focussing on one ethnic group is, well you know what it is. We had to baptise our daughter last year and did just what those people did. There are relatively harmless ways to game a system and you'd be thick not to. But when the stakes are higher and your choice is be honest and lose or lie to a lawyer and have a fighting chance? Well, what would you do.
Or lawyers themselves lying to and for their clients. Again, if you have the evidence of this then front up. Because, if it is lawyers doing it, then it may not be illegal but it would get them disbarred. You think they'll do that for one more immigrant when there's a hundred more queueing behind them?
And since in your latest post you wrote he "cannot bring" instead of "could not bring" [before your buzzword usage), I guess the following quote also suits to counter your fabrications:
PorcupineorPineapple • June 9, 2023 7:43 PM BST
cider misunderstands (again).
I'm sure plenty refugees will lie to get away from their hellhole. Claiming they're terrorised christians seems a good plan to me.
Applying that to everyone, including this guy with his name meaning something christian, and the evidence of him muttering about christ while stabbing kids, and trying to say "see, the others lied, so he's lying too" is the logic of the ninkompoop.
PorcupineorPineapple • June 9, 2023 7:43 PM BST
cider misunderstands (again).
I'm sure plenty refugees will lie to get away from their hellhole. Claiming they're terrorised christians seems a good plan to me.
Applying that to everyone, including this guy with his name meaning something christian, and the evidence of him muttering about christ while stabbing kids, and trying to say "see, the others lied, so he's lying too" is the logic of the ninkompoop.
Or lawyers themselves lying to and for their clients. Again, if you have the evidence of this then front up. Because, if it is lawyers doing it, then it may not be illegal but it would get them disbarred. You think they'll do that for one more immigrant when there's a hundred more queueing behind them?
yes I put him in a corner he could not get out of. his first instinct was to infer it wasn't happening, and ask me to put the 'evidence' on here
yes I put him in a corner he could not get out of. his first instinct was to infer it wasn't happening, and ask me to put the 'evidence' on here
Again, you realise that the entire chat is available to be re-read? He took offence to the suggestion that lawyers en masse actively tell their clients to pretend being Christians. Maybe he has lawyer family or, unlike you, is someone who doesn't very evidently have problems with certain career choices, contrary to your repeated, transparent virtual signalling to the contrary.
I hope you realise that is distinct from clients telling their lawyers they are Christians or looking to convert. Something PorcupineorPineapple at no point argued against.
I hope you realise that is distinct from clients telling their lawyers they are Christians or looking to convert. Something PorcupineorPineapple at no point argued against.
It's palpably entirely possible that this animal 'turned to Christianity' to avoid deportation. As I said at the beginning, I do not know in this case for sure. However, I do know thousands of illegal immigrants have been pointed toward that tactic by their state funded lawyers. I do know therefore that, whilst it is being reported that he is a Christian (within hours of hacking toddlers in a playground), it's entirely feasible that Christianity is not his underlying ideology.
Cider • June 10, 2023 7:23 AM BST
It's palpably entirely possible that this animal 'turned to Christianity' to avoid deportation. As I said at the beginning, I do not know in this case for sure. However, I do know thousands of illegal immigrants have been pointed toward that tactic by their state funded lawyers. I do know therefore that, whilst it is being reported that he is a Christian (within hours of hacking toddlers in a playground), it's entirely feasible that Christianity is not his underlying ideology.
Know how?
It's palpably entirely possible that this animal 'turned to Christianity' to avoid deportation. As I said at the beginning, I do not know in this case for sure. However, I do know thousands of illegal immigrants have been pointed toward that tactic by their state funded lawyers. I do know therefore that, whilst it is being reported that he is a Christian (within hours of hacking toddlers in a playground), it's entirely feasible that Christianity is not his underlying ideology.
Know how?
How do anti-social computer eremites like you and me get to acquire such knowledge?
Do you, or he (quite possibly they) feel that it's entirely plausible that this animal is not a genuine, believing Christian. And that either that option was suggested to him by a lawyer, NGO or other sources in order to try and manipulate the system?
