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melv
28 Feb 20 09:53
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And still most people think that capitalism is the only economic system possible. Look how fickle and weak it is. Of course the scare could be justified. But ATM it is just a scare.

Something really scary almost certainly will happen viruses are super powered evolvers and evolution is fundamental to life. Something far worse than this is inevitable.

Therefore we need a unified world with the finest health and education for all, every single person on the planet.

Then even the bigots will have to shut their fat mouths because there will be no-one desperate to migrate to a safer place.

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By:
InsiderTrader
When: 28 Feb 20 10:58
Socialism in China aint working too well.
By:
Foinavon
When: 28 Feb 20 12:46
But...but... we are already living in a socialist paradise. Judges deciding whether or not we can have a new runway, the SNP even deciding that Scottish women will have free sanitary products. Can I have free loo rolls please? I do need them every day not just for one week out of four.
There used to be propaganda from an era when National Socialism was said by some to be the answer to everything and GB was said to be a capitalist-Jewish run system. Hmm, perhaps International Socialism is better, some say it is. Some of us look on in amazement.
By:
melv
When: 28 Feb 20 17:14
Some of us look on in amazement.

It will be more intense than amazement if a truly dangerous highly contagious virus emerges.

I see no reason to be confident that this will not happen.

We need world class health and education for the entire world. Bar no-one.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 28 Feb 20 17:35
What percentage of global GDP would you want to go into health care and education?

What do you expect billions of highly educated people to do?
By:
melv
When: 28 Feb 20 17:45
What do you expect billions of highly educated people to do?

I am not that highly educated. Yet being retired means I do not need to work and I am never bored.

"ARBEIT MACHT FREI" is what they put at the entrance to concertation camps.

Highly educated people do not have to numb there brains with mindless labour. Highly educated people are also highly creative they don't need bosses to tell them what to do or what to think.
By:
melv
When: 28 Feb 20 17:49
What percentage of global GDP would you want to go into health care and education? Most of global GDP will be produced by machines which will be the property of all. Commomwealth. Monopolies and rentierism will be outlawed.
By:
Foinavon
When: 28 Feb 20 18:03
A wonderful dream, melv, you could have written songs for John Lennon. Mind you, even Stalin's gulags had a sick bay.
You are right, viruses and epidemics are entirely the fault of Capitalism and I blame Boris for the cases we have in Wales. Disgraceful.
By:
melv
When: 28 Feb 20 18:56
I never said that viruses where the fault of Capital Foin. What's the matter with you. Got a cold?


Now this is a virus. If you honestly believe that it can't happen anytime- good luck with that bet.

The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans.

And that was before globalism; before a  world full of Chinese tourists.
By:
Foinavon
When: 28 Feb 20 19:08
True, I know it can and will happen. What worries me is when the greenies rip out my central heating to save the planet, that will be the death of me as even the common cold can turn into pneumonia if you don't keep warm.
By:
melv
When: 28 Feb 20 19:36
Actually if you lie in bed  and don't move around with the common cold it can turn into pneumonia; it does matter if you are warm. Tt often did back in the day when the elderly took to bed. That's why pneumonia used to be known as "the old mans friend."
By:
thegiggilo
When: 29 Feb 20 00:46
https://twitter.com/poplare14/status/1233526694666960897
By:
melv
When: 29 Feb 20 04:24
28 Feb 20 19:36

Actually if you lie in bed  and don't move around with the common cold it can turn into pneumonia; it doesn't matter if you are warm. If you have a cold or virus move around and drink plenty of water.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 29 Feb 20 10:51
melv
28 Feb 20 17:49
Joined: 19 Feb 06
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What percentage of global GDP would you want to go into health care and education? Most of global GDP will be produced by machines which will be the property of all. Commomwealth. Monopolies and rentierism will be outlawed.

^

Who is going to design, build and code up these machines that everyone will own?

Where is the incentive for people like the guys from Deepmind to work 100 hour weeks designing new breakthrough algorithms if the guy that sits there having a beer in front of the football will get the exact same rewards?
By:
melv
When: 29 Feb 20 11:34
What incentive was there for Linus Torvalds to create Linux. Eh? Eh?


Not everyone is only motivated by greed. In fact IMO the most creative people  are not motivated by greed at all. As far as I'm concerned anyone who won't use their God given talents unless the are rewarded by being given a vast amounts of the worlds resources( which in the first place belong to the common wealth and are actually stolen by the rich)  to the exclusion of every-one else; deserves to die of boredom.
By:
melv
When: 29 Feb 20 11:56
For the past decade, financial markets have been conditioned to pile in every time share prices fall for fear that they are missing out on a buying opportunity. Sooner or later, that optimistic view of the world is going to be proved wrong.
Mohamed El-Erian, the chief economic adviser to the insurance company Allianz, thinks that moment may have arrived. He says the economic damage caused by coronavirus will play out over time.

