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Do you wish you had been born in another country other than the UK??
Do you wish you had been born in another country other than the UK??
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Sorry Foin, you are not making a fair comparison as you know well.
It's not the appreciation or lack of in a foreign land that's the subject of Kelly's post. It's a very different situation when it's in you're own homeland, and an occupied one at that. Let's be honest and fair with the comparisons. Once again I'll repeat, the mindset of the oppressed is not the same, the mindset of the occupied is not the same, choice is not the same, opportunity is not the same. Let's stick to the facts, the realities, and not the good fortune of those on the 'mainland' |
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lfc's handle on discrimination beggars belief . The organisation in question was run largely by 3 groups , viz The orange order , the masonic , and the old boys network ( protestant schools exclusively , catholics were seriously under represented in the work force) . The result of the enquiry was front page news at the time . Anyone who doubted systematic discrimination practices operating within the organisation would be doubted mentally unstable .
Anyway lfc,s judgement on discrimination would be just as flawed as his overall application of sense and fair play . The jibe about free education would pre suppose that my brother in laws parents were free loaders and did not pay their way in funding the "free " education . Nothing could be farther from the truth , they always paid their way . But of course if you throw mud , some sticks , particularly in the minds of those who refuse to acknowledge the truth . |
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I'm not in favour of discrimination of any type Pecker although "occupied" with regard to NI is contentious.NI is occupied by its citizens who happen to be British, I don't consider the claim of Irish nationalists to be valid. They waged a civil war during the last century that still smoulders and you have to consider accusations of discrimination in that context. As for being mobile, it is a necessity unless you are prepared to work at a basic level. I couldn't find a suitable job in my home town and moved first to London and then to France to find what I had hoped for. Millions of people are currently doing the same thing.
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Or would try France for a job had the half wits
not voted to prevent it. |
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Nobody has prevented it, you just have more bureaucracy to contend with. I got my residency and job before Heath foolishly took us into the common market. I had to queue up with Algerians who had a better residency claim than I and my prospective employer had to give assurances that he couldn't find an equally qualified local to do the job but I see that as normal.
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Even while i was living there after joining the EEC I only ever met a handful of Brits working in France, mostly professional people. There is a significant language barrier and most Brits wanting to work overseas migrated to English-speaking countries. The so-called brain-drain was mainly to the USA which for its own reasons is not a member of the EU.
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lfc asserts that NI was a great place to grow up in in the 70's and 80's . Tripe .
NI was essentially a battlefield from 1970 through to 1990 , everyone spent their time looking over their shoulder, wondering when their luck might run out . My children operated on a very short lease , lots of areas ( and inhabitants) were off limits . The only thing which kept us in NI was family , and we had enough relations / friends in the south of Ireland to make it easy for us to holiday etc regularly . Moving to England was no way attractive , I had to spend lots of time travelling ( associated with work ) , mainly to London and Manchester . I did not see anything in those travels which made England attractive as a place to live in . Too many people , and the coasts were not within easy access , not to mention the lack of decent golf courses such as we have on our doorstep here . Golf was the saviour of a lot of us in those turbulent years , the golf course was a haven of peace and tranquility and was a big escape route to normality for myself and my children who all played . One of our best players , an Irish international at the time , moved to outside London for work considerations . A year later he was back on holiday and I asked him about his golf .He said he had given up on golf as it took him an hour and a half to travel home from work from inner London , and then another hour to travel to a decent golf course . At home here that took 20 minutes in total . He more or less gave up his golf . Northern Ireland would be a very good place to live in if everywhere ( and everyone ) bought into the concept of a level playing field . Unfortunately the residual politics of the state conspire against peace and stability , and no one has a magic wand to rectify that . Northern Ireland is a British problem , created and maintained by the UK , only they can rectify any short comings . Within the EU , as the UK and the Republic both were members , there were lots of things in common , not least in easy trade, but Brexit has changed that , particularly in the minds of the unionist population .UK Voters were warned of the danger inherent in Brexit , affecting Irish / UK relationships , but the sage advice and warning was largely ignored "on the mainland" and by the DUP who actively campaigned for Brexit . The chickens have come home to roost. |