Y/N ?
Y/N ?
I will answer that after you were kind enough to answer mind.
It's called cognitive ability, edy. It's quite possible that you have some of that too. It isn't really that challenging to work out that illegal immigrants, appealing deportation, have found 'Christianity' whilst they are in europe, and could therefore then be claiming that they could not be deported due to the threat of persecution aren't actually genuine Christians.
It's the same sort of challenge as working out for yourself that thousands of people (mostly young men), who are safely on the borders of France having travelled thousands of miles to be safe, are then choosing to leap into a dingy and head into the open sea, aren't actually fleeing France to save their lives at a cost to them of thousands of euro. And are in fact taking that additional risk and expense as if they get halfway to the UK there is a fair chance that they will then get free healthcare, pocket money, dentistry, pizzas, three meals a day, wifi, and a £150 a night room in a nice hotel. And never be sent home.
You see, I don't think they are at that point of leaping into a dingy to cross the open sea, fleeing for their lives. I think it's a rational risk/benefit calculation on their part. I do not need to see it written down on a piece of paper, to know it is happening.
It's the same sort of challenge as working out for yourself that thousands of people (mostly young men), who are safely on the borders of France having travelled thousands of miles to be safe, are then choosing to leap into a dingy and head into the open sea, aren't actually fleeing France to save their lives at a cost to them of thousands of euro. And are in fact taking that additional risk and expense as if they get halfway to the UK there is a fair chance that they will then get free healthcare, pocket money, dentistry, pizzas, three meals a day, wifi, and a £150 a night room in a nice hotel. And never be sent home.
You see, I don't think they are at that point of leaping into a dingy to cross the open sea, fleeing for their lives. I think it's a rational risk/benefit calculation on their part. I do not need to see it written down on a piece of paper, to know it is happening.
Oh, and for me it's not hard to conclude either that illegal immigrants are a cash cow for immigration lawyers. That funnily enough, the incentive is there for them to keep the cash cow going for as long as possible, never ending appeals etc. Collateral impacts and cost to the native population are a least of their concern.
That's a lot of defelctive text to just say "I don't actually have the knonwledge I pretended to have". My turn to answer now:
I believe, but certainly do not know as I do not conflate knowledge with very own not necessarily deeply factually based assumption and belief, it is possible that this person was not a "genuine, believing Christian". Though of course the bible is one heck of a hellaciously violent and obscene book, so it would not surprise me either if people have their own interpretation that justifies discrimination and plain violence.
I furthermore believe, but certainly do not know as I do not conflate knowledge with very own not necessarily deeply factually based assumption and belief, that it can and probably has happened that the mentioned participates tell migrants to game the system. The lawyers by far however being the least likely of mentioned perpetrators.
I believe, but certainly do not know as I do not conflate knowledge with very own not necessarily deeply factually based assumption and belief, it is possible that this person was not a "genuine, believing Christian". Though of course the bible is one heck of a hellaciously violent and obscene book, so it would not surprise me either if people have their own interpretation that justifies discrimination and plain violence.
I furthermore believe, but certainly do not know as I do not conflate knowledge with very own not necessarily deeply factually based assumption and belief, that it can and probably has happened that the mentioned participates tell migrants to game the system. The lawyers by far however being the least likely of mentioned perpetrators.
Well, impress me then and tell me how anti-social computer eremites like you and me get to acquire such knowledge then? How do you know thousands of illegal immigrants have been pointed toward that tactic by their state funded lawyers?
You know, these people travel in groups. They will largely prepare to an extend before even traveling. They have internet where they can read all of our musings on how to best cheat the system if one wants to do so. They are professionally trafficked. Yet they arrive without a clue, without a plan, without the slightest idea and it is apparently largely up to the nefarious lawyers who have to tell their clients "No no no no no no no no no no no no, what in the name of all things rainbows and unicorns is wrong with you? You are not Ali, a faithful Iranian Shia that is perfectly in line with the theocracy there. You are Peter, a faithful white male Christian from a western country like the USA. Everybody knows nobody on this planet is more persecuted than a white male Christian in the USA."?
