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Whats is this Woman Guilty of
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Mex
Would you put ur hand in a fire if I shouted and swore at you to do it????? Honest answer please  |
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It's the same if you accidentally kill a burglar in your home, it doesn't seem to matter if the deceased was breaking the law at the time.
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Mexico. You say she is lucky to get away with 18 months but it seems she is rather more unlucky to have been convicted in the first place. How jailing this woman at all is in the public interest is beyond me. She certainly isnt a criminal by normal peoples definitions.
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Cyclists are a protected species Dotch, they can do no wrong. Goes with the green agenda.
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Dance
Another stupid pointless question. WTF has you, me & a fire got to do with this criminal getting away with only 18 months in jail for being responsible of a 77 year old death. The criminal walked away as her victim was dying. What a callous *****. 18 months ffs. |
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It's the same if you accidentally kill a burglar in your home, it doesn't seem to matter if the deceased was breaking the law at the time.
which cases are you thinking of? |
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Dot
It sounds in the public interest to me. She was found guilty of manslaughter. She is responsible for the death of a 77 year old. Very much doubt a male would escape with such a light sentence. |
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Imagine what the lads would be saying if it was a ethnic minority person. We'd be getting calls to bring back hanging
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Nothing to do with Kangaroo Courts people voicing Opinions ,Same as here
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Just as well its was not an Ethnic minority person on the Push Bike , Would mass media coverage for a week and probable riots
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Cant answer the question Mex......thought so. Adios.
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Gotta take my lad to footy training
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Dancing
I did answer your stupid question. I answered by pointing out what a stupid irrelevant question it was. It has nothing to do with the jury finding this criminal guilty & nothing to do with the judge letting her off with a slap on the wrist. 18 months ffs. She is responsible for the death of a 77 year old because of her criminal actions. |
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This criminal is also partially blind has cerebral palsy and cognitive issues. She also lives in sheltered housing. That may be the sort of criminal you like to see jailed but I dont.
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Dot
It is up to the prison authorities to decide if this criminal should be in prison or secure hospital. She is guilty of manslaughter. She walked away as her victim lay on the floor dying to get some shopping. The court decided that her condition wasn’t an excuse for her crime. She is a bully who picked on a 77 years old woman, I doubt the outcome would have been the same if she went after a 20 year old man. |
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Tony Martin is the infamous one A_T. There were several others but the one I remember was the Townsend one in Liverpool which was definitely OTT and he was lucky not to be serving a murder charge. Another killed a burglar and had to abandon his home because of death threats, can't remember the name offhand.
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Tony Martin is the infamous one A_T
Martin didn't kill someone accidentally - he shot him in the back. And it wasn't his home it was just a derelict house that he owned. |
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hadn't heard of the Townsend one but looked it up. Karl Townsend stabbed a man to death who was trying to steal his drugs - hardly accidental.
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This shared pavement thing seems like bollocks, def will be appealed based on judge's misdirection.
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Dave
Even it it wasn’t a shared pavement, does that mean it is OK at shout, abuse, threaten a 77 year old woman. Her death was a direct result of this behaviour. Would she have acted the same way if a 20 year old male was on the path. As it turns out it isn’t clear the criminal had the right of way anyway. Could have been shared. 18 months inside for manslaughter seems very soft. |
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Lol
Tony Martin & accidentally killing somebody. That was years ago & not an accident. |
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I'm not going to argue the ins and outs of those cases A_T I know you are only allowed to use minimal force or you end up in court. How on earth do you judge what is the minimal force when confronted by a criminal? You don't have time to be picky. Anyway, this is a digression from pavement cycling.
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would it have been OK for the perp to have physically pushed the cyclist into the road? after all bikes shouldn't be ridden on the pavement
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What do you think?
Would it be OK for a cyclist to run into a pedestrian who didn't jump out of the way? |
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The answers to both questions are of course no and no and illustrate what was well understood for past decades, that cyclists and pedestrians should not share the same space on the pavements. That also goes for motorised vehicles such as electric scooters.
The real problem is that this is no longer enforced and so situations like this will arise. |
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Looking at the video there is no evidence that the cyclist 'obeyed' the shouty woman and rode purposely into the road.
Seems she tried to ride outside of her at the edge of the pavement but the bike caught the kerb and she lost control. To give the cyclist enough room to safely pass without touching the kerb, the pedestrian would have needed to move out of the way pretty sharpish. That's what I would have done but I'm not sure it's a legal requirement. It would appear that there was enough room for the cyclist to pass on the inside so hard to see why they didn't do that. Perhaps going to fast to move across in time? |
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And of course the idea that is obviously a 'shared pavement' is ridiculous.
There is no room for pedestrians and cyclists to share it unless they are constantly weaving and dodging each other. |
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Ms Grey was arrested the following day and jurors were shown a recording of her police interviews.
She told police the path was wide enough for "maybe just two people shoulder-to-shoulder". Ms Grey, who has cerebral palsy, told officers she was partially sighted and it was "difficult" for her to "explain" distances. She described the pedal cycle as travelling "fast" in the centre of the pavement, stating she was "anxious that I was going to get hit by it". She said she "may have unintentionally put" out her hand to protect herself. Ms Grey believed she had made light contact with Mrs Ward. I don't know if by light contact has made any difference with the judgment? |
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Why wasn’t the motorist prosecuted?
''The Highway Code Rule 163 says to give cyclists, motorcyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would give overtaking a car.'' Where does it say, except when the cyclist is riding on the pavement? |
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Two people were breaking the law, the cyclist and the motorist.
The pedestrian who wasn't breaking the law gets sent to jail. The law is an ass. And so are the people that administer it. |
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Prosecutor Simon Spence KC said Grey shouted at Mrs Ward and "gestured in a hostile and aggressive way towards" her, causing her to fall off the bike and into the road where she was hit by an oncoming car.
Jurors heard the vehicle had "no chance to stop or take avoiding action" and Mrs Ward died at the scene. Don't think the driver had any chance of stopping or missing the cyclist. |
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It didn't seem too aggressive to me,kind of more adhd though that wasn't mentioned,still coming back to was it a cycle path or not.
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''The Highway Code Rule 163 says to give cyclists, motorcyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would give overtaking a car.''
Where does it say, except when the cyclist is riding on the pavement? where does it say the overtaking rules apply to the pavement? |
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Don't think the driver had any chance of stopping or missing the cyclist.
Which is why The Highway Code, tells motorists to give cyclists a wide berth. Was the motorist giving the cyclist ''at least as much room as you would give overtaking a car?'' |
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[b]Mexico 03 Mar 23 14:25
Loyal Many cyclists do pay road tax.[/b] Please advise us which ones and what category. |
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why is he she or they riding on a pavement ?
pavements are for pedestrians ...ffs |
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re the shared issue, I don't know where the incident took place but there certainly are shared cycle/pedestrian pavements in Huntingdon, according to streetview.
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Have either of you two esteemed, previous posters, ever heard of any cyclist, and of course of the pedal, self powering of their biped variety, paying a road tax? It;s certainly new to me if it happens.
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Mex will be Back on in the Morning with his Lycra gear on Loyal ... Believes he is in the Tour De France on his half mile trip to the paper shop .
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Mex will be Back on in the Morning with his Lycra gear on Loyal ... Believes he is in the Tour De France on his half mile trip to the paper shop .
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