EUSSR backs down.

Burt06 21 Oct 20 17:52 
You spongers can leave any time you like. If we get the referendum here it will be 99% to rid of us of a region of massive whingers and buckie lovers.


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Well tell that to the thousands of your fellow sassenachs living up here for Indy Ref 2. Thx.

It's a common mistake.

Burt tis only a brexit!

Back talking again this evening, hopefully a deal that suits both and no cutting noses to spite faces.

Oct 21, 2020 -- 11:25AM, Burt06 wrote:

I think you are confusing me with someone who gives flying fk what some half witted Leftard thinks - it happens.

I believe it's "half-witted".

Get it right edy, it's "half-witted leftard".

Didn't want to force him to process too much information all at once. I have literally seen cringe-righter brains explode from information overload. Very gory stuff.

If it happens to Burtieboy now, that's on you!

Burtieboy knows I wish him no harm.

Involuntary manslaughter is still something kind of unfortunate to potentially do to him.

Burtieboy has a brain the size of a planet, there will be no harm done.

must be a very small planet

I would settle for one of the larger Kuiper belt objects.

Boris has certainly been very clever pretending he was going to break ‘international law’
It’s worked a treat .

Looks as though the EU are going to have to build borders in Ireland,  or back down

Oct 21, 2020 -- 2:18PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:

must be a very small planet

Wallflower another Scot who doen't know the real meaning of the term sassenach.

Boris having played the EU like a fiddle is now getting a good tune.
Get that plinth ready for his statue.

Sassenach
Learn to pronounce
DEROGATORY•SCOTTISH
noun
an English person.

Sassenach is indeed a derogatory comment Richie.
It was an insult from Highlanders and referred to Lowlander Scots who the Highlanders didn't see as real Scots.
Over the years its meaning has drifted and is now used to define the English although real Highlanders stick true to its origins.

Boris and the EU together playing the Brextremists like a fiddle. Selling them their theatre successfully.

Never heard it before. In between the posts, I used the forum search engine and found this:

akabula • April 3, 2015 7:37 PM BST
@macaroni
We aint even a united people.
The term sassenachs was actually used by the highlanders to describe those in the borders and their description of those in the certral belt was rather derogatory.
Thank God that only just over a third voted yes. I think that it is a despicable act to try and break up the Union.

True Scots tend to be Rangers supporters we all know that
Celtic  and it’s supporters are mainly Irish

It is beautiful, nalin kane, open your eyes and see the child you are,a classic and powerful tune.

Talks resume tomorrow afternoon , EU of course required to come to London

You are gone bedamned since i told you about brexit in The Express lfc, i wonder did Burt have a good read of it and came on here? he was all belligerent like.

With a bit of luck all this will be over one way or another very soon. Personally I think these trade deal area bit like the car or more to the point the internal combustion engine, absolutely essential up until a now, but in the future a thing of the past. Modern technology will have renderd them obsolete

] it’s true I have to admit , you shouldn’t have told me about that lp

Lots of Plastic ones lfc

Level playing field for the industries the UK want access  -  very reasonable.

Access to fish commensurate with the market which vast majority of UK fish go - also reasonable

No border in Ireland - unfortunately border between GB and NI - as per 2 international agreements - bit tough, but also reasonable.


Good to go soon. - once Boris signs that off.


Dont expect any more ultimatums (beginning to look ridiculous) - think there may have been another one this week "talks are finished".  EU:  "whatever"

By the way Aka, I know all about the word Sassenach.  Dont thinks its derogatory at all - original meaning Saxons - they use the same term over in Ireland.

Saxons weren't really the problem - it was their conquerors the Normans that caused trouble wherever they went

Can tell the historical Saxons don't have much in common with the modern ones.

When working over there I asked them about it - they said "sassenach" (the Irish might spell it differently) was kind of a fun term for the English, "tan" was also a term for the English but it was derogatory.  "Brit" was just general, common usage as much as English is used.

I was very pleased to hear "Brit" does not generally refer to Scots.

Is Kraut considered offensive/ derogatory ?

Doubt it...... you'll have to come up with something else

What about Hun? 

The sad thing, well at least for you Wallflower , is that if you are Scottish your nationality is British.
Same for the English of course.

Good one, lp - closer but probably not derogatory enough for Burt's general purposes

Some ghoul wrote today that the English, if given the choice, would throw Scotland out of the Union in a hurry and with an overwhelming majority.

Is that true?

Not for long Aka

Well you might be right relatively speaking as in the big picture the ice-age is viewed as a short period in time.

Well you might be right relatively speaking as in the big picture the ice-age is viewed as a short period in time.

Oh Edy,ghoul or gowl, Cork colloquism at its very best,doubtya boy,chalk it down.

Little edy seems upset.

Blimey, where did you get that name for me from?

Edy knows the price of herring in the Baltic Sea, it's all so beautiful.