Jun 10, 2023 -- 7:17AM, Cider wrote:
Or lawyers themselves lying to and for their clients. Again, if you have the evidence of this then front up. Because, if it is lawyers doing it, then it may not be illegal but it would get them disbarred. You think they'll do that for one more immigrant when there's a hundred more queueing behind them?yes I put him in a corner he could not get out of. his first instinct was to infer it wasn't happening, and ask me to put the 'evidence' on here
No, but that's not what happened.
You said lawyers are telling their clients to lie. You've just repeated it. You know it for a fact apparently. Therefore you must surely have evidence to support it. I'm once again calling bullsh1t and asking you to evidence up and not twist and run away again.
Press realise - Jan 25 2023 ( America ):
Attorneys and Associate of Immigration Law Firm
plead guilty to participating in asylum fraud scheme
The Law Firm advised certain of its clients regarding the manner
in which they were most likely to obtain asylum - fully understanding
that those clients did not qualify for asylum
Attorneys and Associate of Immigration Law Firm
plead guilty to participating in asylum fraud scheme
The Law Firm advised certain of its clients regarding the manner
in which they were most likely to obtain asylum - fully understanding
that those clients did not qualify for asylum
Perhaps pineapple and edy will offer Cider an apology ..
It just takes a little bit of common sense that’s all to understand that you can’t trust anyone - even lawyers
And especially leftie ones
It just takes a little bit of common sense that’s all to understand that you can’t trust anyone - even lawyers
And especially leftie ones
Before I post the apology, can you do a fabrication like Cider repeatedly did earlier in this thread to showcase a quote of mine where I said it wasn't happening at all?
I’m sure you didn’t - and cider never said it always happened
Or even happened in this particular case
He was merely pointing out that it was possible that lawyers
were and could act in a corrupt and dishonest way regarding bogus asylum claims
Or even happened in this particular case
He was merely pointing out that it was possible that lawyers
were and could act in a corrupt and dishonest way regarding bogus asylum claims
Jun 10, 2023 -- 6:36AM, edy wrote:
Something I mentioned specifically to you at least two times in the past.The gloatingChristopher F. Rufo ⚔️@realchrisrufoWe have successfully frozen their brand—"critical race theory"—into the public conversation and are steadily driving up negative perceptions. We will eventually turn it toxic, as we put all of the various cultural insanities under that brand category.8:14 PM · Mar 15, 2021https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1371540368714428416You can also find additional information on how it all started at e.g. Rufo's wikipedia or https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conservative-activist... you never wondered how suddenly a bunch of people who never choose to do any research started being all hysterical about this evil term?
So Rufo is at the forefront of toxifying CRT. Well done Rufo. Great that people like him raise awareness of CRT practices.
No, he's at the forefront of deliberately mislabeling and defaming a lot of unrelated things under a term that he chose because he thought it will sound scary to some.
It's not too dissimilar to shouting "SOCIALISM" for....a lot of things that have very little to do with socialism.
It's not too dissimilar to shouting "SOCIALISM" for....a lot of things that have very little to do with socialism.
But you anglophones are incredibly ....eccentric regarding stuff like that.
Or not too dissimilar to what Trump suggested in the clip I posted either. Stuff is just deliberately mislabeled "woke woke woke" because it's meant to sound ever so scary or crazy and half the time people don't even quite know why.
I can have Rufo gloat it out to you in yet more specific terms if you don't have the intention to research this yourself even though you have repeatedly shown concern regarding what he chose to manipulate you with.
Christopher F. Rufo
@realchrisrufo
The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think "critical race theory." We have decodified the term and will recodify it to annex the entire range of cultural constructions that are unpopular with Americans.
8:17 PM · Mar 15, 2021
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1371541044592996352
Christopher F. Rufo
@realchrisrufo
2. I am quite intentionally redefining what "critical race theory" means in the public mind, expanding it as a catchall for the new racial orthodoxy. People won't read Derrick Bell, but when their kid is labeled an "oppressor" in first grade, that's now CRT.
