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By:
macarony
When: 07 Mar 22 23:18
Slow cooker or one of those pressure multi cooking pots.
Also stop janking on Sunday after all its the day of rest
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 07 Mar 22 23:43
This thread is making me laugh but I am going to make some sad contributions.

Ok first shampoo and conditioners totally unnecessary I am not sure how long the human race has been around but I am pretty sure early ****’s did not have plastic bottles of shampoo and conditioners
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 07 Mar 22 23:44
Early man, **** sapiens
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 07 Mar 22 23:45
ffs the ones that came after Neanderthals, us. Homosapiens!
By:
brentford
When: 08 Mar 22 06:50
The woman out of the band Texas never uses Shampoo or Conditioner (or didn't when they were more prominent)  - hair naturally finds it's optimum point of secretion...just use water to rinse out dirt and debris and you'd be fine...purely out of habit tend to still use a very tiny amount of shampoo but far from a necessity..
By:
Theoneandonly
When: 08 Mar 22 07:37
Report•Quote•Block User----you-have-to-laugh--- • March 7, 2022 7:48 PM GMT
Why?

Oil companies don't have increased costs.

They can chip in by selling oil at a fair price.

Doesn't take much for government's to organise

Like that time they got together to bail out
the banks...


Why do you think the government didn't scrap the vat on fuel and energy. Also with the fuel duty they will be getting loads more money into the government purse.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 08 Mar 22 09:49
Bread

We dont need bread. The price of bread is going to increase exponentially. I think Rus and Ukraine produce something like 40% of the World’s grain although I find that hard to believe.

In any crisis in the UK people rush for and hoard bread and milk.

Pasta is cheaper than chips, literally pence.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 08 Mar 22 10:03
Wheat
By:
clouded leopard
When: 08 Mar 22 10:05
Will be plenty of millions who need that wheat though


coupla sacks of flour in the garage just in case

chickpea flour worth a look too
By:
lapsy pa
When: 08 Mar 22 10:07
It is very complicated,energy and food are intertwined,ie fertiliser,co2 production. As far as i read up on it Ukraine this year will be having a fairly normal crop though the wheat price has gone through the roof.

Irelands government are working with the farmers on a plan this year to have some semblance of food security,surely that should be applied in the UK?  The building of houses on grade 1 arable land and 'rewilding' projects are shortsighted to say the least.
By:
logikal
When: 08 Mar 22 10:44
Think Russian / Ukraine wheat is about 25-30% of global not sure if thats production though as think it might just be exports.

The problem is with the conflict and sanctions no ships can get insured and so won't go anywhere near there so doesn't matter if there was wheat as they could not get it. Also on top of tat don't think the farmers will be doing much for this years crops with the prospect of Russians coming and taking it all.

Definitely think you are right lapsy regarding food security. There is a food crisis waiting to happen and what is worse is the government are advertising to plant for trees on farm land.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 08 Mar 22 10:51
Good informative post Logikal.

Google; RTE, Minister to discuss food security with farming groups in light of Ukraine conflict

They are taking this seriously and without being alarmist it is sensible. Only weeks away from crop planting so it is not the time to sit on your hands.
By:
lfc1971
When: 08 Mar 22 11:07
War is good for British farmers
Before the war farmers in Britain faced hard times
In 1914 Britain produced 40% of the food it consumed
During the war British production became more important
Many farmers made money from rising demand and wages of
skilled ploughmen and shepherds doubled
By:
brentford
When: 08 Mar 22 11:11
People could make a lot more use of their gardens if need be (appreciating not all have the luxury but would still help offset supply shortage)