A black swan event has a number of characteristics. It has to come as a complete surprise. It has to have profound consequences. And, once the dust has settled, people who never saw the crisis coming say that it was glaringly obvious that there was trouble ahead.

The coronavirus outbreak would seem to tick all three boxes.
By:
1st time poster
When: 29 Feb 20 12:22
how does  the rest of the world enabling a secretive state run country become the engine,workshop of the world go down as ,NOT SEEING IT COMING, IF CHINA,S place in the world today was the same 20/30 years ago this could have happended after swine flu,bird flu,sars,etc etc, even stevie wonder could have seen such a scenario coming some day,
3 years of trump sabre rattling with china and a flu bug could derail his re election
By:
1st time poster
When: 29 Feb 20 12:33
its only the greedy west in pursuing money at all costs and condoning,ignoring human right,s abuses in china,saudi etc ,that stops this happening every day
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 Feb 20 12:40
Capitalism, socialism whatever, we seem lost as to what happiness is. Too many on the hamster wheel.

People seem to think automation, gadgets and computers will provide happiness, they won’t.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 29 Feb 20 12:41
What happens to gambling in this new world Melv?

Studying form for hours and working out new angles to beat the lazier punter is no longer an option?
By:
melv
When: 29 Feb 20 13:37
What happens to gambling in this new world Melv?

I very much doubt that my descendants will fail to inherit my predilection for prognosticating about this that and t'other for my own amusement and for a little harmless combat with my peers.
By:
moisok
When: 29 Feb 20 14:00
anyone know where the money comes from to pay all the welfare payouts, millions of civil servants, NHS and zillions of projects?
By:
melv
When: 29 Feb 20 15:38
anyone know where the money comes from to pay all the welfare payouts, millions of civil servants, NHS and zillions of projects?

Anyone know where the money comes from to pay for  all the trillions in the pockets of the Billionaires.

Yep. US. We the people.
By:
moisok
When: 29 Feb 20 15:53
us socialists have always struggled with this aspect - the main aspect really - we hate capitalism but love its rewards

plus all the money that comes in taxes to pay for welfare, civil service, NHS  and masses of money that goes to support infrastructure

where would the money come from if we didn't have capitalism

and where in the world do we have examples of an alternative way without the nasty capitalists

anyone know of an alternative  -  we have come to far to all go back on the land etc in one of these fantasy lifestyles like xr and greta want - 70 million subsistence farmers!!  - mind you France has had a go at it with their CAP supported smallholdings etc

the trouble is that idealogues grab the headlines and try to thrust their ideas upon us

you know - with a fixed aim with their agenda and narrative which must not be challenged

ho ho ho   don't I drivel on - just typing out loud so to speak as I think of all the crazies out

there telling us what is correct or woke ho ho
By:
melv
When: 29 Feb 20 16:21
anyone know where the money comes from to pay all the welfare payouts, millions of civil servants, NHS and zillions of projects?

Anyone know where the money comes from to pay for  all the trillions in the pockets of the Billionaires.

Yep. US. We the people.

RE-tweeting so I don't get drowned out by your drivel Moisk.
By:
moisok
When: 29 Feb 20 16:28
ha ha   retweeting drivel after all the one eyed one sided bent propaganda you chuck out melv  ha ahahah

where will the money come from then??
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 29 Feb 20 16:37
Melv,

Would you prefer to live in China or the UK?
By:
moisok
When: 29 Feb 20 17:07
of course he would prefer china but hate the billionaires there
By:
melv
When: 29 Feb 20 17:45
Very few people can choose which country they live in. So its a daft question. I await the old chestnut; if you're a socialist go and live in Russia. Its not just daft its nastiness from people who fantasise about living in a country full of clones of themselves.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 29 Feb 20 18:00
melv
29 Feb 20 17:45
Joined: 19 Feb 06
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Very few people can choose which country they live in

^

Hundreds of millions of people choose what country to live in.

If you really wanted to live in China get the qualifications and get a job or invest there. Totally possible.
By:
moisok
When: 29 Feb 20 18:22
so  when we get rid of capitalism  where does the money come from?
By:
moisok
When: 29 Feb 20 18:22
do we have any examples of countries that have ditched the evil system?
By:
peckerdunne
When: 29 Feb 20 18:35
money for what
By:
moisok
When: 29 Feb 20 18:37
read my previous posts
By:
moisok
When: 29 Feb 20 18:37
who is going to pay for all the diversity officers
By:
peckerdunne
When: 29 Feb 20 19:07
still have not answered
By:
moisok
When: 29 Feb 20 19:08
schools?
By:
peckerdunne
When: 29 Feb 20 19:09
'pay' what do you mean,no need for it tb just about money

thats just a big white lie
By:
moisok
When: 29 Feb 20 19:09
bin men?
By:
peckerdunne
When: 29 Feb 20 19:10
bin men will work in return for accom by gov
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