2:30 PM · Mar 25, 2021
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1375077707009024002
Christopher F. Rufo
@realchrisrufo
The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think "critical race theory." We have decodified the term and will recodify it to annex the entire range of cultural constructions that are unpopular with Americans.
8:17 PM · Mar 15, 2021
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1371541044592996352
Christopher F. Rufo
@realchrisrufo
2. I am quite intentionally redefining what "critical race theory" means in the public mind, expanding it as a catchall for the new racial orthodoxy. People won't read Derrick Bell, but when their kid is labeled an "oppressor" in first grade, that's now CRT.
2:30 PM · Mar 25, 2021
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1375077707009024002
I see, it's the leftie 'words mean what we say they mean' argument.
'Diversity', 'equity', 'white privilege' 'systemic racism' is all part of the same hustle.
Putting it all under CRT is perfectly reasonable.
Any complaints you or the woke sites you linked have is just pedantry.
'Diversity', 'equity', 'white privilege' 'systemic racism' is all part of the same hustle.
Putting it all under CRT is perfectly reasonable.
Any complaints you or the woke sites you linked have is just pedantry.
Of course words have a meaning, yes.
Play a thought experiment with you. Suddenly, say....Russians start deliberately redefining and deliberately mislabeling all sorts of things as e.g "nazism" with the clear and transparent attempt to manipulate people. Others point out what a huge load of nonsense it is. Do you also go and say "Oh I see. Nazism is suddenly only what the LEFTIES say it is. Who are the lefties to decide that Boris Johnson is not a full-fledged hardcore Nazi because...because after all, he....he........well because!?! Shut up lefties!"
Play a thought experiment with you. Suddenly, say....Russians start deliberately redefining and deliberately mislabeling all sorts of things as e.g "nazism" with the clear and transparent attempt to manipulate people. Others point out what a huge load of nonsense it is. Do you also go and say "Oh I see. Nazism is suddenly only what the LEFTIES say it is. Who are the lefties to decide that Boris Johnson is not a full-fledged hardcore Nazi because...because after all, he....he........well because!?! Shut up lefties!"
It is quite amazing and astonishing that Rufo can gloat about his manipulation so transparently, that he can literally tell folks he is redefining CRT as a scary/crazy sounding umbrella term for all things not-CRT, and people like you are just putting up the blinkers big time.
What's it with you people and your strong disregard for words? Cider, after endlessly moaning about marxism being the end game of T-H-E-M, was one day told it was actually THE GREAT RESET that was coming and when prompted on it
edy • March 12, 2022 8:56 PM GMT
I'm kind of disappointed the end game is The Great Reset instead of marxism now.
he said (quite similar to his remarks "it doesn't matter what label you put on it" earlier in this thread)
Cider • March 12, 2022 8:59 PM GMT
does it matter what you call it? regular peoples' lives are going to get worse, pretty quickly.
edy • March 12, 2022 9:05 PM GMT
Uhm...yeah, it kinda does matter when things have outlined objectives and definitions. I mean, you don't go having this conversation, do you
Cider: "They want MARXISM!!!"
Other person: "How so"
Cider: "Install marxism"
Other person: "How's that look like?"
Cider: "They want to make people's lives worse!"
Other person: "Oh, like in completely unchecked capitalism"
Cider: "Same thing really. What's it matter what we call it? Capitalism, Marxism, Great Reset, Neoliberalism...all the same thing."
...actually you are probably just the kind of person who would have that conversation.
edy • March 12, 2022 8:56 PM GMT
I'm kind of disappointed the end game is The Great Reset instead of marxism now.
he said (quite similar to his remarks "it doesn't matter what label you put on it" earlier in this thread)
Cider • March 12, 2022 8:59 PM GMT
does it matter what you call it? regular peoples' lives are going to get worse, pretty quickly.
edy • March 12, 2022 9:05 PM GMT
Uhm...yeah, it kinda does matter when things have outlined objectives and definitions. I mean, you don't go having this conversation, do you
Cider: "They want MARXISM!!!"
