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meals and non-alcoholic drinks inside pubs elsewhere until 10pm. What a mess.
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no charlie mate,sadly i am only trying to highlight that there are very many killers out there at the minute far far worse than this covid.was it 24th on the list at the minute? it saddens me that everything is being forgotten about and put on a back burner because of it.treat it for what it is.
19
Are you really saying you don't care about starving people? And you wouldn't increase foreign aid?
Are you really saying you don't care about starving people? And you wouldn't increase foreign aid?
sorry charlie i cant see where i said that.i highlighted the amount dying so i would gather from that i do care.
The suggestion that foreign aid prevents starvation is laughable.
Ok, that's good. How would you like to go about reducing that figure?
That was directed at 19 but is equally applicable to Cider.
Empowering women, including the availability of birth control is actually a good suggestion but isn’t going to work for a while.
The extreme population growth in Africa is driven by East Africa, Middle Africa and West Africa, which regions are projected to more than quintuple their populations over the 21st century. The most extreme of these is Middle Africa, with an estimated population increase by 680%, from less than 100 million in 2000 to more than 750 million in 2100 (more than half of this figure is driven by the Democratic Republic of the Congo, projected to increase from 47 million in 2000 to 379 million in 2100). Projected population growth is less extreme in Southern Africa and North Africa, which are expected, respectively, to not quite double and triple their populations over the same period.
No amount of foreign aid is going to keep pace with that demand, even if the funds meant food went into the mouths of starving kids, which of course it doesn't.
Isn't viability, and therefore fecundity, dependent on being fed enough? (I may have used those terms incorrectly - it's been a while). The less offspring that people have that survive the more offspring they have.
Medical progress has made its way to Africa, not on the same level of the west obviously but it's meant infant mortality has reduced whilst fertility rates have not dropped.
Not sure if that answers my post or not.
If you want to propagate then you need to have children that survive. The more children that don't survive through starvation the higher the starvation rate and the higher the birth rate needed. What comes first reducing starvation or reducing birth rate?
If you want to propagate then you need to have children that survive. The more children that don't survive through starvation the higher the starvation rate and the higher the birth rate needed. What comes first reducing starvation or reducing birth rate?
You'd have to have a multi faceted approach, what China did was extreme but this requires extreme measures.
Not what I meant. This part but this requires extreme measures.
Sort of going around in circles. So you say that birth control is the answer to population growth in Africa. Do you also recognize that the more people have where the infant mortality rate is high, and more children die of starvation are more likely to have more children?
Or do you think that if more infants lived to a full age that there would be less need to have more children?
If there's less people obviously there's less people to feed. They might have eight kids and five survive to adulthood and have eight kids of their own. Clearly there's a point where there are not enough natural resources to feed everyone and the weaker perish. They need to reduce the number of people to feed so more of the people born don't die of starvation.
SontaranStratagem • October 7, 2020 4:12 PM BST
Alcohol is going to be banned in the brave new world
Excellent!
Alcohol is going to be banned in the brave new world
Excellent!
I am trying to be clear in what I say and not resorting to If there's less people obviously there's less people to feed.
Throughout the animal world 'parents' have more kids than needed if they were all to survive. But they don't all survive. That is the point. Increase the number of kids that do survive will actually reduce the population because there will be no need to have so many children.
Throughout the animal world 'parents' have more kids than needed if they were all to survive. But they don't all survive. That is the point. Increase the number of kids that do survive will actually reduce the population because there will be no need to have so many children.
Oct 7, 2020 -- 6:03PM, edy wrote:
SontaranStratagem • October 7, 2020 4:12 PM BSTAlcohol is going to be banned in the brave new worldExcellent!
They're banning it in public spaces in cities and yet people still call you nuts when point out actual facts now 
Either s*** or get of the pot springs to mind here
Charlie, trying to explain stuff is a tough ask on here.
Good on you for your patience
Dunno what Johnson is trying to do,
But maybe he's an out of sight out of mind type of guy.
Good on you for your patience
Dunno what Johnson is trying to do,
But maybe he's an out of sight out of mind type of guy.
yhtl
Thank you. Johnson appears to live on a different plant to us. His vision of a fit, slim population is crazy. Unless he closes down the chippies, pizza places, chicken places, curry houses, burger bars, etc, etc. Sunak will tell us to go and have two of them. Tories have lost the plot.
Thank you. Johnson appears to live on a different plant to us. His vision of a fit, slim population is crazy. Unless he closes down the chippies, pizza places, chicken places, curry houses, burger bars, etc, etc. Sunak will tell us to go and have two of them. Tories have lost the plot.
Thatcher only stole the milk - Johnson has stolen the Thatchers 
Shows how brainwashed half of my fellow Scot's are now.
SNP ban their bevy and they claylike seals for Nicollaaaaa.
We're all just paying the price because she won't sack her husband.
SNP ban their bevy and they claylike seals for Nicollaaaaa.
We're all just paying the price because she won't sack her husband.