not difficult to grow vegetables especially, in a self sufficient manner.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 08 Mar 22 11:19
Somebody needs to deliver the single sheet toilet paper saver including tearing the top corner offLaugh
By:
brentford
When: 08 Mar 22 11:24
use the free newspaper innit Mischief
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 08 Mar 22 11:35
Cutting the top corner off is true gold
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 08 Mar 22 11:35
Somebody ask why!
By:
brentford
When: 08 Mar 22 11:39
why ? Plain
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 08 Mar 22 14:09
USA to ban Russian oil imports
No gas for Europe then!!!
USA just happens to be nearly self sufficent in energy
Boris left stumped
Shocked
By:
sageform
When: 08 Mar 22 15:19
Last post from lfc is broadly true. My family were farmers from way back. Did OK in the first WW and just after, lost everything in the thirties depression (when land was "rented" for free by landlords to anyone willing and able to farm it), survived the war by supplying the local village and then my Father bought 340 acres from 10 years profit from 1956-66. Since then profitability was OK from 1972 when I joined the business until 1992 but then it got really hard. After 3 years making a loss and living on my wife's salary, we sold in 2000 and have never regretted it. The present conflict may or may not have a big affect in UK but it might raise the prices for a year or two. Don't forget the lead time involved in making farming decisions. 6-12 months for crops, 3 years to produce an extra bullock, 11 months to produce extra pigs etc. Anyone brave enough to plough grass this week and plant wheat instead might do very well-if they can get the fuel, labour, fertilizer etc. but by the time they come to sell in September the price might be back down again.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 09 Mar 22 18:36
BJ was asked about food security in PMQ's he ducked it,i presume zero is going to be done?

Meanwhile a multimillion package of support for farmers in Ireland for animal feed/fodder and tillage crops,this is trying to be done with organic fertiliser.

Potatoes only need the right equipment to harvest, a 2 man job,if the will is to not grow wheat diversify.
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 10 Mar 22 11:00
My regular pizza just gone up another
14%
Shocked
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 10 Mar 22 14:04
Here’s a great money saving idea for smokers

Switch brand to OP’s
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 10 Mar 22 14:05
fascinated by those who see energy bills set to rise by about £2,000 in 18 months - almost entirely because of global gas price spike - and then call for scrapping relatively modest (£153) green levies designed to move UK away from dependence on volatile imported gas
By:
sageform
When: 11 Mar 22 09:37
All sorts of things can be done if food prices rise above a certain level. My family stopped farming in 2000 because imports were priced at less than our cost of production-even if we gave our labour for free! I well remember a lecture at Uni when I studied Agriculture in the 1960s which told us that if every garden and park was used for food production, farmers would all be redundant. 98% of the population have lost the skills needed to grow their own food and have spent their lives buying it from a supermarket-most of it imported. I still live in a small village and some of my neighbours still grow most of their own fruit and vegetables but they are all over 60yo and a very small and vanishing minority. As far as potatoes are concerned, growing your own is cheap but farmers have had to invest in very expensive buildings kept at 10 degrees C to meet EU and supermarket demands. As a pig farmer I would have lost my contract to supply J Sainsbury if a single wild bird or rodent was found in the buildings where we stored grain or animal food. The countries from which we import do not have these strict rules.
As far as energy saving is concerned perhaps we can do a survey of how many hours each of us has any heating on during the winter. For us (a retired couple) it is 7 hours per day. 6.30 to 9.30am and 5-9pm from November 1 to march 31. If we feel cold during the rest of the day we put on another layer and that has been our habit for 40 years.
By:
moisok
When: 11 Mar 22 11:41
Whilst holding your feet up above the water in that damp soggy place.
I speak as an ex (and very smug) resident of High Ham!!
By:
Foinavon
When: 11 Mar 22 12:55
I used to rent an allotment, Sageform, and you can grow a surprising amount of food although you would need a lot more space to grow the amount of wheat an average family would need. The main problem I found is that you can't use any effective pesticides as the EU banned them, which means that a large part of the harvest was spoiled, spuds full of slug holes, or destroyed by blight. Farmers have a more effective range of remedies than the amateur gardener.
By:
sageform
When: 11 Mar 22 15:23
Exactly Foinavon so the EU imports them from countries that still use the chemicals. Same with animal welfare regs that put me out of business in 2000. I was not opposed to the regulations but I was not keen on competing with the rest of the EU countries that ignored them. As far as Westhay is concerned moisok, we are surrounded by wet ground but the village is a vital 30 metres above it and the local drainage from the Brue and North and South drains is very effective. It is at least2 degrees warmer than High HamGrin
By:
Foinavon
When: 11 Mar 22 15:44
I don't suppose DEFRA will reverse those decisions now. Towards the end, I just grew those items that had few pests as yet, beans, squash, marrow, Swiss chard, garlic, mint, artichokes and rhubarb. Other staples like brassicas, salad crops, onions, peas, tomatoes and potatoes had to be abandoned as the pests multiplied year on year.
By:
Foinavon
When: 11 Mar 22 15:52
Some gardeners bought nematodes to try and tackle the slug problem but they only persist for a short time and are so expensive that it wasn't an economic proposition when you can buy a sack of spuds for a few quid, the only effort required being to put it in your car boot.
By:
sageform
When: 11 Mar 22 15:56
That is why, until sprays were produced, farmers practiced 3 or 4 year rotation so no crop was grown in the same soil 2 years running. You also have to replace nutrients to the soil of course, either animal manure, artificial fertilizer or compost. Green policies will be sorely tested if food is rationed as it was when I was a child. Who will vote against pesticides when they are hungry?
By:
Charlie
When: 11 Mar 22 16:07
On a smallish scale, no-dig is the way to go: less work, less hastle, less pests without pesticides, healthier and better crops, more enjoyable. Charles Dowding is the guru.