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ok , let’s take a look at that last paragraph from Kelly
Where did I mention or even allude to anyone being a ‘ free loader ‘ I said that anyone and everyone who went to Queens University in the 1950s .. 60s … and did so with zero student fees and doubtless a student grant , were by definition very privileged individuals And when they left ‘ school ‘ had the opportunity to live and work anywhere on these islands ,U.K. or south Ireland or indeed as foin was brave and competent enough to do just about anywhere in the world So once again Kelly stop making up things in your head that are untrue and dishonest and warped by your very , let me just say , not very intelligent mindset … oh and stop whining |
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Oh and by the way , don’t believe his sh1 te about N Ireland
in the 40s , 50s , 6Os , 70s, 80s,…. Do you know Van Morrison grew up in the backstreets of Belfast , just as the Beatles did in Liverpool Oh , and although Van the man was a genius … he came from nothing Say thankyou to NI .. and England .. and Britain |
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I agree with you about the stress of living in London. I had a long commute using buses and train and could only afford a tiny bedsit under the eaves of a terraced house with shared toilet and bathroom. I had to take an evening barman job to make ends meet. I was glad to get away after a few years but the work experience at a multinational was priceless.
With all respect you can't expect the preferences of NI to determine the future of the much larger population on the mainland. It's the EU that requires a customs border not the UK. The sticking point lies in the interpretation of the Belfast Agreement and the protocol is a botched job. |
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And he’s talking nonsense about ‘ turbulent years ‘
If you went to school , if you went to uni , or not by the way You had every opportunity to ignore any bombs or assignations by the IRA … oh and you could finish work and play golf And life was good .. for everyone . Don’t allow yourself to believe anything else THAT , is the truth |
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The fact is .. N Ireland was a very good place for Kelly and his family
to grow up in …He was very very fortunate to live in that country .. FACT |
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By the way … look at the way he dishonestly
twists things that are said ., such as ‘ free loaders ‘ Which were never said or even thought That’s the problem with Irish nationalists .. you can’t necessarily believe what they say .. just saying … |
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Wherever you live, life is a struggle for most people and often unfair. You have to try and make the best of it you can, preferably without doing harm to others. Most of all, avoid the green-eyed monster if you want to be happy, make your own niche and leave others to do the same.
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Very true foin .. now in intrigued
Let’s see how Kelly was impacted by these ‘ turbulent years ‘ Because so far I’ve seen no evidence of any such problems for Kelly .. how did the troubles and the barbaric IRA campaign effect him ..growing up , school , work and social life etc Let’s see if we can get some facts from this Irish nationalist ….. |
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Foinavon , reference the civil war in Ireland , that was fought mainly in the south and south west of Ireland between those who supported the "agreement" between Ireland and Britain which granted independence to 26 of the Irish counties and those who objected to that . It was brother versus brother , as brilliantly portrayed in the film " The wind that shakes the barley" .
In that agreement there was a provision that the "border" issue would be streamlined to facilitate local aspirations . That never happened , shades of India/ Pakistan etc . The "nationalist" population of the remaining 6 counties of Ulster were isolated within a "Protestant state for a Protestant people" . Expecting the nationalist people to become British was a pipe dream , akin to expecting the DUP to become Irish if a "united Ireland " was voted for as contained in the possibilities of the GFA. It never ceases to amaze me that English nationalism as exemplified by Brexit is deemed OK , while Irish nationalism is ultra vires . Ireland was a united island up to 1921 , albeit kept subjegated for 800 years by Britain . The last vote in that united island indicated that 85% of the population wanted independence for themselves . Wish not granted , and the smouldering referred to is largely due to the ignoring of that overwhelming vote , as well as the ensuing civil war . I think that the only solution to the "Northern Ireland" problem is for Northern Ireland to become essentially an independent entity , with ties to the UK and to the Republic , somehow subject to legislation jointly agreed by both those parties . In time the independent entity would be allowed to realign with whatever was acceptable to a comprehensive majority of its citizens . However any concept of the Irish state having a say on behalf of those living in NI who would prefer to be governed by the Republic is anathema to the DUP , so my scenario seems very unlikely . |
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ps he has already told lies about what I said
As I’ve explained |
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Ah the civil war .. that was before Kelly was born
So is neither here nor there Let’s see if he can come up to date … |
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I see my last post has been removed as well.