A word of caution to our Scottish friends, if you elect a nationalist party such as the SNP into power , when and if they achieve independence then true attention will turn to banning many freedoms ...alcohol , gambling , singing ..deep fried mars bars
The list is many and varied
That is the lesson that history teaches us
The list is many and varied
That is the lesson that history teaches us
Theres a book burning party on the steps of Bute House this Saturday at 6 pm to coincide with the pubs new closing times.
Jackboot Sturgeon cracks the whip.
She'll be turning out in a uniform next in the military dictatorship of Scotland.
She'll be turning out in a uniform next in the military dictatorship of Scotland.
All non SNP believers to be rounded up and placed in a big pen near Stirling
All thats missing is the wee moustache.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1254141253903683584
https://twitter.com/i/status/1254141253903683584
They've even named a golf stroke after her, The Sturgeon.
It's a nasty wee five footer on the greens.
It's a nasty wee five footer on the greens.
Not for much longer. It's obvious people getting tired of the restrictions (not just in Scotland btw) and more and more will rebel the more excessive ones.
Oct 7, 2020 -- 6:05PM, Charlie wrote:
I am trying to be clear in what I say and not resorting to If there's less people obviously there's less people to feed.Throughout the animal world 'parents' have more kids than needed if they were all to survive. But they don't all survive. That is the point. Increase the number of kids that do survive will actually reduce the population because there will be no need to have so many children.
That's not too difficult, but what you're deliberately or ignorantly failing to grasp is that if 'too many' kids survive then what you get is exponential population growth. This is actually happening now, it's not a forecast. You might get a lower percentage of children not making adulthood, but if the population is rapidly increasing the actual numbers dying early in life is going up. Which is inevitable if there are not enough natural resources to sustain everyone and/or severe natural events like droughts leading to famine.
This is way OT so this will be my last response regarding reducing deaths due to starvation.
I don't get it. If it's OK to serve non-alcoholic drinks what's wrong with serving alcoholic ones? Did the wee scorpion explain?
She is just testing the water to see how far she can push people. Her next step will be interesting but its clear now that this isnt all about covid.
Interesting times, will they be rioting this weekend?
Nae chance,surely her compassion for her people is a shining example of what the rest of the UK should be doing?
I think its more that growing numbers have lost interest in following rules that make no sense and they are realising the threat to them isnt quite what they believed in March. Id say by the New year if theres no vaccine and no end date nothing will be enforceable.
Some might see it the same way as you Lp but I doubt it will be universal.
nobody mentioning the growing loss of peoples jobs.ths will devastate ultimately millions of households. the iam alright jack culture just grows stronger.
So... Our pubs and restaurants are closing from Monday then
Yeah, good luck with these fruit cakes
Yeah, good luck with these fruit cakes
is sat 17th oct covered ? celtic v rangers . sky in homes , massive parties , just thinking ......
lapsy does her compassion extend to those people whose livelyhoods she is wrecking.
Over reaction to covid is wrecking things. Most people would carry on drinking in pubs given the chance.
Most countries in Europe have put heavy restrictions on pubs,it isn't because they want to but think they have to.
Im not sure just because someone else does something that means its good to do. I was brought up not to just follow the crowd.
I think this has become far too simplistic just worrying about the level of covid deaths and ignoring the other deaths/misery/economic ruin it causes in the medium term. Theres no good solution but the lack of proper debate about options is wrong.
I think this has become far too simplistic just worrying about the level of covid deaths and ignoring the other deaths/misery/economic ruin it causes in the medium term. Theres no good solution but the lack of proper debate about options is wrong.
The priorities as i said earlier seem to be schooling and essential services,the start of things getting bad in Scotland came in part by over a hundred cases from 1 pub(?) about 6 weeks ago(?)
I understand that Dotchinite, if i was arguing your point i would say youngfellas will go to the offie,get slabs and met up,which is what is happening too,no easy solution but indoors in a closed enviroment drinking isn't wise imo and i know some publicans doing their best with rules but..
Oh yes their priorities sound the same as Johnsons. That doesnt make them sensible though. I dont doubt the figures but equally I dont agree that shutting them down is the logical response. Theres a study out tonight for a start that suggests herd immunity could save more lives than lockdown.
Don't follow the crowd to the pub.
There may be no herd immunity, it may not save more lives even if it can be reached.
Infecting more people increases chance of catching an even nastier mutation
We don't know if this virus has a legacy
There may be no herd immunity, it may not save more lives even if it can be reached.
Infecting more people increases chance of catching an even nastier mutation
We don't know if this virus has a legacy
Maybe,but the cost of that(herd immunity) is there obviously, the Irish health service were practically begging people to cut contacts,they were doing that from worry(imo), but i get that, that also ties in with pubs.
And by they I'm referring to your masters.
The problem with restrictions/lockdown is the timing of a vaccine as they are all time limited measures. If theres no vaccine in a year we will have to be back to normal anyway. The more certain a vaccine is the more logical short term restrictions are.
Ive said they should be upfront about that and then in the short term people are more likely to comply.
Ive said they should be upfront about that and then in the short term people are more likely to comply.
