Oct 5, 2020 -- 3:18PM, Racingqueen wrote:

This is an open question...Give the worse act Trump has done during his time as president? The single worst action he is responsible for?

Tough choice but probably describing white supremacists and white armed militia as good people.

Oct 5, 2020 -- 4:28PM, Racingqueen wrote:

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

Turns out PP probably meant a different far right group Trump seemed keen on.

The thing is, that while Trump’s arguments are superficially okay, the groups that were there in Charlottesville “protecting the monument” were all far right groups. You don’t really get very many people coming out to protect statues of confederate generals who aren’t far right.

Oct 5, 2020 -- 5:12PM, jollyswagman wrote:

fs, what does all these different drugs being administered to trump say to you?

Hard to say for sure. Mostly I suspect that they feel they ought to do things and these are things, so they will do them. The evidence for the polyclonal antibodies is pretty sketchy, although does suggest some possible benefit. Remdesivir is similar, with some trials (especially those run by the drug company) quite positive, others equivocal at best. My interpretation of the steroid trials is that dexamethasone treatment was only indicated if they’ve been lying to us about how unwell he is, which seems unlikely given that he was well enough to have a drive round off oxygen trying hard to give Covid to the secret service agents. If anything, I suspect steroids were more likely to harm him than help, but the evidence is hard to parse for somewhat but not very unwell people. They’re very good for critically unwell, probably somewhat good for moderately unwell.

I’ve got quite a lot to say about psychological and financial incentives to give treatment without proven benefits, if you want to get me started. These often apply even if the patient isn’t the US President. If there’s one thing about the NHS I’d hold up as an exemplar of high quality care (and I’m very pro the NHS in all sorts of respects, despite its flaws), it’s the removal of a whole raft of these perverse incentives and a genuine attempt to use evidence to guide rational decision making. NICE is an internationally envied institution.

Oct 5, 2020 -- 8:01PM, edy wrote:

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump · 21 Min.I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!oh for fook's sake, Donald. It was the UK, the ever glorious UK, that led the research on the potential usefulness of dexamethasone that saved your life. Give some credit to the special friendship country!

Unlike you to be quite so pro the U.K., edy. It is one of our virus successes though.

Also, as mentioned, probably the dex hasn’t helped him at all.

Oct 5, 2020 -- 8:14PM, Racingqueen wrote:

That`s the worst thing he`s done, despite his not having actually done it? How does that work, please?Spot on timbuctooth. When you think of past US presidents and what they did......Clinton executing Ricky Ray Rector to get more votes, Nixon committing war crimes with his stooge Kissinger, Bush lying about WMDs and killing thousands of innocents, Obama/Hillary taking a big dump on Syria/Lybia etc....And the worst PP can come up with is some name calling that in reality never happened

Trump calls protesters who carried guns into the Michigan Capitol 'very good people' and says the governor should 'make a deal' with them

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-protestors-with-guns-in-michigan-capitol-are-very-good-people-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

Racing Queen, perhaps you missed this up thread? Seems clear enough to me.