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Listening to the spin doctors doing the media rounds this morning, what a bunch of forked tongue spivs. Endless lies and obfuscation.
Just give the nurses 10%+ already and move on to fixing the country.
Just give the nurses 10%+ already and move on to fixing the country.
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And then the police, and then the firemen, and then the council workers, and then the civil servants, and then the power workers. Where does it end?
Give in to one and you give in to them all. And then the private sector starts striking to try and catch up, and we’re in real trouble. |
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yes,it would be a sad state of affairs if these folk got a decent wage to have a decent standard of life.can we not just give hem some of zahawis old horse blankets?
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All NHS employees have good wages and good terms
and conditions of employment and can enjoy a happy and good life . |
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Granted everyone likes a pay rise to some extent
But don’t start thinking that their present rates of pay and conditions are not good , they are So start from that reality |
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nurses not able to pay rent ,using food banks .. U.k. good life
 deliberately sacrificed for over a decade Without nurses System failure , just hold the line  Eventually a deal will be done , Nothing Can Stop Whats Coming  |
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Nothing's gonna stop us now - Starship
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10% pay rise for public sector = 5p on basic rate of income tax.
Are we all up for that ? (Fine by me btw) If not which public services do we cut ? |
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All of them.
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Just give them 10%
We're just coming out of Covid which severly impacted on our economy and escapee calling for rises of 10%. |
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A 10% cut would be more realistic.
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Yes give them a pay rise cause they still need to pay for their choreographed dancing lessons
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No,because you want decent levels of health,law,education etc.
Unfortunately now an international laughing stock of a country mistrusted by most. Well played. |
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within a week of putin attacking Ukraine, Sunak found £41 billion to give to them in aid.
within a month of Northern rock collapsing, the government found £1 Trillion to bail out the banks. people are speculating that a 10% rise for the nurses will put 5p on income tax. we are already at a 70 year high tax burden (lol tory prudence), I would suggest that targeting tax havens & nom dom status would produce more than enough to balance the countries books. but but but? |
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I would suggest that targeting tax havens & nom dom status would produce more than enough to balance the countries books.
Sheer nonsense. |
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Back to class for Escapee on his numbers.
He also appears to have absolutely no concept of the difference between one off expenditure and embedded exponential annual expenditure. |
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Typical Tories.
Nice fat extra bonuses for the bankers who fund the Tories. More pay cuts for the nurses queueing at food banks. |
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Boris Johnson makes £1m from speeches after leaving Downing Street
Michele Mone and her children trouser £29 million of tax payer money into an offshore trust No money for the nurses? We can’t afford it? We are many, they are few |
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Why did the lamentable civil service approve the ppe contracts?
Johnson earning money on the after dinner circuit is completely irrelevant. All former PMs are on that gravy train, but the tax payer isn't on the hook. |
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The civil service is an irrelevance.
The Tories deliberately got their stinking hands in the till, and robbed all of us and they are still at it. |
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The civil service is absolutely not an irrelevance. Politicians do not directly approve contracts for public spending.
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All these strikes remind me of the scene in one flew over the cuckoos nest where Mcmurphy get fed up and just asks hard in to give cheswick a ciggerette
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Boris has earned over £1m since he was forced out just for telling drunks what a sh!t Prime Minister he was.
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Meanwhile Rasb is under investigation for bullying Civil Servants
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Oh they have not started on the LIAR Doris!
He will face scrutiny soon! |
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When I hear politicians talk about appropriate pay for nurses I often am left wondering if MPs work twice as hard as nurses?
Bet they don’t. Some option today, overwork as normal or stand outside on the coldest day of the year. |
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The problem is everybody thinks they are a special case and deserving of more - those that work and those that don't.
There just enough cake to give everybody as big a slice as they feel they deserve or need. |
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There is just not enough cake....
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But there's enough to lose quality staff and pay twice as much to agencies and private providers to fill the gaps. Not paying qualified nurses enough is economic illiteracy.
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There is a reason though Johnny why the cake is the size it is compared with the amount of need.
It’s a truism that work is not accurately valued properly. When capital makes money at a significantly quicker pace than effort the you are going to find discrepancies. All fine until you are the ones at the end of the problem. |
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Nurses are not leaving the nhs because of pay
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evidence?
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It’s just common sense , of course people will leave a job
for a better paid one sometimes . But it’s very rare for someone trained in a certain profession , especially a valued one with good pay and terms and conditions for some other job . It’s just not practical or sensible and you don’t throw away years of training etc like that |
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You need to realise at an early age that the cake is not given to you - you have to go out and bake your own.
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oh, common sense. Ahh well. Good to see you've based your sweeping statement on so much research
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Whatever you do tends to be determined early in your career and working life
You make that decision because it is sympatico to you . Of course sometimes people make a mistake early on and might change to another field , but that’s surprisingly rare |
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If we're using anecdotes, I know one nurse. Friend of my wife who trained to be a midwife around 12 years ago. Loved it then hated it. Felt undervalued and quit a couple of years ago. Now does cosmetics. Only an anecdote though.
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If you are a nurse or a doctor or even working in the nhs in office work or in labs etc
You will be very loath to leave that job . |
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The nurses are being used by political activists.
But they're easily worked up when they see diversity officers and suchlike on £70,000 a year, setting them stupid questionaries about race. With no responsibility regular hours and going home at five every day with no shifts. They've got a new layer of spongers now, net zero target officers. Get rid of them first before you ask the taxpayer to keep forking out. |