They simply don't know if a vaccine is safe,and how long it might offer immunity for, maybe second shot gives boost.
Then there's the nutters who won't take vaccine
Vaccines should become clearer by end of year, duration of immunity would be discovered later.
Then there's the nutters who won't take vaccine
Vaccines should become clearer by end of year, duration of immunity would be discovered later.
Anti viral drug development as with hiv is important too
Still no aids vaccine
Still no aids vaccine
yhtl. Answer me one question. Without a vaccine how long is it feasible to keep any restrictions going.
Wont cases keep coming back when restrictions are low? Isnt that the flaw in lockdowns.
I don't know how long people will tolerate restrictions.
It's a worry for governments who need to control the virus
Test and trace would help too, with targeted lockdowns of close contacts.
Folk are still learning.
I think shorter sharper lockdowns in good time would have been better but we missed that boat.
Treat this as good learning for when something even more serious turns up
It's a worry for governments who need to control the virus
Test and trace would help too, with targeted lockdowns of close contacts.
Folk are still learning.
I think shorter sharper lockdowns in good time would have been better but we missed that boat.
Treat this as good learning for when something even more serious turns up
meals and non-alcoholic drinks inside pubs elsewhere until 10pm. What a mess.
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THAT MAKE , IS SHE A MEMBER OF THE PIONEERS
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THAT MAKE , IS SHE A MEMBER OF THE PIONEERS
SS, are they? pubs have been the easy target.i was in one on tuesday teatime.3 in.hard a hotbed for this deadly virus.yet owner tarred with same brush as big city bar owners.
i got villifed on here for daring to question if the lockdowns,masks etc are working.now seems more and more folk doing it.however with the nasty culture out there now you have to toe the line or be bullying int submission.sad times.
More and more people not wearing masks, not adhering to lockdown guidelines has led to the upsurge in cases.
No politician, not sturgeon or anyone else , are introducing these measures because they want to do so
I agree with Lfc,Brussels closing them this morning after describing them as "contamination hotspots".
I did hear those other issues on the news ftp
the press will continue to cover that
the press will continue to cover that
I believe the steps she is taking are based on the situation regarding covid
and nothing else
and nothing else
This is the biggest issue now for any government and any politician
Bigger than the US president. , bigger than the Tory government, bigger than Scottish independence
These things can all be returned to .. but how big the shadow
Bigger than the US president. , bigger than the Tory government, bigger than Scottish independence
These things can all be returned to .. but how big the shadow
Even Brexit could be postponed , i don’t mind , if we get a solution and a cure
Ah not postponing brexit lfc,Boris was adam ant when he gave the EU the ultimatum of the 15th of Oct.
A new royal family, a wild nobility...
I recon half wear them due to being bullied, 25% to make themselves look righteous to others and 25% because they are genuinely scared.
I dont wear one for any of those reasons i dont think. I wear one as a courtesy to others as long as it isnt inconvenient for me. Most of the time it isnt.
I dont wear one for any of those reasons i dont think. I wear one as a courtesy to others as long as it isnt inconvenient for me. Most of the time it isnt.
As opposed to a whack job follower bullied into not wearing one incase his nutter mates laugh.
Ive been to the shops having forgot it before and it didnt bother me. Shop didnt even ask. Im not bothered by anyone else not wearing them so i dont really feel bullied. There are bullies of course but **** them
It's a two week closure to wrestle back control so folk have confidence to return
I wear my visor which is much more comfortable and means I avoid any aggravation. Anything for an easy life.
You do mean like a medical visor and not a golf visor right?
I mean golf visors are incredibly fashionable but dont do much for covid
I mean golf visors are incredibly fashionable but dont do much for covid
This guy gets it
https://twitter.com/i/status/1313604837913829376
https://twitter.com/i/status/1313604837913829376
BBC saying 30% of cases are coming from "hospitality", if that is indeed the case Nicola is right as i said,the other option is leave them open and have 30% more cases
Good morning 19,a professor said it so i presume it is a guessimation,it does seem very plausible.
I think you have a point with that,people after a few in pubs certainly,you see noses and people putting their hand on the mouth part of the mask a lot.
I think you have a point with that,people after a few in pubs certainly,you see noses and people putting their hand on the mouth part of the mask a lot.
Most people wear them responsibly though,they just use the loops and put it in a plastic bag after use,in theory if used properly they should undoubtably help in lowering people catching it.
You aren't wrong in that there is quite a fair few people who are clueless with them.
I won't be surprised if the issue of what you are saying comes to light shortly.
You aren't wrong in that there is quite a fair few people who are clueless with them.
I won't be surprised if the issue of what you are saying comes to light shortly.
I have seen a few people with disposable masks,and they are "walking" ie getting fierce milage out of them dispite not being their purpose.
That hospitality slide does throw up a few questions. Note: Questions are not misinformation
Is it a big enough sample size, is 50% under 30s representative, why would the risk of catching it at home be so small compared with hospitality?
Is it a big enough sample size, is 50% under 30s representative, why would the risk of catching it at home be so small compared with hospitality?
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