Jack Woltz:  Now you listen to me you smooth talking son of a bitch , let me lay it on the line for you and your boss I don’t care who he is
Johnny Fontaine will never get that movie !
I don’t care how many dago guinea **** greaseball goombahs come out of the woodwork ! 

Tom Hagan : I’m German - Irish

Jack Woltz : Well let me tell you something my kraut - mick friend , I’m gonna make so much trouble for you ,
you won’t know what hit you !

The Godfather

What was wrong with my sentence?

Little edy don't see it.

There's them little silly faces. They always come out when Burt is losing his marbles.

Little edy seems upset.

Maybe his report button is broken?

Aka, what was wrong with my sentence?

Not sure what you are talking about but if its less than 20 years hard labour its not long enough.

I'll just have to ask Foinavon. People like Burt and Crippen don't like grammar questions.

Foinavon (or anyone), what's wrong with "Blimey, where did you get that name for me from?" in regards to its grammar?

No going back to topic until someone helps me improve my English, sorry.

Daft count.

Who?

It's amazing Burt and I'd have to say, to their credit or is it discredit, they have refused to accept Brexit.
Hiroo Onoda would be so proud of them although unlike him I doubt this lot will ever be seen as heroes.

Burt,you are quoting The Express!,i knew it,i warned lfc about it and he had the good grace to acknowledge that it was messin with his head,you are on a slippery slope there,that is all i'm going to say.

edy21 Oct 20 23:43Joined: 13 Dec 06 | Topic/replies: 236,286 | Blogger: edy's blog
Foinavon (or anyone), what's wrong with "Blimey, where did you get that name for me from?" in regards to its grammar?

Nothing really although it is considered bad form in pedantic circles to end a sentence with a preposition even though everyone, apart from pedants, does it.
I would rearrange it as "Blimey, from where...

Thanks you, good Sir! Much appreciated.

Burt06 21 Oct 20 23:39 
Never mind your dumb ass sentence.

Back to topic kn0b heads.

Brexit talks to RESTART: Boris accepts EU capitulation after Barnier humiliating defeat

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1350633/Brexit-news-boris-johnson-michel-barnier-uk-eu-trade-deal-latest-david-frost-no-dea

Let's stick it up these bent wnkstains.

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Had to get some sleep - work, y'knw. early start this morning.

Would engage - but you're mistaken this thread is not a "topic" FFS  - its just an exercise in the usual delusional wishful thinking. Daily Express -get a life FFS.

By the way, you have a filty mouth on you - if it was funny or witty you could let it pass. Just sounds juvenile, angry and boring. But I suppose we'll have to put up with it, allow some slack given your lack of vocabulary.

By the way, you have a filty mouth on you - if it was funny or witty you could let it pass. Just sounds juvenile, angry and boring. But I suppose we'll have to put up with it, allow some slack given your lack of vocabulary. Happy

Closer to the mark than you imagine, Wallflower; Burt still lives with his Mum & Dad.

akabula21 Oct 20 23:33Joined: 13 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 40,160 | Blogger: akabula's blog
Little edy seems upset.

Maybe his report button is broken?

I don't think it's edy, he's not the type and he has far too much fun jousting with the good doctor. I suspect it's someone we don't see all that often now, thank goodness but who still has an active account.

The EU have played a blinder in this - they have given Johnson his PR win (badly needed with the Government in absolute turmoil.
Back to the table now for the real negotiating.

Meanwhile - Italy draws €90bn of orders in stellar week for eurozone debt market.
Country enjoys its second-lowest borrowing costs on record for a 30-year bond.

Eurozone success story Italy - The success of the EU bonds makes lower-rated credits in Europe look a little bit safer

If I recall correctly Burt did call correctly the Brexit referendum  and Trumps election win also
one of the few here who did .
That goes a long way when you see his critics yes

The apparent stumbling blocks are access to fish - johnson says no access and state aid rules in the trade agreement. Trashing the remains of British manufacturing for some channel fish is absurd and wto will hear disputes on state aid (or would if trump wasn't strangling it) - so that also has no credibility.

Tactical optics and substantive strategy. Johnson places great value on short term optics as reported by the Daily Express and the rest of the Brexit echo chamber media channels. The EU couldn't care less about the optics in the UK. It is focused on (very) long term goals and objectives. The optics will be forgotten very quickly.

What is secured in the FTA will last decades.

The U.K. can regain its fishing waters and also have a trade deal with the EU
It’s a decision for the EU to make of course ...

Johnson claims a great victory, often on a matter of process more than substance.
The EU lets them claim a great victory. Domestic supporters either pretend to believe or actually believe (it doesn't matter which) that their government has won a great victory.
And the deal the EU wants to do is done.

The EU has done this a lot, remember.
They are the world's most successful negotiatiors, ever, having patiently constructed the largest and deepest network of international trade arrangements in history.
You don't get to do that without picking up a few tricks along they way about how to bring home a negotiation successfully.

