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How demeaning fs, ^^^, having to shred all dignity, swallow all honour, discard all shame in maintainance of the party line!
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That would appear to be what you do bucktooth.
Al the terrible lies Trump tells, his boasts of using his fame and power to abuse women, his odious racism and utter incompetence and yet you feel obliged to defend him. Why are you such a passionate defender of the biggest bozo in the Northern hemisphere? You are not a Putin plant are you? |
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Putin throws Trump under the bus.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-putin-idUSKBN27A0TA |
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I mean, I believe that there was a laptop. Is that where we’ve got confused?
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Aaah, there it is, the first wriggle!
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Ah Tim, have you bailed out of your Trump bets or are you going to let them ride?
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FBI had laptop since Jan apparently, maybe tracing everything through Russia and Ukraine ain't as easy as some stooge in Delaware.
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Btw, if you had a bigly, bigly, shiny, brand new, better and cheaper Healthcare Plan; maybe you'd roll it out to help secure Election victory?
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And again from the Washington Post
It may be that more and more journalists are deciding that forthrightly reckoning with all the lies is a risk they have to take. In short, all of Trump’s relentless lying is, at least to some degree, slowly nudging the press into a more illuminating posture. None of this necessarily means Trump will lose reelection. He could go on to win, especially via cheating. But it’s hard to see how all the lying and zone-flooding is helping him at this point. And if he loses, we might look back and conclude that the real story all along was that he drowned himself in it. |
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In the world view of bigots, only one side lies.
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Everyone lies FS that's my point, the propagandists of the WP are no different.
I have inadvertently offered a benchmark against which everyone can examine their thoughts and opinions. |
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trumps lies, however, are dictators lies. He uses them to bully subordinates, who know what he is saying is untrue and have to degrade themselves to explain his words. He then sometimes undermines them. eg the bleach incident where they tried to explain his comments as being serious but misunderstood and then he screamed that he wasn't serious at all and being sarcastic. He is an utterly disgusting human being.
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I agree that a politician who never lies is rare.
However Trump really is different gravy. I don’t think Wikipedia has ever had a special page about a politician’s lies before but Trump is clearly a record breaker. So from Wikipedia: Fact-checkers from The Washington Post[1] (top, monthly) and from the Toronto Star[2] and CNN[3] (bottom, weekly) compiled data on "false or misleading claims," and "false claims," respectively. The peaks in late 2018 correspond to the midterm elections, in late 2019 to his impeachment inquiry, and in late 2020 to the presidential election. Donald Trump has made many false or misleading statements, including thousands during his presidency.[4] Commentators and fact-checkers have described this as "unprecedented" in American politics,[5][6][7][8] and the consistency of these falsehoods has become a distinctive part of both his business and political identity.[9] Trump is known to have made controversial statements and subsequently denied having done so,[10][11] and by June 2019, many news organizations had started describing some of his falsehoods as lies.[12] The Washington Post said his frequent repetition of false claims amounts to a campaign based on disinformation.[13] According to writer and journalist Nancy LeTourneau, the debasing of veracity is a tactic.[14] By August 27, 2020, The Washington Post's Fact Checker database had counted 22,247 false or misleading statements.[1] 22,247 lies. That is virtually a whopper every time he cracks open his orange cake hole and spouts bilge. |
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Do you believe that what you read in Wikipedia is neutral? or the other media outlets you quoted? I don't doubt that Trump has told plenty of whoppers, all politicians do, it goes with the territory.
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Nice bit of sculpture.
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most of the world's most vile dictators have used lies like trump.
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Have you read what Trump said and the context in which it was said rather than just watch an edited clip. Read it and make up your own mind.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/apr/24/context-what-donald-trump-said-about-disinfectant-/ |
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Depends on the context, slogger. Many things are factual, particularly scientific subjects but when it comes to more nuanced subjects where opinions may differ, then I'm not so convinced as you are relying on the personal integrity of contributors and editorial staff.
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Foinavon, that you can't grasp the egregious ignorance and vanity of the man doesn't say much for your judgement. trump seriously thought that he had found an avenue of research that the millions of more qualified scientists hadn't considered.
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Almost everyone that has worked in his cabinet has indicated that he represents a desperate danger to his country.
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Yes, I put up the article for Dave too. As for Wiki, I too have a scientific background and some specialisations so can check what is written in certain areas and am generally satisfied with them. I have read however of people being dissatisfied with some biographical data about themselves and having to keep correcting it as even their personal input is overwritten. Politics is also subject to journalistic bias and flavour of the month as we see in certain aspects of history these days. It's important to try and keep an open mind.
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I am aware of his failings and his vanities Dave although I realise that in not fully agreeing with your views of him you believe I'm an apologist for him. I assure you that I'm not.
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I have read however of people being dissatisfied with some biographical data about themselves and having to keep correcting it as even their personal input is overwritten.
Yeah, I've also read about famous people trying to oppress information on their own wikipedia pages, or them adding false information to make themselves look better. |
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Meanwhile, Nasa has just announced that there is definitely water on the moon.
No doubt we'll be hearing that it was Trump who put it there  |
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Boom! Four more years!
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I agree there's more than one way of looking at it edy. How would you decide which interpretation is true if either? Which individual is likely to be truthful and which is not?
Oh what a tangled web. |
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"We're going to bring the water from the moon and use it in our vaccine, it will be beautiful"
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I believe defamatory information about a person will only be allowed to persist on wikipedia if it's adequately sourced from a reputable source.
They ain't just letting anyone write on Rafael Nadal's wiki that he drains the blood of lil baby kittens and drinks it to stay young and healthy, improving his longevity at the top of the sport. Rafa won't have to keep correcting that himself over and over again. |
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Disclaimer: I do not have a reason to believe that Rafael Nadal does indeed drink the blood of baby kittens.
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and that the reputable source puts up total bogus information and that it then finds its way onto wikipedia as undeniable fact is more a theoretical chance than anything else imo.
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What have you got against baby kittens edy?
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Oh nothing. The very rare moments in my life that I don't spend on this forum, I spend on YouTube watching videos of baby kittens.
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