Other person: "How so"
Cider: "Install marxism"
Other person: "How's that look like?"
Cider: "They want to make people's lives worse!"
Other person: "Oh, like in completely unchecked capitalism"
Cider: "Same thing really. What's it matter what we call it? Capitalism, Marxism, Great Reset, Neoliberalism...all the same thing."
...actually you are probably just the kind of person who would have that conversation.
You only have to see who is joining the profession. More and more by the day. Immigration is their speciality. The demographic is against you.
300/20,000 will tip it.
300/20,000 will tip it.
that he can literally tell folks he is redefining CRT as a scary/crazy sounding umbrella term for all things not-CRT,
Still not getting your point.
Seems Rufo collates all the woke crap theories and practices related to race and helpfully assigns it all under one term.
Whether it is 'correctly labelled' or not is neither here nor there.
Maybe you could explain the profound differences advocates of CRT have with other Woke race theories?
Still not getting your point.
Seems Rufo collates all the woke crap theories and practices related to race and helpfully assigns it all under one term.
Whether it is 'correctly labelled' or not is neither here nor there.
Maybe you could explain the profound differences advocates of CRT have with other Woke race theories?
If you are not getting the point we can do it step by step:
edy • June 10, 2023 3:13 PM BST
Is Trump wrong regarding the "woke woke woke"?
edy • June 10, 2023 3:13 PM BST
Is Trump wrong regarding the "woke woke woke"?
The suspect in a knife attack in which four toddlers and two pensioners were wounded in the southeastern French town of Annecy on Thursday has been placed in detention, the local prosecutor said on Saturday.
The suspect, a Syrian refugee born in 1991, is under formal investigation for attempted murder and resisting arrest with a weapon, the prosecutor said.
The injured are no longer in critical condition, Annecy Prosecutor Line Bonnet-Mathis told a news conference, adding that the four children were still in hospital.
The stabbing was the first violent attack targeting children since 2012, when gunman Mohamed Merah shot three Jewish children and one of their parents, and then three soldiers, in Toulouse in 2012.
The suspect has chosen not to speak while in police custody and when presented before judges, the prosecutor said.
He was examined by a psychiatrist who considered that he was fit to be held in custody.
Drug and alcohol tests were negative.
"Presently it is premature to assess his motivations," Bonnet-Mathis said, reiterating that there was no indication yet that terrorism was the assailant's motivation.
BFM television said the suspect was being held in solitary confinement at Aiton prison in the region of Savoie, some 80 km (49.71 miles) from Annecy.
The suspect was granted asylum in Sweden 10 years ago, having arrived from Turkey. The prosecutor said the man was believed to be married with a young child.
He entered France in October 2022, having travelled through Italy and Switzerland, she said, adding that he had no police record in France and was thought to be homeless.
His request for asylum in France was refused on the grounds that Sweden had already approved one.
Witnesses told investigators that they heard the suspect call out for "his wife, his daughter" and shouted "Jesus Christ", the prosecutor added.
On his arrest, police found a folding knife, two Christian faith images, a cross as well as cash and a Swedish drivers' licence.
The suspect, a Syrian refugee born in 1991, is under formal investigation for attempted murder and resisting arrest with a weapon, the prosecutor said.
The injured are no longer in critical condition, Annecy Prosecutor Line Bonnet-Mathis told a news conference, adding that the four children were still in hospital.
The stabbing was the first violent attack targeting children since 2012, when gunman Mohamed Merah shot three Jewish children and one of their parents, and then three soldiers, in Toulouse in 2012.
The suspect has chosen not to speak while in police custody and when presented before judges, the prosecutor said.
He was examined by a psychiatrist who considered that he was fit to be held in custody.
Drug and alcohol tests were negative.
"Presently it is premature to assess his motivations," Bonnet-Mathis said, reiterating that there was no indication yet that terrorism was the assailant's motivation.