The apparent stumbling blocks are access to fish - johnson says no access and state aid rules in the trade agreement. Trashing the remains of British manufacturing for some channel fish is absurd

channel fish? Remoaners try to belittle everything apart from the star-spangled R-sole.

British waters include large areas of the North Sea, which are still important fishing grounds.

The heavily armed EU fleet will just take all the fish before they go into British waters.

Mexico has more trade agreements than any other country

And more free trade agreements than any other country

It’s a trading partner with more than 50 countries

14 FTAs

Oct 22, 2020 -- 11:30AM, Foinavon wrote:

The apparent stumbling blocks are access to fish - johnson says no access and state aid rules in the trade agreement. Trashing the remains of British manufacturing for some channel fish is absurdchannel fish? Remoaners try to belittle everything apart from the star-spangled R-sole.British waters include large areas of the North Sea, which are still important fishing grounds.

The stumbling block is Macron's insistence his coastal fishermen get access to the channel - he isn't bothered that much about the rest of our seas.

One good thing about Burt dredging up all these ancient threads is to see all the posts claiming the demise of the EU was imminent in 2016.
Makes me chortle.

Ireland faces economic oblivion : bank chief admits hard Brexit will DEVASTATE the country - governor of the Central Bank of Ireland warned


serves them right .

Express - no doubt. Dear, oh dear.  Might stand corrected.


Goal  Celtic

I do notice when you don't reference - its usually that Express rag. Probably for the best.

If fish are of little importance as some like to claim, why is the EU and especially France making such a fuss about it? They are our territorial waters and we have every right to take back control of fishing there.

......  but, but, but

Its of bigger importance to EU than UK.  UK waters were extended through EU treaty - will Johnson / Cummmins want to revoke that? EU would be entitled to, but haven't said they would.... yet.

The vast majority of UK fish exported to EU, the industry will collapse without free access to EU market - they are only looking for a compromise here. Its us who have made a "big deal" out of it  -  "our water, our fish etc blah, blah, blah  -  but we want free access to EU market". 

What should we give to get access to their market?  Nothing !!  Serious question.

or, do you think our fish, our waters and we'll eat all the fish ourselves?

Do you think they won't want to buy the fish? They have to get it from somewhere as their markets want it. Fish is sold around the world.
I think we should reduce the take and let stocks recover but who knows what will be decided although I'm sure some access will be negotiated.

We are super close to being able to generate fish meat in a laboratory. I saw it at the Chaos Communication Congress a few years ago. Ok, that was about beef, but how much more difficult can fish be?

Common fisheries policy agreed by EU and Norway, Iceland (I think) has been very successful in sustainable fishing through agreed quotas. 

I'm sure access will be agreed, but deep down I think Johnson/Gove/Cummins et al don't really care as long as they can spin any agreement. But their posturing has actually put them unnecessarily in a difficult position whereby any reasonable access for the Eu in UK waters will be seen (incorrectly) as a climbdown.

And once we have our mercury free in-vitro fish, you Brits will cry bitter tears for having destroyed your far more important industries just so that the Tories can gift yet more quota to their cronies.

it is an area where we have a bit of leverage and they will be required to give up some catch so arent happy. internal politics for macron probably mean he needs to appear tough.

'thanks' to the cfp we have over a thousand laws on fishing.  if there is no agreement then our fish cant be landed in the eu. there is also a un agreement, the un convention on the law of the sea (unclos) which deals with the fact that fish migrate (sometimes they may be in our waters but at other times they cheat on us and swim in foreign waters) to be considered. further, there is the concept of acquired rights whereby they could carry on fishing even after the treaty no longer applies to us, the legal experts cant agree if this would apply or not so court cases would be likely.

fishing is extremely complicated.

The life cycle of eel is extremely fascinating.

Very little optics and grand standing from the EU.
The just get on and do deals

The EU has agreed to end tariffs on U.S. frozen and live lobster for the next five years, with the aim to make this change permanent.
In return, the U.S. will slash by 50% duties on certain EU goods, including crystal glassware and prepared meals.
This has opened the door to further trade agreements between both sides.
Just get it done! - Yes they do!

So there are tariffs between the US and the EU , good to know .

Lfc 8.24 "Ireland will face ecomomic devastation,serves them right"

lol

Barnier, hope he remembers to pack some knee pads, can get painful after a few hours.

Blimey, what do you get up to for you to know about that?

Heart to God!

Potless

3 cheers for the biscuit:
Hip Hip Hiroo
Hip Hip Hiroo
Hip Hip Hiroo

apparently boris is playing for time in the hope that trump will win. That doesn't sound like someone in a desperate corner at all.

Does he not know that the EU knows that Trump will look forward to fleecing the UK much harder than anyone else on the planet?