I believe there are experiments going on to upscale the method.
By:
Foinavon
When: 11 Mar 22 16:34
I tried it charlie, and used it to the end with the winter squash. You have to have good weed-free soil to start with and it saves a lot of effort. It has no effect on pests as most slugs live in the ground and other pests such as leaf miners, leek moth, aphids, pigeons, butterflies, rust and blight are airborne. Squirrels did a lot of damage too. Some gardeners bought polytunnels at great expense and they were vandalised by two-legged rats who infest many urban areas as the police aren't interested. Formaldehyde slug pellets were rightly banned on our site as they poison the slugs' predators, birds and amphibians and we dug a pond for frogs on an empty plot. They didn't do much for the slug numbers though. As for compost, I made my own in four composter bins as well as a large quantity of leaf mould, This really helped soil quality and fed vast numbers of worms. For nitrogen and phosphorus, I used dried poultry droppings which is organic.
By:
Charlie
When: 11 Mar 22 16:52
Hi Foinavon, hope you are well.

If starting off with no-dig the idea is that you don't care about weeds at all to start off, you cover the growing area with cardboard, weeds and all, and then cover with compost (having compost to start with is a problem).

Pests thrive on weak plants, improving the soil produces healthier plants which reduces the bad guys. Netting may be necessary to reduce the likelihood of air borne pests - mesh size will depend on pests encountered. Beer traps work well for slugs as does just leaving something for them to lie under and then 'visiting' them in the morning. Spraying plants that have blackfly, aphid etc with water works well.

I do sometimes use ferrous phosphate pellets and they seem to be ok.

I'm talking back garden where two-legged pests are not a problem but four legged bird killers are.
By:
Foinavon
When: 11 Mar 22 17:17
Hi Charlie. We are just recovering from chest infections initiated by a respiratory virus (not covid) then becoming bacterial. Fortunately, antibiotics and corticosteroids are doing their job so we will survive another winter. Hope you are OK.
I agree your measures will improve things in a back garden where you can keep an eye on things. I've bought fleece mini-tunnels in the past to keep out onion fly but you come back a couple of days later and find it has partially blown over letting the pest in. Pigeons and blackbirds find their way through or under netting and I have come to my allotment and found pigeons trapped inside, not clever enough to get out again. Of course, I set them free without harm. An allotment site is a large expanse without effective windbreaks and the variety of crops helps the pests multiply. If you grow say cabbages in your backyard, the chances of 80 others living nearby doing the same are pretty slim these days. It used to be different just after the war with food rationing and little disposable income to feed a family. Everyone grew food in preference to lawns and flowers, or slabbing over as a play area although some flowers, usually pompom Dahlias brightened things up.
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 27 Mar 22 20:01
Start batch cooking
Grin
By:
shiny new shoes please
When: 28 Mar 22 13:31
Sleepy joe giving all homes free solar, sky high petrol
And food shortages
Save healthcare eat less
it's gonna be real ..
By:
dustybin
When: 28 Mar 22 14:04
If you work from home and boil the kettle a lot then think about getting an ADDIS Instant Pot

It boils water (5l) and then keeps it at a desired temp continually at a small energy cost of around 5w an hour

Considdering a keetle uses around 2-3000w each boil it saves considerable cost over the longterm and is very convienient instant source of boiling water.
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 28 Mar 22 14:23
PUT-IN to switch off gas to Europe
Bit late mate
Ive turned my system off
Getting a shower down the local gym
Laugh
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