BFM television said the suspect was being held in solitary confinement at Aiton prison in the region of Savoie, some 80 km (49.71 miles) from Annecy.
The suspect was granted asylum in Sweden 10 years ago, having arrived from Turkey. The prosecutor said the man was believed to be married with a young child.
He entered France in October 2022, having travelled through Italy and Switzerland, she said, adding that he had no police record in France and was thought to be homeless.
His request for asylum in France was refused on the grounds that Sweden had already approved one.
Witnesses told investigators that they heard the suspect call out for "his wife, his daughter" and shouted "Jesus Christ", the prosecutor added.
On his arrest, police found a folding knife, two Christian faith images, a cross as well as cash and a Swedish drivers' licence.
good news that the victims are out of danger
Lawyers charging £10,000 to make fake asylum claims: Special investigation exposes staff at immigration law firms briefing clients on how to LIE to the authorities to win the right to stay in Britain
Legal advisers agreed to help a reporter posing as a migrant get refugee status.
Lawyers are charging thousands of pounds to submit false asylum and human rights claims for illegal immigrants.
Staff at solicitors’ firms readily agreed to help an undercover Mail reporter posing as an economic migrant get refugee status.
This was despite being told he had no legitimate reason to stay in the UK after arriving on a small boat.
VP Lingajothy asked for £10,000 to invent a horrific back story to use in the asylum application. This included claims of sexual torture, beatings, slave labour, false imprisonment and death threats that left him suicidal and compelled to flee to the UK.
The legal adviser promised he could get a doctor’s report to back up the story and produced anti-depressants to be given to the Home Office as ‘evidence’ of psychological trauma.
.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333013/Immigration-law-firms-LIE-authorities-win-asylum.html
Oh dear.
Legal advisers agreed to help a reporter posing as a migrant get refugee status.
Lawyers are charging thousands of pounds to submit false asylum and human rights claims for illegal immigrants.
Staff at solicitors’ firms readily agreed to help an undercover Mail reporter posing as an economic migrant get refugee status.
This was despite being told he had no legitimate reason to stay in the UK after arriving on a small boat.
VP Lingajothy asked for £10,000 to invent a horrific back story to use in the asylum application. This included claims of sexual torture, beatings, slave labour, false imprisonment and death threats that left him suicidal and compelled to flee to the UK.
The legal adviser promised he could get a doctor’s report to back up the story and produced anti-depressants to be given to the Home Office as ‘evidence’ of psychological trauma.
.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333013/Immigration-law-firms-LIE-authorities-win-asylum.html
Oh dear.
Shocking stuff TBH Knife men Axemen the lot covered ,Lets not forget the Scouse Bishop and the Christian Convert , who tried to blow up a Hospital , some really fine Chaps Among us ..
Any further news on the Nottingham Night prowler ? Wonder if he paid the 10 k Lawyers
Any further news on the Nottingham Night prowler ? Wonder if he paid the 10 k Lawyers
If the civil service had anything about them they would retrospectively investigate all the work of these particular fraudsters. At the very least.
Many people along the chain of this sham receives a scalping. Until the hard working UK taxpayer at the end of the chain, the one getting scalped.
Many people along the chain of this sham receives a scalping. Until the hard working UK taxpayer at the end of the chain, the one getting scalped.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66299186
its been that long I forgot about this Mob ,Belgium
its been that long I forgot about this Mob ,Belgium
Well well here we go , lawyers
cider correct .. again
Maybe pp and edy might listen next time and learn !
maybe not
cider correct .. again
Maybe pp and edy might listen next time and learn !
maybe not
“This is what we are up against “ said the PM
“ the Labour Party , a subset of lawyers , criminal gangs -
They’re all on the same side, propping up a system of
exploitation - that profits from getting people to the U.K. illegally
Well said
Oh , and now the bar council attacks the PM , lol
“ the Labour Party , a subset of lawyers , criminal gangs -
They’re all on the same side, propping up a system of
exploitation - that profits from getting people to the U.K. illegally
Well said
Oh , and now the bar council attacks the PM , lol
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