Yet the offending line which I quoted from someone else's post, can still be read in their original post. So the line is only offensive if it's delivered by me? Lol. |
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Let’s get this clear .. whatever anyone might have wanted or wished
100 years ago … is of no importance It’s what people living today want .. that is of greater value So cut the nonsense about the civil war .. they’re all dead |
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Dr C , I can’t understand why that has happened either
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Waiting for Kelly to tell us how he was impacted
by the iRAs campaign of murder and bombing … |
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I'm not suggesting there's any bias in the moderating.
I'd never suggest that, despite the total imbalance in what is removed and what is not. |
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lfc as usual spouting nonsense . Governments spend OUR money , nationalists marooned in Northern Ireland were subject to the same tax regime as those of unionist persuasion , both of the paid their taxes etc to the UK government. Education and other facilities were paid for by US , not due to the generosity of the government .
lfc conveniently forgets that there were more involved in the Troubles than the IRA . Hence why both protestants and catholics lived in constant fear of falling foul of any of the parties involved who had guns and bombs at their disposal. Including those colluding with state support . Most of us learnt how to duck and dive and avoid trouble , but sometimes peoples luck ran out and they became innocent victims . Translated to the UK population , the more than 3000 who died in the Troubles would represent 120,000 on the "mainland" . Think about it . |
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Well I must say I’m surprised most of my posts
aren’t removed dr c .. because they are honest and truthful and fair as are yours . But for some reason I seem to escape  Doubtless they will get mr eventually |
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120,000 on the "mainland" would represent a quarter of all those who died for Britain in the second world war( 480,000 approx , which included Irish citizens who joined up but were classified as British in death toll counts as officially they were not at war).
Perspective . |
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Yes we know the Republican bombing and terrorist campaign
caused horrific suffering …and continued despite the fact that m the majority wished to remain part of the U.K. Now despite that fact YOU , have not told us of how you suffered in these ‘ turbulent years ‘ … because I get the picture that you had a very privileged and good life Now go ahead , tell us what you are whining about …. |
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Oh and tell us what your brother in law
who went to Queens in the 1950s is whining about … |
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Oh , and a retraction that I referenced
yourself , or anyone in your family or indeed anyone as being a ‘ free loader ‘ Go ahead Kelly a retraction or an apology Or is that just another Irish nationalist lie ? ….. |
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Let’s see ….
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I don't know about me being born in a different country but I sincerely wish lfc had, he's an embarrassment to the UK.
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^ yawn , now charlie standing in his underpants ,
that would be embarrassing Let’s see if we get a retraction and an apology from Kelly for his lies …. |
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Most people dream of coming to live in the UK so I suppose being born here we miss out on that.
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Do you wish you had been born in another country other than the UK??
No. |
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Ackbula stuck in his time warp bubble.
1.1 million job vacancies that no-one is dreaming off taking.  |
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Anyway never mind all that
to get back to op despite all the present day problems that the U.K. faces ,if we think carefully , is there any other country that is more appealing really ? |
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Truthfully I don’t believe there is
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You really think a yank,Frenchman,German, Swede,etc etc etc would swap places? Nope everyone thinks their one countries are best unless 3rd world or basketcase.
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Those countries have many problems
yes at one time they might have appealed , not now |
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And all the other countries,Norway,Ireland Italy,Holland, Canada,Australia etc etc?
I imagine sone in that list of countries would say the UK was alright years ago but is a political basket case with a poor economic outlook now, sometimes you remind me of Dougal! |